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Tallgeese
May 11, 2008

MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR


I seem to recall a video that fracking was advertised to Obama as being this ultra safe thing when it wasn't.

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VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Tallgeese posted:

I seem to recall a video that fracking was advertised to Obama as being this ultra safe thing when it wasn't.

quote:

Three Enbridge lobbyists contributed to Clinton’s campaign. While she was Secretary of State, Clinton signed off on the Enbridge pipeline (the alternative to the Keystone XL pipeline).

Ben Klein (Heather Podesta and Associates) lobbied on behalf of Oxbow Carbon on petcoke and other issues. Petcoke is a byproduct of refining. Communities in Detroit and Chicago have complained about piles of petcoke blowing into the community. Bill Koch (the estranged brother of Charles and David) owns controlling interest of Oxbow. Klein also lobbied on restrictions of ivory imports for Oxbow.

Fracking company and gas industry trade association lobbyists have also contributed to Clinton’s campaign, including Former Rep. Martin Frost (D-TX), who lobbied for the Domestic Energy Producers Alliance, and Martin Durbin of the American Natural Gas Association (now merged and part of the American Petroleum Institute – API), the nephew of Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL). Another donor is Elizabeth Gore, a lobbyist for WPX energy (fracking). A lobbyist for FTI Consulting, creator of an industry front group called Energy In Depth, also contributed to Clinton’s campaign. Although Clinton has said she would require FERC to consider climate change before granting any new gas pipeline permits, she recently told activists she would not ban fracking as president, and has a pro-fracking track record which has been well-documented by numerous groups, including pro-Clinton Super PAC Correct the Record.

Mary Streett, a lobbyist for BP, gave Clinton’s campaign the maximum allowable amount ($2700). Her sister, Stephanie S. Streett, is the Executive Director of the William J. Clinton Foundation and former executive director of the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation (Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation, 990 report 2013). The Podesta Group (Tony Podesta) also lobbied for BP, on issues including the Gulf of Mexico spill response and recovery.

While Secretary of State, Clinton pushed fracking in countries around the world, through the department’s Global Shale Gas Initiative. According to Grist, after the Bulgarian government signed a five-year deal with Chevron, major public protests led the Bulgarian parliament to pass a fracking moratorium. Clinton traveled to Bulgaria and then dispatched her special envoy for energy in Eurasia, Richard Morningstar, to push back against the fracking bans, which were eventually overturned.

Clinton’s State Department played a major role in negotiating a bilateral oil agreement with Mexico. Her former special envoy for international energy affairs, David Goldwyn, has donated the maximum allowable amount to the campaign ($2700). Although neither he nor his firm (Goldwyn International Strategies LLC) report lobbying during 2015-2016, since leaving the State Department Goldwyn has consulted for companies wishing to profit from Mexico’s decision to allow private oil services contractors into the country in order to expand PEMEX’s ability to produce shale oil and tap deep offshore reserves.

David Leiter (ML Strategies lobbyist for Exxon and a Clinton bundler), the former Senate chief of staff to John Kerry, is also a lobbyist for Burisma Holdings, a private Ukrainian natural gas and uranium mining company with many connections to the Democratic Party. Biden’s son Hunter joined Burisma’s board in 2014, right before Leiter was hired to lobby members about the role of the company in Ukraine (arguing for its role in helping Ukraine be independent of Russia). Another board member, Devon Archer, is a Clinton donor (2700). FTI’s Lawrence Pacheco does communications for Burisma. Burisma is owned by a Cypriot holding firm, Brociti Investments Ltd, which is controlled by Nikolai Zlochevskyi, a former Ukrainian government minister.

Although Clinton has said she supports an investigation into Exxon’s early concealment of what it knew about the risks of climate change and subsequent financing of climate denier front groups, her campaign has taken contributions from at least seven lobbyists working for Exxon, including one in-house lobbyist — Theresa Fariello — who has bundled and additional $21,200 for the campaign.

Hess lobbyists from Forbes-Tate (Daniel Tate, Jeffrey Forbes, George Cooper and Rachel Miller) all gave maximum allowable contributions to Clinton’s campaign. The firm lobbied on behalf of the Hess Corporation, on crude by rail and crude exports. Hess owns rail cars that came off the tracks and caught fire after a BNSF train derailed in North Dakota in early May 2015. Hess is the third-largest oil producer in North Dakota. Lynn Helms, a former Hess executive served as ND’s top oil and gas regulator at the Department of Mineral Resources between 2005 and 2013. When Clinton came out in opposition to the Keystone XL pipeline, she started talking about how fixing train tracks would create jobs. In December 2015, a couple of months after Clinton announced she opposed Keystone XL, and just over a month after Obama rejected the pipeline down, Warren Buffett — who owns BNSF — endorsed Clinton. Buffett is also a big oil investor (e.g. Phillips 66).

Companies invested in LNG projects with lobbyists that have given to Clinton’s campaign include Freeport LNG (Elizabeth Gore – Brownstein Hyatt, $500); LNG Allies (Michael Smith – Cornerstone Gov. Affairs – 2700 and a bundler of $59,400); Dominion Resources (Tom Lawler – Lawler Strategies, 2700); Oregon LNG (Robert van Heuvelen VH Strategies – 2700). Exxon also has LNG projects. Cheniere Energy’s Ankit Desai not only gave the maximum allowed, but also bundled $140,400 for the campaign. Another donor ($2700) to Clinton’s campaign is Heather Zichal, Obama’s former energy advisor, who joined the board of Cheniere (LNG export company) after leaving the administration.

Former Rep. Richard (“Dick”) Gephardt’s firm lobbies for Peabody Energy (coal), Prairie State (coal-fired power plant and adjacent mine), Ameren Services Co. Gephardt and his wife, son and daughter Chrissy all contributed the maximum allowed to Clinton’s campaign (Dick is the only fossil fuel lobbyist in the family). Gephardt, a Democratic Party super delegate, has pledged to support Clinton. In February, the DNC rolled back its previous commitment to not take any contributions from federally registered lobbyists. Clinton’s campaign has also received contributions from lobbyists representing big mining companies — Westmoreland Coal, Arch Coal and Rio Tinto.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaign-updates/hillary-clintons-connection-oil-gas-industry/

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
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Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
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ARROOOOOO!
Supporting fracking because you're​ gullible enough to believe the people saying it's a cleaner fuel who are paying you =/= appointing Scott Pruitt to dismantle the EPA while also scuttling Paris Accord implementation.

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

VikingSkull posted:

thankfully that choice lost

You're a poo poo person.

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Duck and Cover posted:

You're a poo poo person.

oh nooooooooooooooooooooo

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

VikingSkull posted:

oh nooooooooooooooooooooo

It's okay you're allowed to be and since you don't vote whatever. Remember to let your betters speak and govern for you they know best.

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Duck and Cover posted:

It's okay you're allowed to be and since you don't vote whatever. Remember to let your betters speak and govern for you they know best.

my betters have to win an election before they can govern me :laugh:

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

VikingSkull posted:

my betters have to win an election before they can govern me :laugh:

Pretty sure anyone qualifies so mission accomplished. Hate filled monster! Sure why not. The monster is bad, the people who are okay/worship the monster are worse.

Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Apr 19, 2017

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Kiryen posted:

Hillary Clinton was "objectively better" only insofar as she masked her rank incompetence and stupidity with more conventional political language, and has endless liberals claiming "B-but she's a democrat! her scandals don't c-count!"

If you actually think Hillary Clinton was better than Trump, you're objectively stupid, and it's not like Trump is a high bar to clear, either. Whining about "white people" is just excuse making. She's whiter than Trump is.

EVERYONE THAT THINKS DIFFERENTLY THAN ME IS STUPID BECAUSE I AM VERY SMART AND I DONT THINK WHAT THEY THINK.

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

scrubs season six posted:

EVERYONE THAT THINKS DIFFERENTLY THAN ME IS STUPID BECAUSE I AM VERY SMART AND I DONT THINK WHAT THEY THINK.

Good summary of SA lefties, TBH.

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Duck and Cover posted:

Pretty sure anyone qualifies so mission accomplished. Hate filled monster! Sure why not. The monster is bad, the people who are okay with the monster are worse.

I'm not filled with hate there's at least like a third of me that's apathy

mostly in deposits on my liver

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Krustic posted:

The media did the heavy lifting on the whole hiding her awfulness front. Clearly she is a terrible politician because she lost the electoral college to Donald loving Trump. LOL.

ftfy

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Kiryen posted:

Good summary of SA lefties, TBH.

Except you're the one doing it and it's objective proof that you're dumb and a little bitch baby.

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

The Groper posted:

gently caress yourself, "climate change is a Chinese hoax" and he's delivered in spades just as we go into Arctic destabilization. Literally no president at all is a better option than most Republicans, and especially a rich rear end in a top hat like Trump.

So in other words he's not going to waste time and energy trying to solve a problem that it's far too late to solve accoding to you.

Literally any Republican is better than a lefty. Shut up idiot.

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

scrubs season six posted:

Except you're the one doing it and it's objective proof that you're dumb and a little bitch baby.

It'd be easier to understand you if you weren't sucking your thumg when you were saying it.

You're dumb, wrong, and stupid and none of that is my fault. Stop belonging to part of the political spectrum that's made up of hateful authoritarian shitlords and you won't have this problem.

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."
Whoa this kiryen guy seems pretty mad at lefties

He seems to have a lot of strong opinions about them in fact

Krustic
Mar 28, 2010

Everything I say draws controversy. It's kinda like the abortion issue.

Oh ok. That changes everything.

a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Majorian posted:

It has high risks, but it's pretty safe if you, you know, pay the maintenance costs to keep the containment shell intact. And don't build right on a fault line and in a tsunami area. And actually reinforce the drat thing more than once every several decades.

Seriously, the Fukushima plant was a shitshow and it still took an act of God to gently caress it up. And even then, it's pretty easy to overstate its environmental impact.

i'm too high to repson to you

Abongination
Aug 18, 2010

Life, it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come.
Pillbug
Hate speech laws are cool and good, they tend to slightly mute peoples natural tendancy to poo poo where they sleep in regards to having a successful multicultural society.

We all have to work together but seeing that happen with our society so geared towards drama, conflict and scandals seems almost impossible.

Nihilism reigns, all politicians are scum, eat the rich etc.

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Abongination posted:

Nihilism reigns, all politicians are scum, eat the rich etc.

:agreed:

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

Wolfsheim posted:

Whoa this kiryen guy seems pretty mad at lefties

He seems to have a lot of strong opinions about them in fact

I just like talking to them the same way they talk to everyone else, it's fun

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

VikingSkull posted:

I'm not filled with hate there's at least like a third of me that's apathy

mostly in deposits on my liver

No your not the hate filled monster in this case.

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Duck and Cover posted:

No your not the hate filled monster in this case.

whew I was scared for a minute!

my apathy is very important to me

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!

Kiryen posted:

So in other words he's not going to waste time and energy trying to solve a problem that it's far too late to solve accoding to you.

Literally any Republican is better than a lefty. Shut up idiot.

He IS going to waste time and energy not solving the problem and encouraging further and deeper denial sooooooo embrace death and nihilism I guess, gg nice win pro strat

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Kiryen posted:

I just like talking to them the same way they talk to everyone else, it's fun

That's my gimmick but reversed idiot find your own

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
Who does everyone think the worst Democrat and Republican presidents are since after 1900

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

Aesop Poprock posted:

That's my gimmick but reversed idiot find your own

lol no

somethingawful bf
Jun 17, 2005
https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/791263939015376902

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

The Groper posted:

He IS going to waste time and energy not solving the problem and encouraging further and deeper denial sooooooo embrace death and nihilism I guess, gg nice win pro strat

"It's already too late to do anything about it but I'm going to pretend it's all Trump's fault"

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

You suck you're a turd go post in the ladies threads for retards this is where the big boys play and they play hard

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
This is where the strong boys throw the ball. This is where the mountains are climbed by bigger mountains

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
Go gently caress yourself

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe
it is incrediblh good that our president is such a bumbling idiot fuckhead. The presidency has needed this to happen for a long time.

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

Aesop Poprock posted:

You suck you're a turd go post in the ladies threads for retards this is where the big boys play and they play hard

Tell me about your incredible bench press please.

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot
Where's the Fresno shooter thread at

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Kiryen posted:

Tell me about your incredible bench press please.

I'm a gay dude and this sounds like we're gonna gently caress

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

Aesop Poprock posted:

I'm a gay dude and this sounds like we're gonna gently caress

Ok. I can stop at CVS for condoms.

somethingawful bf
Jun 17, 2005

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Where's the Fresno shooter thread at

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3817571

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

Thanks, nothing much there I guess. I was just wondering if it ever got made

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Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014

Aesop Poprock posted:

Who does everyone think the worst Democrat and Republican presidents are since after 1900

Worst D - Probably Truman, maybe Clinton
Worst R - I mean you said post 1900 so basically everyone pre-Eisenhower is hilariously terrible, post-Eisenhower it's probably still Nixon though Trump is already giving him a run for his money just a few months in, what with the cascade of incompetence and corruption

Kiryen posted:

"It's already too late to do anything about it but I'm going to pretend it's all Trump's fault"

Show me on the doll where the democrat touched you

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