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mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.
I can hold a modem in my hand and do the creative math modem + my skull = cyberpunk heaven, but I can't go on the internet with an intangible god, so gently caress that 1.0 poo poo.

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Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
looks like wesley opened his twitter again...
https://twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/854170056636461056
He's talked about his parents before, didn't strike me as any more than your average liberals
https://twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/854170930276433920
https://twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/854171121914175490
https://twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/854171346938540032
https://twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/854171764427030528
https://twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/854172222172299264
wesley wants a high paying job without living in a city with *ugh* BLACK PEOPLE in it
https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/852367491594678272
https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/852367559106146304
https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/852367684079669248
Freaks create, progs demand indulgences

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

I don't think 4chan has created joy for anyone since about 2008 Rev

Magnusth
Sep 25, 2014

Hello, Creature! Do You Despise Goat Hating Fascists? So Do We! Join Us at Paradise Lost!


schadenfreude is still freude.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

ate all the Oreos posted:

I don't think 4chan has created joy for anyone since about 2008 Rev

i loved the phrasing, and in extension, the framing: "4chan made all the people joyous until the mean progs put a tax on happiness and said that people couldn't smile because that's how they got their power, so the memes must be peecee"

Syd Midnight
Sep 23, 2005

ate all the Oreos posted:

I've argued with a few transhumanists and it's fascinating how sure they are of the whole thing, and that it can't just be a weird faith/religion thing because it's obviously true. You know, unlike all those people who believe in the dumb sky wizard which must be obviously false even to them, the future AI wizard is obviously real and the most likely outcome.

I wish I had attribution for this quote

quote:

Transhumanism was invented sometime between "I wish I had kickass rad claws like that sabretooth" and "I bet I could use this rock as prosthetic fist."
because that about sums it up for me.

My father has wheels, electric motors, and several tubes and wires providing life support. If the electricity goes out for more than a few hours he has to broadcast a radio distress signal because he will die if his backup batteries run out.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

I've always credited my upbringing in a diverse environment with my visceral hatred of islamophobia. I know people wanking off about the degeneracy of Islam are bullshitting because they are talking about my friends.

e: lol he protected the tweets

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Syd Midnight posted:

My father has wheels, electric motors, and several tubes and wires providing life support. If the electricity goes out for more than a few hours he has to broadcast a radio distress signal because he will die if his backup batteries run out.

There's equivocation between "enhancements are good" and "give MIRI your money" that I'm not likely to buy into, however.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
You don't just give MIRI all your money. You pay for your cryogenics insurance first, then you give MIRI all your money.

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Peel posted:

I've always credited my upbringing in a diverse environment with my visceral hatred of islamophobia. I know people wanking off about the degeneracy of Islam are bullshitting because they are talking about my friends.

e: lol he protected the tweets

Can't emphasize enough that if you think a tweet is worth posting it's worth copy/paste.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

ate all the Oreos posted:

I don't think 4chan has created joy for anyone since about 2008 Rev

Or ever. It's a negative feedback loop.

https://youtu.be/Hhx6IfKrvEQ

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Or ever. It's a negative feedback loop.

https://youtu.be/Hhx6IfKrvEQ

Eh I'm not above admitting that I found old 4chan's weird meme anarchy pretty fun back when that was new and exotic and not scrawled across 75% of all websites ever.

Come to think of it I can't really remember them coming up with a good meme in the last few years, even the lame ones like kek and pepe are from half a decade ago at this point...

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

90s Cringe Rock posted:

You don't just give MIRI all your money. You pay for your cryogenics insurance first, then you give MIRI all your money.

I want these idiots to be right about tranhumanism, and for them to wake up 100 years in the future where aesthetic preferences have changed so dramatically that they don't look like sleek immortal technogods, but instead that motorcycle\man hybrid from that one Nightmare On Elm Street sequel, so they wake up looking like a wet industrial mistake and re-perish from shock, but their servitors just keep bringin' em back.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Or ever. It's a negative feedback loop.
Oh, I don't know, there was a time when it provided lots of joy for people who like child porn and gore ...

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

ate all the Oreos posted:

Eh I'm not above admitting that I found old 4chan's weird meme anarchy pretty fun back when that was new and exotic and not scrawled across 75% of all websites ever.

Come to think of it I can't really remember them coming up with a good meme in the last few years, even the lame ones like kek and pepe are from half a decade ago at this point...

There were funny and creative people there once, but they left once they realized it was an eternal game of chicken played for the benefit of no one, and they could be doing anything else

Much like what happened to SA

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

mysterious frankie posted:

I want these idiots to be right about tranhumanism, and for them to wake up 100 years in the future where aesthetic preferences have changed so dramatically that they don't look like sleek immortal technogods, but instead that motorcycle\man hybrid from that one Nightmare On Elm Street sequel, so they wake up looking like a wet industrial mistake and re-perish from shock, but their servitors just keep bringin' em back.

I love how many people don't "get" the kid's clothes in this comic and bring up how weird it is:



Now imagine that but 200 years in the future and objectification of the human body has been amplified by several orders of magnitude until everyone's a weird uncanny valley parody of a blow-up sex doll or something

darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS

ate all the Oreos posted:

I love how many people don't "get" the kid's clothes in this comic and bring up how weird it is:



Now imagine that but 200 years in the future and objectification of the human body has been amplified by several orders of magnitude until everyone's a weird uncanny valley parody of a blow-up sex doll or something
Sex doll, hah! How terribly plebeian. I expect a great many people will become the sexual cartoon characters they always wanted to be, but some will become the sexy planes and cars and infants of their wildest fever dreams. There will be as many different forms of sexual expression as there are people, and I praise God that I shall not live to see it.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
John Sladek wrote a series of short stories called 15 Utopias. One of them involved a future beauty pageant where the lead male contestant has a three-foot coxcomb, and eyes in his female breasts while the lead female contestant has a hundred pounds of implanted fat, extra fingers and toes, and a pair of antlers.

There's another contestant with an elephant trunk for a dick.

Pitch
Jun 16, 2005

しらんけど
I read some scifi short story that must have been 1960s or older which started out by saying it was a love story between a man described as "bronze" and a woman who was a gymnast. Then over the course of a few pages it explained that the man was literally bronze, in a radiation-proof space travel body, and the woman breathed water and was covered with a fine layer of insulating fur, and the two of them having sex was physically impossible but they traded recordings of themselves to simulate loving in a computer before the man shipped out from her planet on his spaceship.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
That sure is the plot to every hack sci fi book ever.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Actually now that I'm thinking about it Dhalgren had those weird holographically-projected fursuits / dragon outfits people wore, decades before furries were even a concept

So ahead of your time Sam :allears:

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Pitch posted:

I read some scifi short story that must have been 1960s or older which started out by saying it was a love story between a man described as "bronze" and a woman who was a gymnast. Then over the course of a few pages it explained that the man was literally bronze, in a radiation-proof space travel body, and the woman breathed water and was covered with a fine layer of insulating fur, and the two of them having sex was physically impossible but they traded recordings of themselves to simulate loving in a computer before the man shipped out from her planet on his spaceship.
I think I know the one you're talking about. It started out as "boy loves girl, girl loves boy" and then explained all the ways in which they, being from the future, were different from modern assumptions. IIRC at least one of them was trans?

It was actually a way better story than you'd think from reading a description of it. Can't remember the name or author, though. Pretty sure it wasn't Delany.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
https://mister-mean-spirited.blogspot.com/2017/04/there-is-something-faggy-about-gyms.html

In which I again question my assumption that MMS ISN'T a very dedicated troll.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
http://lesswrong.com/lw/oul/openai_makes_humanity_less_safe/dqng

So some AI researcher claims to have received death threats by rationalists who fear that the machine god of their collective nightmares might come alive, and are concerned that this researcher isn't taking the threat of malevolent AI gods quite seriously enough.

What does preeminent rationalist (and scientific racist, hereditist etc.) gwern have to say in response?

quote:

Death threats are a serious matter and such behavior must be called out. If you really have received 3 or more death threats as you claim, you should be naming names of those who have been going around making death threats and providing documentation, as should be possible since you say at least two of them were online. (Not because the death threats are particularly likely to be acted on - I've received a number of angry death threats myself over my DNM work and they never went anywhere, as indeed >99.999% of death threats do - but because it's a serious violation of community norms, specific LW policy against 'threats against specific groups', and merely making them greatly poisons the community, sowing distrust and destroying its reputation.)

Especially since, because they are so serious, it is also serious if someone is hoaxing fake death threats and concern-trolling while hiding behind a throwaway... That sort of vague unspecific but damaging accusation is how games of telephone get started and, for example, why, 7+ years later, we still have journalists writing BS about how 'the basilisk terrified the LW community' (thanks to our industrious friends over on Ratwiki steadily inflating the claims from 1 or 2 people briefly worried to a community-wide crisis). I am troubled by the coincidence that almost simultaneous with these claims, over on /r/slatestarcodex, probably the most active post-LW discussion forum, is also arguing over a long post - by another throwaway account - claiming that it is regarded as a cesspit of racism by unnamed experts, following hard on the heels of Caplan/Cowen slamming LW for the old chestnut of being a 'religion'. "You think people would do that? Just go on the Internet and tell lies?" Nor are these the first times that pseudonymous people online have shown up to make damaging but false or unsubstantiated accusations (su3su2su1 comes to mind as making similar claims and turning out to have 'lied for Jesus' about his credentials and the unnamed experts, as does whoever was behind that attempt to claim MIRI was covering up rape).

So not only are you poisoning the community by complaining about death threats without making all info about them and yourself public (or putting them in the safe and trustworthy hands of some lesswrong notable, who'll be guaranteed to handle it in an unbiased way and not use it against you), but also by making vague unspecified claims about specific documented things that now serve only to embarrass the rationalist community.

And dare you make the simple observation that the SSC comments are a cesspit of racism and sexism, and that SSC is infamously amenable to such views.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

I love how they managed to make it about them in the second paragraph. "Well sure you're getting death threats but someone might right a mean article about us!!"

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008

"How dare you call me racist?? Also, the heritability of IQ is very important to me for some reason"

Pitch
Jun 16, 2005

しらんけど

90s Cringe Rock posted:

I think I know the one you're talking about. It started out as "boy loves girl, girl loves boy" and then explained all the ways in which they, being from the future, were different from modern assumptions. IIRC at least one of them was trans?

It was actually a way better story than you'd think from reading a description of it. Can't remember the name or author, though. Pretty sure it wasn't Delany.
Oh yeah. The girl was genetically male but doctors could tell in utero that she had "aptitudes" for being a woman or something like that, so she was born and lived as one and no one in the future thought this was any more unnatural than having a cavity filled by a dentist.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

90s Cringe Rock posted:

Pretty sure it wasn't Delany.

Delaney is soooooooo good and I have wanted an adaptation of Nova since I was a teenager.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

I read Dhalgren as an impressionable young queer just-turned-teen and it's probably why I'm so hosed up today ❤️

Also I always forget that he's still alive until I look him up and go "oh there's a picture of him looking like an insane grizzled prospector on his wiki page taken in 2016 ok"

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Because of course this exists

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010


*Mouse over the link, see what it is, go "mmnahhhhhhhhh im good" out loud*

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

ate all the Oreos posted:

*Mouse over the link, see what it is, go "mmnahhhhhhhhh im good" out loud*

The post about why man of steel is about discouraging eugenics in China and preventing China from advancing is amazing tho

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

"For discussion of eugenics and transhumanist thought." Because of course it is. Rationalist-watchers will spot some familiar names, in case anyone was wondering how on-topic this is for this thread.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/msainat1/status/854110560530685952
https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/854462641716199424

Who could have foreseen him becoming a Trump apologist? Oh right, ever since he declared that Trump was a better choice for LGBT people and never revisited that statement ever.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Yes Rev the EPA is clearly just a spoiled disobedient child that has emotions and can learn from being punished for doing a bad job and hopefully if we raise them right when they grow up they won't wind up like one of those three-letter agencies

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008

quote:

I am troubled by the coincidence that almost simultaneous with these claims, over on /r/slatestarcodex, probably the most active post-LW discussion forum, is also arguing over a long post - by another throwaway account - claiming that it is regarded as a cesspit of racism by unnamed experts

quote:

New moderation policy: I am getting very paranoid after the various physical and reputational attacks on people saying “offensive” speech, especially given some ominous noises from within what I previously considered a bubble of safety. In order to protect myself and non-anonymous readers of this blog, I am going to be more careful about allowing things that hostile parties could interpret as reason to go Middlebury on someone. I am banning the terms “human biodiversity” and “hbd” – this doesn’t necessarily mean banning all discussion of those topics, but it should force people to concentrate on particular claims rather than make sweeping culture-war-ish declarations about the philosophy as a whole.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Scott posted:

New moderation policy: I am getting very paranoid after the various physical and reputational attacks on people saying “offensive” speech, especially given some ominous noises from within what I previously considered a bubble of safety. In order to protect myself and non-anonymous readers of this blog, I am going to be more careful about allowing things that hostile parties could interpret as reason to go Middlebury on someone. I am banning the terms “human biodiversity” and “hbd” – this doesn’t necessarily mean banning all discussion of those topics, but it should force people to concentrate on particular claims rather than make sweeping culture-war-ish declarations about the philosophy as a whole.

The commenters are not happy.

Also, I'm sure changing the euphemism for "racist as gently caress" will definitely fool the toxoplasmotic social justice borg hated outgroup for, ooh, minutes.

divabot has a new favorite as of 16:36 on Apr 23, 2017

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

divabot posted:

The commenters are not happy.

Also, I'm sure changing the euphemism for "racist as gently caress" will definitely fool the toxoplasmotic social justice borg hated outgroup for, ooh, minutes.

That's how they came up with biodiversity in the first place

ThePlague-Daemon
Apr 16, 2008

~Neck Angels~

Failing billionaires, though, no problem.

I wish there was something in between shutting down an EPA regional office in an affected area and "rewarding failure" with more money and power, but that's just me being irrational.

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
A friend who is an artist just scored a grant for a project on transhumanism. She's taking a strictly outside view, but even with that she's disconcerted by what a can of worms she's opened up. And the worms all hate each other. We met up for too much coffee today and I told her all about what I thought of it, because you may have noticed I think a thing or two. I wrote up some notes from it, just my bits not hers.

tl;dr transhumanism the label and subculture is actively detrimental to what good ideas are in it.

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