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Flikken posted:Because Wentz isn't a success or failure yet??? They didn't change the rules to immediately induct him into the HoF his rookie season, so he's a failure
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Derek Carr has played 3 seasons and is +50 on TD's / Ints, and taken a team to a 12 win season, that's an easy hit. Wentz has played one year like a rookie with a putrid receiving core, so we expect he'll be better then Goff, but who knows, and there's not much to go on. Hell, I wasn't willing to say anything about Mariota / Winston, and they took very solid steps last year. Also, maybe Bortles is okay, but he's going to have to show significant improvement this year or he'll be chucked in the trash bin. He even has what everyone thought was a good receiving core after what happened in 2015.
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Let's not forget RG3's rookie year. Jury is out until like year 3 usually.
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Diqnol posted:I find it interesting that you're willing to call Carr a success already but Wentz is conspicuously missing from this post. Also the argument that maybe Bortles is ok. 
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I haven't seen a lot of him so maybe I'm talking out of my rear end a bit, but it seems like that strange week 3 beat down of the Steelers is doing a whole lot to buoy Wentz's reputation right now.
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He looked not stellar but fine against the Ravens.
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ZenVulgarity posted:So are the pats getting comp picks or what They are projected to get an extra 4th (Sheard) and 5th (Bennett) in 2018.
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fsif posted:I haven't seen a lot of him so maybe I'm talking out of my rear end a bit, but it seems like that strange week 3 beat down of the Steelers is doing a whole lot to buoy Wentz's reputation right now. that performance was almost entirely screens and passes thrown within 5 yards of the los also iirc. the yac that day was insane
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https://twitter.com/BR_DougFarrar/status/854714275444674560 Every single one of these quarterbacks is going to bust.
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fsif posted:https://twitter.com/BR_DougFarrar/status/854714275444674560 Peterman was getting a bunch of visits according to that reddit post. He's got the same game as Kaaya but faced less pressure all year.
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Wentz has flaws but if you watched him last year you know that he was basically the offense. Asking a rookie QB from North Dakota State to be the best player on an NFL offense after he went through the entire off-season as the 3rd QB is pretty much an impossible request. I think we saw more good than bad from Wentz last year, but we're going to get a much more clear idea of what he really is this fall.
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lol if QBs go 2-3quote:CSN Chicago beat writer John Mullin expects the Bears to draft a QB at No. 3, pointing to Clemson's Deshaun Watson as the pick.
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Not having an obvious elite premier #1 QB sure does gently caress up the process doesn't it
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Panthers are going to get some sick nasty stud or trade down because people are all sad brains for QBs owns
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Doltos posted:Not having an obvious elite premier #1 QB sure does gently caress up the process doesn't it I wouldn't know!!
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fsif posted:https://twitter.com/BR_DougFarrar/status/854714275444674560 wtf Peterman couldn't beat out Josh Dobbs for the starting job at UT and now he's NFL ready?
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Tyler Palko beat out Joe Flacco for the starting QB job at Pitt TFF has this strange outlook that players can't improve
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At the end of last season, Wentz was constantly the best player on the field for offense for the Eagles. It was frustrating watching the guys paid to catch a football. Didn't have a run game because Ryan Mathews is awesome BUT...made of glass. And Sproles isn't a workhorse back. And Smallwood got injured before we knew what he was, so zero run game. Every time Wentz did some bullshit Russel Wilson/Vick stuff in the backfield to allude rushing defenders and got free and got his feet sat...you just KNEW there wasn't a receiver open EVER. Please put Agholor, Green-Beckham, and Treggs in a garbage can and roll down the hill please.
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warcrimes posted:TFF has this strange outlook that players can't improve They can't. Ever. And you should always trade down. If you were to draft the entire 7th round one year, that team would be undefeated for the next 4 years.
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garrett fugazi
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warcrimes posted:TFF has this strange outlook that players can't improve The real issue is that nobody can reliably tell what college QB *will* improve. Even accounting for how good Dallas is on offense, Dak overachieved HUGELY and nobody saw it coming even a little bit. If Dallas thought he'd play like that, they would have taken him in the 1st round in fear that somebody else would figure it out, too.
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Alaois posted:garrett fugazi
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sean10mm posted:The real issue is that nobody can reliably tell what college QB *will* improve. Even accounting for how good Dallas is on offense, Dak overachieved HUGELY and nobody saw it coming even a little bit. If Dallas thought he'd play like that, they would have taken him in the 1st round in fear that somebody else would figure it out, too.   He gave Hackenberg a 4th round grade; Prescott a 4-5th round grade. Prescott projects as a better version of Tebow capable of spot-starting.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Here's Brugler on Dak and Hack last year. The funny thing is that if you just go by his descriptions, Dak sounds a million times better than Hack. Which he was - Hack outright looked like loving poo poo, while Dak was at least good at the college level even if he had to improve a lot to succeed as a pro. But then he gave Dak a lower grade for... some reason?  e: The Tebow comparison always seemed dumb to me even at the time. "He's like Tebow, except he runs a lot less, and throws quite a bit more, and his throwing mechanics aren't nearly as busted, and he's smaller, and...uh..." sean10mm fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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Because team and draftnik grades are rarely done on production alone? Otherwise Colt Brennan would have an A++ grade in my heart.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Because team and draftnik grades are rarely done on production alone? Hack was just so lovely in such an obvious way it makes my head hurt. Pros for Hack: white, quarterback-shaped Cons: LOL how long have you got
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I'm hoping for a draft thread of nothing but sean10mm talking about Hackenberg and Eagles fans inexplicably writing odes to how great Carson Wentz will be.
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Diva Cupcake posted:I'm hoping for a draft thread of nothing but sean10mm talking about Hackenberg and Eagles fans inexplicably writing odes to how great Carson Wentz will be. Hey, YOU brought Hack back into the conversation this time!  Anyway the alternative isn't good football chat, it's a pop tart derail.
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waah posted:They can't. Ever. Round 1: OG Round 2: OG Trade down the rest to 7th rounders. The perfect draft.
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If I were a GM without a franchise QB I would just take a whole draft of quarterbacks every season until I found one.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Post on Reddit listing all player visits with multiple meetings with the same team. The Jets seem to value 2nd round picks similar to 7th round picks so if they throw away another 2 on a QB that would pretty much be par for the course. A QB at 6 is an unmitigated disaster.
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