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astrollinthepork posted:I have never seen a Hollywood Hogan match outside of what he did the WWF and that was all a long time ago. I'm watching Hogan and Rock from WM X8 right now and as I understand it, Hogan was heel coming into this and Rock was face. Did Hogan start doing the hulkster stuff including hulking up after a rock bottom on the fly due to crowd reaction? poo poo doesn't seem very heelish to me but I don't know how Hollywood wrestled. Both guys switched on the fly. Canada LOVES WWE's 80's stars and Hogan in particular. He came out to start the show on RAW the next night in Montreal, and they gave him a legit standing O for good long while, a few minutes at least. He was actually choked up, it was a cool moment. One of the things that bugs me about Hogan is he has this weird tendency to make poo poo up or exaggerate about his accomplishments, and it's like dude, you accomplished plenty, you're either the biggest or 2nd biggest star in the history of industry, this is wholly unnecessary. Yeah, Canek and Harley bodyslammed Andre before you, that doesn't mean you have to act like there was triple the amount of people there compared to the real number, or that Andre was 700 lbs, or any of that poo poo (it's not like those are his only whoppers, either). Roman Reigns posted:Meng rules, and I will always mark out for the Tongan Death Grip Imagine JBL trying to bully Meng or one of Meng's friends, that'd be fun. I mean, not for JBL.... El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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El Gallinero Gros posted:One of the things that bugs me about Hogan is he has this weird tendency to make poo poo up or exaggerate about his accomplishments, and it's like dude, you accomplished plenty, you're either the biggest or 2nd biggest star in the history of industry, this is wholly unnecessary. Yeah, Canek and Harley bodyslammed Andre before you, that doesn't mean you have to act like there was triple the amount of people there compared to the real number, or that Andre was 700 lbs, or any of that poo poo (it's not like those are his only whoppers, either).
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Halloween Jack posted:Why do people with billions of dollars keep working? You don't get to that point without being an egomaniac who just can't stop. Oh I fully understand why he does it, it just annoys the poo poo out of me. I probably enjoyed Austin embarrassing him a bit when Steve was inducted as much as anybody.
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Meng rules but please don't forget Barbarian who also ruled.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Oh I fully understand why he does it, it just annoys the poo poo out of me. I probably enjoyed Austin embarrassing him a bit when Steve was inducted as much as anybody. Hogan's brain is also likely hosed up from years of drugs and chair shots. Some of the stuff he's making up or exaggerating may be what he genuinely believes.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Both guys switched on the fly. Canada LOVES WWE's 80's stars and Hogan in particular. He came out to start the show on RAW the next night in Montreal, and they gave him a legit standing O for good long while, a few minutes at least. He was actually choked up, it was a cool moment. I went to that show. The Hogan response went so long the main event of the show ended up having to be cut way down. I think it involved Nash and Hall? Edit: Yeah, Rock/Hogan beat them in 6 minutes by count out. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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Roman Reigns posted:Hogan''s brain is also likely hosed up from years of drugs and chair shots. Some of the stuff he's making up or exaggerating may be what he genuinely believes. Hogan is just one of those people who lies all the time. I knew plenty of them in the army and out of it. He's the cook who is also a special forces ranger. He's my family member who always talked about how rich they were, but how all the money was tied up in things elsewhere. He just happens to have achieved more than these people normally do, but that doesn't cut down on their compulsion to lie.
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Jason Sextro posted:Lance Storm winning all the undercard titles and giving them Canadian names was a highlight for me The Canadian flag sticker placed on top of the US title belt owned. oldpainless posted:Remember that Hogan has a ten inch penis yeah but what about terry bollea
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Sandman McMahon posted:Ernest Miller was pretty cool, but Screaming Norman Smiley was pretty cool too (maybe more?) and also one of my favourite memories from late WCW. What are your favourite memories of late WCW? Positively Kanyon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64_Ne-k6WX0 Who betta?
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Kanyon's montage of Diamond Cutters out of nowhere is legit one of the best things to come out of WCW. Orton can only wish he was as prolific with the RKO. I don't see him hitting the RKO on cameramen during interviews and random people outside of arenas. That poo poo was the best.El Gallinero Gros posted:One of the things that bugs me about Hogan is he has this weird tendency to make poo poo up or exaggerate about his accomplishments, and it's like dude, you accomplished plenty, you're either the biggest or 2nd biggest star in the history of industry, this is wholly unnecessary.
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in the context of wrestling bruno sammartino was bigger than both hogan and rock. outside of wrestling it's the rock and it isn't even close
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Who is #2 in mainstream success coming from wrestling besides the Rock? It's such a steep drop-off from there. Hogan was "visible" in the 1980s but it was all pure garbo and peaked with what, his Rocky III cameo?
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Ostentatious posted:in the context of wrestling bruno sammartino was bigger than both hogan and rock. where does Ric Flair fit in?
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Venomous posted:where does Ric Flair fit in? Best wrestler/top 3 draw of the 80's?
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sean10mm posted:I was irrationally happy to just discover that Meng isn't dead. I just sort of assumed he would be, because wrestler, but he's not! Not only is he alive, but he's getting given big trucks by The Rock because he's Meng so why not! Aphrodite posted:Batista. Yeah it's gotta be, Guardians, the last Bond film and he's gonna be in the new Blade Runner. Everybody seems to love him too 
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Both guys switched on the fly. Canada LOVES WWE's 80's stars and Hogan in particular. He came out to start the show on RAW the next night in Montreal, and they gave him a legit standing O for good long while, a few minutes at least. He was actually choked up, it was a cool moment.
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The Rock right now has a reputation of being able to revive moribund movie series (Fast & Furious went from being "just for gearheads circa 2002" to action-movie events) and has something people in Hollywood thought was dead: star power. Attach his name to a movie and all of a sudden it gets buzz and pops a number opening weekend. No wrestlers and only a handful of actors (think Will Smith, Tom Cruise, Denzel Washington, etc.) can say they have done that.sean10mm posted:Who is #2 in mainstream success coming from wrestling besides the Rock? It's such a steep drop-off from there. Hogan was "visible" in the 1980s but it was all pure garbo and peaked with what, his Rocky III cameo? It's very steep; maybe Stone Cold because he constantly gets work in low-budget DTV action flicks and had a prominent role in the first Expendables film. Batista is another one but Stone Cold was absolutely more successful than him in wrestling and both have a library of low-budget DTV action flicks with Guardians of the Galaxy being Batista lone thing over Austin. Justin Godscock fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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He's an Avenger.
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astrollinthepork posted:Was the Nash/Hall run in called on the fly too? Not exactly: I believe the idea was that Hogan was always meant to lose and get turned on, but rather than running in and turning on him for not getting the job done (which I believe was the original plan), it ended up being more that he was turned on for showing respect to the Rock as well as giving a poo poo what the fans think once more (even though the nWo used to pander relentlessly, but that's neither here nor there). Incidentally, when I ranked Hogan 2nd I was referring to the megastardom that Austin enjoyed from '97 until around 2001 or so. I feel Steve's level of mainstream acceptance was equal or greater to Hogan's in part because mass media had grown so much from the time Hogan was WWE champion compared to Steve's prime. I'd be willing to hear an argument for the Rock, though. I'd actually like to hear who other people feel was the bigger star: Hogan? Austin? Rock? Duane Gill? El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Justin Godscock posted:Batista is another one but Stone Cold was absolutely more successful than him in wrestling and both have a library of low-budget DTV action flicks with Guardians of the Galaxy being Batista lone thing over Austin. Guardians of the Galaxy alone is bigger than wrestling, tbh.
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Can you buy Evolve VOD? How? I've been on the WWN site for like 15 minutes and it honestly feels like they don't want my money.
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remusclaw posted:Best wrestler/top 3 draw of the 80's? Fair. Wasn't a chance that he was bigger than Sammartino then. Cool.
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Venomous posted:Fair. Wasn't a chance that he was bigger than Sammartino then. Cool. You know, I was thinking Sammartino when I wrote that, but I'm not sure he was that big a draw when the 80's rolled around. He lost the Title for the last time in 77. So Flair may be #2.
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Captain Magic posted:Can you buy Evolve VOD? How? I've been on the WWN site for like 15 minutes and it honestly feels like they don't want my money. The short answer is no. I think you still can through their roku/fire tv apps but when they overhauled their website to an even slower and more obtuse one after the move to floslam they took down the VOD archive under the assumption that flo would have their entire back catalog up by the new year like they said they would (they still haven't) the good news: You can still access your old purchases through My Account on the wwnlive website if you have any. Evolve 3, 4, 45, 47, 55, 56, and 68-81 are all up on floslam and a one month subscription costs as much as 1.5 old VODs did so if those are the shows you're looking for its no big deal. the bad news: its been forever since they added one of the older shows to the archive and they've offered zero timetable as to when they'll get back on that
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Justin Godscock posted:The Rock right now has a reputation of being able to revive moribund movie series (Fast & Furious went from being "just for gearheads circa 2002" to action-movie events) and has something people in Hollywood thought was dead: star power. Attach his name to a movie and all of a sudden it gets buzz and pops a number opening weekend. No wrestlers and only a handful of actors (think Will Smith, Tom Cruise, Denzel Washington, etc.) can say they have done that. Guardians made a bajillion dollars and he was also in the last Bond movie
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The correct answer is Andre, because Fezzik is the best character a wrestler has ever portrayed. Also because nothing says mainstream success like the intersection between ridiculous drinking stories and universal acclaim for your generosity and kindness.
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Paracaidas posted:The correct answer is Andre, because Fezzik is the best character a wrestler has ever portrayed. Also because nothing says mainstream success like the intersection between ridiculous drinking stories and universal acclaim for your generosity and kindness. You definitely aren't talking about Andre then.
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probably one of the most famous wrestlers of all time is the Road Dogg. and don't forget the second hulk hogan from wCw, "Hollywood."
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oatgan posted:The short answer is no. I think you still can through their roku/fire tv apps but when they overhauled their website to an even slower and more obtuse one after the move to floslam they took down the VOD archive under the assumption that flo would have their entire back catalog up by the new year like they said they would (they still haven't) Ah, lame. Thanks for letting me know, though. At least now I don't have to get back on that website for a while.
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MassRafTer posted:You definitely aren't talking about Andre then. exactly everyone knows jarko grimwood is the best character a wrestler has ever portrayed
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Guardians made a bajillion dollars and he was also in the last Bond movie He's also in a movie that will easily be one of the biggest of the year. And then there's the Avengers thing next summer. And then there's the other Avengers thing the summer after that. Guardians 3 not long after that. And that's only counting the poo poo he's doing for Marvel. So yeah, I'd say Dave Bautista is set to take that number 2 spot behind D.T.R. Johnson pretty comfortably. Sandman from ECW fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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If we're just talking about American wrestlers, Hulk Hogan was a way, way bigger deal in the overall culture than Batista is as a character in a movie franchise and it's not close. Austin was even bigger than Hogan's peak but just for a three year period. I love Batista but, come on.
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Yeah, but Hogan was known for being a wrestler. The Rock and Batista's success are as actors.
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hogan was kind of a regular mainstream icon to a degree though. Like being on MTV or commercials or whatever else. Even though it was "he's the famous wrestler", it was in a mainstream way. I have no clue how to compare that to a substantial part in a few blockbuster movies and won't even try, but I will say this: a hot dog is a sandwich
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Aphrodite posted:Yeah, but Hogan was known for being a wrestler. He's one of the most successful wrestlers ever.
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What I mean is that Hulk Hogan was always "Hulk Hogan, the WWF wrestler, as..." Yes in a different way because of the era, but he was a casting gimmick. The Rock certainly owes wrestling for getting his start in Hollywood, but he got to where he is by being an incredibly enjoyable actor, not because people remembered This Is Your Life.
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So my two favorite wrestlers are Asuka and Nakamura atm. Neither can cut an english promo to save their lives. Is there any chance of an actual, meaningful push for either of them on the main roster? Being old certainly doesn't help either one.
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Nakamura's English is okay though. Look at his first promo against Aries, for instance. He had a nice sense of timing there. That said, I'm pretty sure Ziggler will do the heavy lifting on that end of the feud, whereas Nakamura will say a few things at the end that really pop the crowd before Kinshasaing the poo poo out of him. Asuka? Eh. Asuka just needs to be pushed as a silent killer. I dunno how that'll get over, but it's what they need to do.
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