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like to expand, having political leaders actually have to discuss their ideas, philosophy and put it in context of Britain today is really important imho
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JFairfax posted:it's loving appalling that May isn't taking part in them. I don't think its appalling I think it's a smart move.
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JFairfax posted:like to expand, having political leaders actually have to discuss their ideas, philosophy and put it in context of Britain today is really important imho Like in the US presidential debates ?
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JFairfax posted:like to expand, having political leaders actually have to discuss their ideas, philosophy and put it in context of Britain today is really important imho No, all we need is to know that anybody who disagrees with may is a traitor and to vote tory. All heil God empress may
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if may can't best renowned 'shite public speaker' jeremy corbyn in a debate then she has no busienss fighting this election
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TheRat posted:Something something horse shoe theory it's more accurate than you think, because both left and right extremism run into the problem of having to deal with the 95% of people who are not ideologically pure enough, meaning both will never reach their respective official end goals but instead get stuck at a very similar stage of throwing people into camps until they fail
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JFairfax posted:it's loving appalling that May isn't taking part in them. They're poo poo. loving fake presidential nonsense
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Gum posted:Did they surround the trade unionists and prevent them from leaving? quote:The report claimed that the tactics used by union-busters are designed to frighten and intimidate workers away from any union attempt to recruit them at work. Consultants hired by employers in the US warn the workforce that the union will start harassing them in their homes, risk their job security, and cause them a loss of earnings and benefits. Employees are also given company leaflets warning them that if they join the union they are likely to be permanently on strike.
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Pochoclo posted:Say what you will about flaps, he's still a better candidate for PM than pretty much any politician except for Corbyn and Don't Know. A recent poll actually found that Pissflaps is the preferred choice for Labour leader. Although the lack of "don't know" among the options may have skewed results.
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TV debates are a good opportunity for the underdog, and a risk for the popular candidate/incumbent. That means in this particular scenario they are a good thing and we should have more of them.
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It would be hilarious if, after the Brexit campaign got lost by a Tory PM overconfidently assuming it was impossible to lose and putting in virtually no effort to placate people within his own party and avoid negative exposure for himself, the next Tory PM loses by assuming it's impossible to lose and putting in no effort to etc etc. I mean, I don't think it's likely, but it'd be really funny.
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I'm afraid that Brexit is Corbyn's fault, the Tories are actually the party of competent leadership.
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blowfish posted:it's more accurate than you think, because both left and right extremism run into the problem of having to deal with the 95% of people who are not ideologically pure enough, meaning both will never reach their respective official end goals but instead get stuck at a very similar stage of throwing people into camps until they fail I was trying to find a jokey take on the dumb horse shoe theory that someone posted on Twitter months ago, but instead I've found myself wading through reams of insane shite. People who talk about Horse Shoe Theory sincerely on Twitter are loving unhinged. There's one poster, a furry propertarian (because of course he is), who can't tweet about anything else. Anyway, gently caress you for making me look up that for the sake of a weak joke. I mean, it's totally my own fault but I don't want to accept responsibility
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Brexiteers, 10 years from now: "I never wanted Brexit - it was all the liberal luvvies that were clamoring for it." or "They didn't do it properly / hard enough! They betrayed us!"
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For anyone who still watches terrestrial TV, 'Confessions of a Junior Doctor' is a series starting on Channel 4 tonight and it's basically one long party political broadcast for Labour.
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blowfish posted:it's more accurate than you think, because both left and right extremism run into the problem of having to deal with the 95% of people who are not ideologically pure enough, meaning both will never reach their respective official end goals but instead get stuck at a very similar stage of throwing people into camps until they fail Nah. Only those consciously trying to destroy a leftwing system should have to worry about that sort of thing, leftwing purity is belief in a form of process which can be changed, not the persons being which can't. Also USA incarceration rate is 743 per 100,000 while Stalins was estimated at 800 so depending where you put the USA, centrism can easily fall into 'putting people into camps until they fail' as well. forkboy84 posted:I was trying to find a jokey take on the dumb horse shoe theory that someone posted on Twitter months ago, but instead I've found myself wading through reams of insane shite. People who talk about Horse Shoe Theory sincerely on Twitter are loving unhinged. There's one poster, a furry propertarian (because of course he is), who can't tweet about anything else. I think CSPAM has collected a few of the funny horseshoe images in the picture thread, maybe check there?
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Cerv posted:They're poo poo. loving fake presidential nonsense Sort of agree. They work in the context of a presidential system but ours is obviously not that. That said, we've moved away from government by cabinet so I don't think they are that terrible, and they do serve a purpose. Honestly, the worst part is they are just loving depressing. It's like watching Question Time but instead of a backbencher & a minor cabinet member & Kelvin Mackenzie, it's the leaders of all the major parties. End result is the same. But if it's a chance of May looking bad? gently caress it, do it. Need every little bit of held we can get. namesake posted:Nah. Only those consciously trying to destroy a leftwing system should have to worry about that sort of thing, leftwing purity is belief in a form of process which can be changed, not the persons being which can't. Also USA incarceration rate is 743 per 100,000 while Stalins was estimated at 800 so depending where you put the USA, centrism can easily fall into 'putting people into camps until they fail' as well. Actually found it but it wasn't as funny as I remembered. But it did have the general gist of Communism in the middle & Liberalism & Conservatism as the 2 extremes, with Fascism magically floating in between, & explanations why. Mostly it was good for mocking the idea rather than anything else. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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Debates should happen between leaders because if they can't stand behind a podium for and hour and a half, speaking for maybe half an hour of that answering fairly obvious questions about current political issues and dealing with the best criticisms that their opposition in the HoP can offer then they're likely to be extremely poor leaders in a political and organisational sense.
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Cerv posted:They're poo poo. loving fake presidential nonsense I think if the format was a little looser and a little longer it could be really interesting, especially as I dont think members of the various parties actually really debate stuff all that often. potentially it would be interesting to see where the was common ground between parties and try to move towards a more co-operative form of governance. but I am a hopeless idealist sometimes
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blowfish posted:it's more accurate than you think, because both left and right extremism run into the problem of having to deal with the 95% of people who are not ideologically pure enough I feel the need to point out that the right-wing has near consistently had more of a problem with 95% of people not being genetically pure enough
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Doesnt corbyn get to debate may literally every single week on tv?
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hakimashou posted:Doesnt corbyn get to debate may literally every single week on tv? Hmmmmmmmmm, is there a difference between on at midday on a work day and primetime? Gosh, I just don't know what it might be.
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Read an article from The Independent that Corbyn is going to retain power (or at least thinks he is) if they go down in embarrassing defeat. Surely the universe can't be that hilarious.
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forkboy84 posted:Hmmmmmmmmm, is there a difference between on at midday on a work day and primetime? Gosh, I just don't know what it might be. Not to mention that May literally has her answers scripted for her, is under zero obligation to answer the question asked, and is backed up by a few hundred braying groupies. Oh, and the whole thing is watched by very few people and only delivered to the public through biased newspaper 'verdicts' about who had the best sick burn. Arkane posted:Read an article from The Independent that Corbyn is going to retain power (or at least thinks he is) if they go down in embarrassing defeat. Surely the universe can't be that hilarious. The fewer MP's Labour has, and the more of the old guard that refuse to stand again, the easier it will be for a left-winger to run for leader even if the rules don't change. There's always a silver lining. jabby fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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hakimashou posted:Doesnt corbyn get to debate may literally every single week on tv? prime minister's questions is not really a debate in any meaningful sense
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jabby posted:Not to mention that May literally has her answers scripted for her, is under zero obligation to answer the question asked, and is backed up by a few hundred braying groupies. Oh, and the whole thing is watched by very few people and only delivered to the public through biased newspaper 'verdicts' about who had the best sick burn. So pretty much exactly like the leaders' debates, then.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:What's your fave Walkers crisp flavour lads? Proclaiming their Britishness loudly and in the UKIP colours. Up against the wall, motherfucker.
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NRVNQSR posted:So pretty much exactly like the leaders' debates, then. They tended to boost Miliband and Sturgeon in popularity, though. Something Captain Unpopular could rather do with, and that he tended to do during "undecided" audiences during leadership debates.
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i think if the leaders debates were 2 hours long or more and they had the opportunity to speak for longer (also reduces likelyhood of everything being scripted) then the debates would be much more productive.
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forkboy84 posted:a furry propertarian (because of course he is) Furrys in general are unhinged
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JFairfax posted:i think if the leaders debates were 2 hours long or more and they had the opportunity to speak for longer (also reduces likelyhood of everything being scripted) then the debates would be much more productive. Like I've said tho May can't even stick to the script for simple questions, she literally shits herself at the first sign of a full sentence that isn't a soundbite.
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JFairfax posted:i think if the leaders debates were 2 hours long or more and they had the opportunity to speak for longer (also reduces likelyhood of everything being scripted) then the debates would be much more productive. You know people will be moaning if they take off the Soaps for the Debates like they do for the footie
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:You know people will be moaning if they take off the Soaps for the Debates like they do for the footie Have 'em arguing in the background at the Queen Vic imo.
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Jedit posted:Proclaiming their Britishness loudly and in the UKIP colours. Up against the wall, motherfucker.
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JFairfax posted:prime minister's questions is not really a debate in any meaningful sense Are tv political leaders' debates though? Memories of Ed Milliband's big googly eyes staring insanely into the camera and addressing the audience at home in 2015 swirl through my head. hakimashou fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Furrys in general are unhinged Furries are funny but harmless (so long as they aren't one of the ones that fucks actual animals). Propertarians? Also hilarious, and while unlikely to ever actually put their deranged ideas in power because they are all total loving dorks who just yell about the NAP when someone kicks them in their balls, still far worse than being a furry.
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