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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I've never had a team face relegation before. If (let's be honest - when) Swansea is relegated, how will I be able to watch them in Canada?

As an aside, if someone could explain how this team completely fell apart, I'd love to hear it! Best Welsh football team in history at the Euros, and the Swans traded away the captain! I know Williams is just a symptom but that really surprised me.

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birds
Jun 28, 2008


Sometimes you will be able to find a stream online but other times the game will not be broadcasted.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Frosted Flake posted:

I've never had a team face relegation before. If (let's be honest - when) Swansea is relegated, how will I be able to watch them in Canada?

As an aside, if someone could explain how this team completely fell apart, I'd love to hear it! Best Welsh football team in history at the Euros, and the Swans traded away the captain! I know Williams is just a symptom but that really surprised me.

american owners

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Jose posted:

american owners

Preventing that was the whole point of the Trust!

Look what foreign ownership did to Cardiff. Red kit with a dragon because it's a lucky colour in Malaysia.

Gigi Galli
Sep 19, 2003

and then the car turned in to fire

Frosted Flake posted:

I've never had a team face relegation before. If (let's be honest - when) Swansea is relegated, how will I be able to watch them in Canada?

As an aside, if someone could explain how this team completely fell apart, I'd love to hear it! Best Welsh football team in history at the Euros, and the Swans traded away the captain! I know Williams is just a symptom but that really surprised me.

Guidolin is a "project" manager who can't pull off one season of instant progress, let alone half a season. Sacking him was foolish. Anyone looking at his track record would see that the times when he had more than a single season to work with (Vicenza, Parma, Udinese) resulted in very good results (Coppa Italia victory, promotion, consistent CL qualification). He would've kept Swansea up imo.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

Jose posted:

american owners

Frosted Flake posted:

Preventing that was the whole point of the Trust!

Oh boy oh boy...

1) The American owners are only partly at fault for the current state of the club, and that part is the appointment of Bob Bradley. And considering Huw Jenkin's choice for new manager at the time was Ryan loving Giggs I don't think it played a decisive role.

2) The Trust never held any meaningful power. With only a ~20% stake in the club they could only sit by and watch as the majority shareholders (Martin Morgan, Martin Morgan's wife, a few Dutch businessmen, failed builder's merchant Huw Jenkins and vending machine salesman oval office Leigh Dineen) sold up their shares and voting rights (the Yanks now hold a controlling 75%, they can do whatever they want now).

At least they should have been able to sit by and watch, but the selling parties deliberately kept the deal hidden until the very late stages, in part due to the betrayal of Huw Cooze (the Fan's Trust representative on the board at the time) who is Huw Jenkin's drinking buddy & away trip bff, who kept things all hush hush (while receiving a paycheque from both Trust and football club. No one considered that might represent a conflict of interest).

Rumour has it during negotiations a Chinese consortium approached with an offer to buy that would have involved significant investment into the area (as opposed to literally none) but wasn't as lucrative to the sellers. So they were told to gently caress off.

blue footed boobie
Sep 14, 2012


UEFA SUPREMACY

sassassin posted:

Oh boy oh boy...

1) The American owners are only partly at fault for the current state of the club, and that part is the appointment of Bob Bradley. And considering Huw Jenkin's choice for new manager at the time was Ryan loving Giggs I don't think it played a decisive role.

2) The Trust never held any meaningful power. With only a ~20% stake in the club they could only sit by and watch as the majority shareholders (Martin Morgan, Martin Morgan's wife, a few Dutch businessmen, failed builder's merchant Huw Jenkins and vending machine salesman oval office Leigh Dineen) sold up their shares and voting rights (the Yanks now hold a controlling 75%, they can do whatever they want now).

At least they should have been able to sit by and watch, but the selling parties deliberately kept the deal hidden until the very late stages, in part due to the betrayal of Huw Cooze (the Fan's Trust representative on the board at the time) who is Huw Jenkin's drinking buddy & away trip bff, who kept things all hush hush (while receiving a paycheque from both Trust and football club. No one considered that might represent a conflict of interest).

Rumour has it during negotiations a Chinese consortium approached with an offer to buy that would have involved significant investment into the area (as opposed to literally none) but wasn't as lucrative to the sellers. So they were told to gently caress off.

What exactly happened that Swansea went from the model of a well-run club to a total clown car? I've never exactly understood the disconnect.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

Gigi Galli posted:

Guidolin is a "project" manager who can't pull off one season of instant progress, let alone half a season. Sacking him was foolish. Anyone looking at his track record would see that the times when he had more than a single season to work with (Vicenza, Parma, Udinese) resulted in very good results (Coppa Italia victory, promotion, consistent CL qualification). He would've kept Swansea up imo.

Guidolin was an excellent manager who produced top half form with a shitshow of a squad last season, and was rewarded with a weakened squad and a sacking by text on his birthday.

Then they held the press conference to announce Bradley in the lobby of the hotel Guidolin was staying at. Guidolin came home from a bikeride, said hello to some people he knew, and then was escorted from the premises.

He would have kept us up (it'd not like it would have taken more than a few points this season), but at the same time he was never going to be given the kind of control needed to run his own project. Huw Jenkins does all the transfer dealings because obviously he's so loving good at it.

He got to bring in an ex-Inter Milan fitness coach and an assistant or two with bags of experience (including former Chelsea winger Ambrosetti as translator), and it was about two weeks before stories were being leaked to the Welsh media about how they were poo poo and ignoring all the expert advice of the second year sports science students the club is employing.

TheBigAristotle
Feb 8, 2007

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.

Grimey Drawer
Jack Wilshere is gonna get real fat when he's out of football. Unless he steps up his smokes game to keep a slim figure

chuggo is BACK
Jul 1, 2008




"Chuggo"

PWM POTM December 2014
Huw Cooze

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost

sassassin posted:

Oh boy oh boy...

At least they should have been able to sit by and watch, but the selling parties deliberately kept the deal hidden until the very late stages, in part due to the betrayal of Huw Cooze (the Fan's Trust representative on the board at the time) who is Huw Jenkin's drinking buddy & away trip bff, who kept things all hush hush (while receiving a paycheque from both Trust and football club. No one considered that might represent a conflict of interest).

drat, thought you were using a rivals.com pun in anger but that's that guy's real name lol

efb Chuggo :argh:

sticksy fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Apr 19, 2017

blue footed boobie
Sep 14, 2012


UEFA SUPREMACY
Is Huw pronounced the way Hugh would be in a first world country?

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

blue footed boobie posted:

What exactly happened that Swansea went from the model of a well-run club to a total clown car? I've never exactly understood the disconnect.

I'm getting the sense that building the team and Welsh football and fan involvement and ownership all went away as soon as people saw the opportunity to cash in. Who knows how long it will take to get back up? Cardiff might be back in the Premier League before Swansea is again.

At least in Cardiff they started to listen to the fans, eventually. They even brought back the colours and the crest.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
The actual event that led to the downfall of Swansea City was ironically the signing of Wilfried Bony.

Laudrup wanted Aubameyang instead.

Big Wilf's success led to Jenkins taking over transfer duties completely, and so in a struggling league season Laudrup got Marvin Emnes and David N'Gog as January reinforcements. Garry Monk wanted a new left back and got a fat lazy French winger. A succession of Ayews. Kyle Naughton. Leroy Fer.

Blue Star Error
Jun 11, 2001

For this recipie you will need:
Football match (Halftime of), Celebrity Owner (Motivational speaking of), Sherry (Bottle of)

Frosted Flake posted:

I've never had a team face relegation before. If (let's be honest - when) Swansea is relegated, how will I be able to watch them in Canada?

You'll have to get used to the joys of local radio commentary

Brony Car
May 22, 2014

by Cyrano4747

Frosted Flake posted:

I'm getting the sense that building the team and Welsh football and fan involvement and ownership all went away as soon as people saw the opportunity to cash in. Who knows how long it will take to get back up? Cardiff might be back in the Premier League before Swansea is again.

At least in Cardiff they started to listen to the fans, eventually. They even brought back the colours and the crest.

Cardiff will be back and kick rear end. Vincent Tan rules and got rid of that bigot Malky Mackay.

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010
Swansea and Cardiff have no place in the EPL

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





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Breath Ray posted:

Swansea and Cardiff have no place in the EPL

What about the BPL?

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



It's the premiership

Ewar Woowar
Feb 25, 2007

Was Malky the one that said something about gay snakes?

Or was that Dave Whelen? I know Dave Whelen said he called his Asian friends Ching-a-Lings and they liked it.

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
Fun Shoe

Ewar Woowar posted:

Was Malky the one that said something about gay snakes?

Or was that Dave Whelen? I know Dave Whelen said he called his Asian friends Ching-a-Lings and they liked it.

yeah, that was Mackay

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010
A picture entitled Black Monopoly (where every square was a "Go to Jail" square)

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo


Feels like a miss to not have the team of the year line up with a back 3.

Also, literally the best defence in the league and neither Vertonghen or Alderweireld are there.

MrBling fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Apr 20, 2017

tarbrush
Feb 7, 2011

ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO
Yeah, I'd comfortably swap one of the spurs fullbacks for Azpi/Alonso and dump Cahill for Alderwiereld

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
Spurs back three with Chelsea's wingbacks would be better.

RideTheSpiral
Sep 18, 2005
College Slice

sassassin posted:

Spurs back three with Chelsea's wingbacks would be better.

its insane that this isn't it

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Has aguero ever made the team of the season?

Ninpo
Aug 6, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
No Zlatan or Tony V, smdh

Shrapnig
Jan 21, 2005

Ninpo posted:

No Zlatan or Tony V, smdh

There were players better than both of them in their positions though.

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


MrBling posted:



Feels like a miss to not have the team of the year line up with a back 3.

Also, literally the best defence in the league and neither Vertonghen or Alderweireld are there.

No claudio bravo? smh

African AIDS cum
Feb 29, 2012


Welcome back, welcome back, welcome baaaack
Is Danny Rose really a good player now

Shrapnig
Jan 21, 2005

African AIDS cum posted:

Is Danny Rose really a good player now

He shouldn't be in the Team of the Year but he's pretty good.

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010
I made a punning thread about Danny rose some years ago can anyone find it. It was funny origional content so it was gassed within minutes but the op was pretty good iirc

Ninpo
Aug 6, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Shrapnig posted:

There were players better than both of them in their positions though.

Zlatan's first season in the league and his goals are the only reason United are still in sniffing chance of fourth.

I guess we'll have to disagree on Valencia. He's been great defensively and in attack all season and would have a lot more assists if we could finish more of the chances created ffs.

EvilHawk
Sep 15, 2009

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Klopp's 13pts clear thanks to video ref

Ninpo posted:

Zlatan's first season in the league and his goals are the only reason United are still in sniffing chance of fourth.

I guess we'll have to disagree on Valencia. He's been great defensively and in attack all season and would have a lot more assists if we could finish more of the chances created ffs.

Nobody's denying both players have been good for United but Zlatan isn't top scorer in the league and Valencia isn't the best player in any of his positions.

Shrapnig
Jan 21, 2005

Ninpo posted:

Zlatan's first season in the league and his goals are the only reason United are still in sniffing chance of fourth.

I guess we'll have to disagree on Valencia. He's been great defensively and in attack all season and would have a lot more assists if we could finish more of the chances created ffs.

Lukaku, Kane, and Alexis(who isn't in the team of the year) all have more goals.

Victor Moses has been as good, if not better than Valencia, and his team is in first place. I would have put Moses and Alonso ahead of Rose and Walker in a team of the season.

It's a much better team of the season than we usually see though.


sassassin posted:

Spurs back three with Chelsea's wingbacks would be better.

I like this, which probably means dropping Mane and moving Alli to where he is but 4-4-2 for lyfe apparently.

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo
https://twitter.com/SpursOfficial/status/855077437088178176

Get well Big Ugo. :(

EvilHawk
Sep 15, 2009

LIVARPOOL!

Klopp's 13pts clear thanks to video ref

One more thing on the TOTS: it's decided by the players. They have their own likes and dislikes, they have rivals (for example, I can't see the likes or Lloris or Courtois voting for De Gea and vice versa), there's tactical voting, etc. etc.

Tony Adams gave an interview a few years ago where he talked about the difficulties in not just selecting his team but getting the rest of the players to bother putting one together at all.

gtkor
Feb 21, 2011

I do think Danny Rose is right up there at this point, if not the best at his position in the league. Spurs look a lot stronger going forward against good teams and much more stable at back with him in there.

The last time Spurs really had trouble with someone in the league was at Anfield where Davies couldn't handle Mane. Rose is just much stronger both ways at this point.

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Dec 8, 2005


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tarbrush posted:

Yeah, I'd comfortably swap one of the spurs fullbacks for Azpi/Alonso and dump Cahill for Alderwiereld

Personally I would go Danny Rose / Alderwiereld / Luiz / Moses

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