CanPol Megathread: Big Changus

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infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Baronjutter posted:

Why does pride even need to be a huge big expensive event? Why can't it just be what ever size it can naturally be while self-funding and focusing on the event being both a celebration of and agitation for gay rights?
The last pride's I've been to have been a bunch of corporate floats/vehicles rolling by while handing out coupons and promoting their business, a tiny minority of floats actually having much to do with the gay community or pushing any boundaries or agitating for any sort of political change, then a big outdoor festival with entertainment stages, beer gardens, and vendor booths. If no one told me it was pride I'd think it was just some generic local business and corporate funded summer fun party.

it's a fun and very popular event, but it's almost a victim of it's own popularity and universal mainstream appeal.

This is pretty much my opinion on the matter, but I'm not a member of the LGBTQ community, and I don't know how much Pride Toronto can accomplish through self-funding. It's very expensive to hold any kind of event in Toronto, and while it's much easier to raise funds through online donation systems these days, I imagine there are additional logistical challenges involved when you don't have a stable funding source to plan around.

# ? Apr 19, 2017 22:53

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# ? May 14, 2024 02:29

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

Baronjutter posted:

Why does pride even need to be a huge big expensive event? Why can't it just be what ever size it can naturally be while self-funding and focusing on the event being both a celebration of and agitation for gay rights?
The last pride's I've been to have been a bunch of corporate floats/vehicles rolling by while handing out coupons and promoting their business, a tiny minority of floats actually having much to do with the gay community or pushing any boundaries or agitating for any sort of political change, then a big outdoor festival with entertainment stages, beer gardens, and vendor booths. If no one told me it was pride I'd think it was just some generic local business and corporate funded summer fun party.

it's a fun and very popular event, but it's almost a victim of it's own popularity and universal mainstream appeal.

Pride Toronto is one of the biggest LGBT events in the world and is a tourist draw so stripping its public funding and hoping that it will remain as popular and successful as it is would be an interesting gamble.

Obviously there are a bunch of squares on Council who would be totally fine with Pride disappearing completely so stripping its funding is no problem for them.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 01:06

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

So Canada has merit based immigration, we want the best and brightest, people with funds to start businesses, and people with language skills. Two of three major urban centres have 15% taxes for non-residents. So yes we welcome immigrants with open arms, but want them to rent or lease in these urban areas until they can be deemed residents :raise:

# ? Apr 20, 2017 14:53

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

It's 15% you loving retard. If you can't afford that then don't buy a loving house

# ? Apr 20, 2017 15:00

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

The alternative is having a bunch of yuan percenters turn housing developments into whatever the hell Vancouver is now that's made it so nobody who works there can afford to live there. I'm okay with this change.

e: yeah I also agree with CI yet again, if they're doing it to dump ridiculous amounts of cash 15% is probably not high enough.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 15:03

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

namaste faggots posted:

It's 15% you loving retard. If you can't afford that then don't buy a loving house

People with illicit money don't care about a 15% tax when our market appreciates 20% a year. Converting black money to legit at a 15% tax is a crazy good deal.

15% is absurdly low given they are trying to stop speculation.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 15:08

ocrumsprug: Sep 23, 2010; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Risky Bisquick posted:

So Canada has merit based immigration, we want the best and brightest, people with funds to start businesses, and people with language skills. Two of three major urban centres have 15% taxes for non-residents. So yes we welcome immigrants with open arms, but want them to rent or lease in these urban areas until they can be deemed residents

Oh no, you will need to rent for a year until your PR paperwork arrives. It's basically a new Warsaw ghetto.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 15:10

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Man I hope Winnipeg becomes the next hot market so I can dump my house in a few years, pocket half a mil and use it to supplement my income while I go work a much lower paying but much more interesting job.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 15:11

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Risky Bisquick posted:

So Canada has merit based immigration, we want the best and brightest, people with funds to start businesses, and people with language skills. Two of three major urban centres have 15% taxes for non-residents. So yes we welcome immigrants with open arms, but want them to rent or lease in these urban areas until they can be deemed residents

Any immigrant couldn't afford a house in Vancouver or Toronto anyways so what's the difference? Also you can get citizenship 4 years after immigration. Also it's stupid to buy a house in a country you aren't a citizen of.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 15:11

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

Risky Bisquick posted:

So Canada has merit based immigration, we want the best and brightest, people with funds to start businesses, and people with language skills. Two of three major urban centres have 15% taxes for non-residents. So yes we welcome immigrants with open arms, but want them to rent or lease in these urban areas until they can be deemed residents

Or maybe they could move somewhere that's not Vancouver, Toronto, or Montreal

# ? Apr 20, 2017 15:14

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

They are. The amount of immigrants settling in Winnipeg is astounding, especially folks from the Philippines. I can't wait for summer when they start applying for permits to shut down entire side streets for block parties because they always have kick rear end music and really good food at a decent price.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 15:15

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

TheKingofSprings posted:

Or maybe they could move somewhere that's not Vancouver, Toronto, or Montreal

# ? Apr 20, 2017 15:17

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Yes you too can live the dream of participating in the economic engine of the country by cramming your entire family into a basement suite and paying 60% of your after tax income in rent while working double shifts as a cleaner making minimum wage for Busy Bee cleaning the office buildings filled with piece of poo poo white 1%ers. Being an immigrant in Toronto is loving AMAZING!

I mean some people do the same poo poo here but at least their rent and commute isn't quite so loving stupid.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 15:27

mojo1701a: Oct 9, 2008; Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
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Risky Bisquick posted:

People with illicit money don't care about a 15% tax when our market appreciates 20% a year. Converting black money to legit at a 15% tax is a crazy good deal.

15% is absurdly low given they are trying to stop speculation.

When there are Chinese operations using Bitcoin to get their money out of China, you know they can afford a slight tax like 15%.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 15:35

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

You talk about Filipinos being awesome at parties and no mention of pig roasts

smh

# ? Apr 20, 2017 15:36

Mr Luxury Yacht: Apr 16, 2012

Risky Bisquick posted:

So Canada has merit based immigration, we want the best and brightest, people with funds to start businesses, and people with language skills. Two of three major urban centres have 15% taxes for non-residents. So yes we welcome immigrants with open arms, but want them to rent or lease in these urban areas until they can be deemed residents

It's absurdly easy to be considered a resident assuming you actually live here. Like, we're not even talking *Permanent* Resident, you just have to be considered a resident of Canada. I'm pretty sure if you filed Canadian taxes and were in Canada for like six months in that year, you're considered a resident, if not sooner that that.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 16:15

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

DariusLikewise posted:

Any immigrant couldn't afford a house in Vancouver or Toronto anyways so what's the difference?

Not all immigrants are fleeing poverty. Some are quite well-established in their careers, and are coming from other expensive areas.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 16:20

ocrumsprug: Sep 23, 2010; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Subjunctive posted:

Not all immigrants are fleeing poverty. Some are quite well-established in their careers, and are coming from other expensive areas.

Hopefully no one is asking me for sympathy for the immigrant moving to Vancouver having to pay 15% more for their 3 million dollar hovel.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:02

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

quote:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-bans-hiring-foreign-workers-for-29-high-skilled-jobs-1.4075684

Alberta bans hiring foreign workers for 29 high-skilled jobs

If successful, the initiative could be tried in other parts of Canada

Alberta companies looking to hire temporary foreign workers in one of 29 high-skilled job categories will be directed to a new service that will match them with qualified local workers.

The Alberta government initiative, believed to be the first of its kind in Canada, will be watched closely by the federal government to see if it can be implemented federally or in other provinces, federal Employment, Workforce Development and Labour Minister Patty Hajdu said in Edmonton Wednesday.

Patty Hajdu
Patty Hajdu, the federal minister for employment, workforce development and labour, joined her provincial counterpart, Christina Gray, at Wednesday's announcement in Edmonton. (CBC)
"We're always interested in good ideas, to reach that goal � to make sure that Canadians have the first shot at good paying jobs � and so we'll be following the progress of the pilot very closely and all of that data will help inform us, but we are certainly open to replicating it if it show success in Alberta," Hajdu said.

The job categories covered under the new employer liaison service include civil and mechanical engineers, plumbers, electricians, carpenters, construction millwrights and heavy equipment mechanics.

Under the 24-month pilot program, those job categories will be placed on a "refusal to process" list within the temporary foreign worker program.

Instead, any company seeking a permit to bring in a foreign worker in those job categories will be contacted by staff in Alberta Labour and directed to potential local hires.

Pool of unemployed workers

The job categories were selected because there is a sufficient pool of unemployed workers with those skills within Alberta.

The initiative was announced in Edmonton Wednesday by Alberta Labour Minister Christina Gray. Hajdu was also there.

Gray said the program will be evaluated every quarter and future adjustments could be made to the job categories covered by the initiative.

"The data we gather, as Minister Gray has just finished speaking about, is going to be essential in deciding at a federal level whether or not there's application in other provinces or other regions that are experiencing downturn," Hajdu said.

"The focus of the federal government with the temporary foreign worker program is always to make sure Canadians have the first crack at available jobs, and then after that is done, then to look at supporting employers with prolonged labour shortages in very specific areas."

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:05

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Subjunctive posted:

Not all immigrants are fleeing poverty. Some are quite well-established in their careers, and are coming from other expensive areas.

I would wager that most banks wouldn't approve a mortgage for a new landed immigrant until they have 6 months at least in the country. Again the 15% foreign tax is a complete non-issue for immigrants.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:07

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Skilled labour. Yes. That's the problem with the TFW program, is that it's taking up entirely too many jobs that don't involve coffee or soy-chicken sandwiches.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:07

Femtosecond: Aug 2, 2003

DariusLikewise posted:

I would wager that most banks wouldn't approve a mortgage for a new landed immigrant until they have 6 months at least in the country. Again the 15% foreign tax is a complete non-issue for immigrants.

I think this scenario is the bread and butter for mortgage investment corporations (MIC). A wealthy immigrant that shows up wanting to buy may have nowhere near enough documentation to make one of the big banks comfortable enough to lend, but they can get a very short term, high interest mortgage from a MIC, then later on once they're more established get a regular mortgage with a sensible normal interest rate.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:20

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

If someone has the capital for that type of mortgage they are not worried a 15% foreign buyer tax

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:25

peter banana: Sep 2, 2008; Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

Couldn't new immigrants just rent for a year until they get their PR to avoid the tax? You know, the way that literally millions of residents and citizens of this country rent, for many, many years?

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:35

Femtosecond: Aug 2, 2003

DariusLikewise posted:

If someone has the capital for that type of mortgage they are not worried a 15% foreign buyer tax

Agreedo!

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:42

Mr Luxury Yacht: Apr 16, 2012

peter banana posted:

Couldn't new immigrants just rent for a year until they get their PR to avoid the tax? You know, the way that literally millions of residents and citizens of this country rent, for many, many years?

It's resident, not permanent resident. It's even less time than a year.

Like you pretty much just have to prove you live in Canada and aren't just visiting.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:49

Mad Hamish: Jun 15, 2008; WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.

Risky Bisquick posted:

TFW stuff

On the one hand, good, because too many businesses are abusing the TFW program.

On the other, I can't help but feel that this will somehow be used in a spectacularly racist way, it being Alberta and all.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 18:11

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

This may amaze you, but a lot of the people in Alberta looking for jobs are, in fact, already not white.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 18:50

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

DariusLikewise posted:

I would wager that most banks wouldn't approve a mortgage for a new landed immigrant until they have 6 months at least in the country.

Would citizenship matter? Does a citizen returning from abroad have to wait until they're a resident for tax purposes? (Which could be right away if they buy a house, I think.)

# ? Apr 20, 2017 18:53

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Quotes from news articles, so it doesn't apply to refugees or immigrants and exempts foreign students and skilled workers. I'm assuming since it's targeting foreign buyers that people with existing citizenship living abroad would be exempt as well.

quote:

The 15 per cent foreign buyers� tax won�t apply to refugees and immigrant nominees, and a rebate could be available for those who get citizenship later

The tax will have exemptions for skilled workers in the Ontario worker nominee program and refugees will be exempt. Anyone obtaining a permanent residency or Canadian citizenship within four years of purchasing their home would receive a full rebate of the NRST. Any international student enrolled full-time for at least two years would receive a full rebate. If you�ve worked in Ontario from the date of purchase of your home, you also get a full rebate.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:04

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Well seeing as we already have 'students' buying million dollar homes this 15% tax is basically going to do nothing.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:09

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

I don't really want to pay $1.2m for a floor of a triplex.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:20

Cocaine Bear: Nov 4, 2011; ACAB

I know you folks hate weed chat, so I'll be brief: So if drug tests that can differentiate between a join smoked an hour ago and one smoked a week ago aren't available, won't the proposed legislation to clamp down on intoxicated driving make it illegal for anyone who drives for a living-or drives at all for that matter-to smoke within a month of taking the wheel?

And if the tests are unreliable or overly subjective wouldn't it be pretty easy to challenge almost any charges?

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:29

MA-Horus: Dec 3, 2006; I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

cowofwar posted:

I don't really want to pay $1.2m for a floor of a triplex.

Oh living in the armit of the golden horseshoe has spoiled you bad.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:31

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

JoelJoel posted:

I know you folks hate weed chat, so I'll be brief: So if drug tests that can differentiate between a join smoked an hour ago and one smoked a week ago aren't available, won't the proposed legislation to clamp down on intoxicated driving make it illegal for anyone who drives for a living-or drives at all for that matter-to smoke within a month of taking the wheel?

And if the tests are unreliable or overly subjective wouldn't it be pretty easy to challenge almost any charges?

They would rely on roadside sobriety tests and the testing officers expert opinion. Remember that breathalyzer tests can and are be beaten in courts.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:31

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Risky Bisquick posted:

They would rely on roadside sobriety tests and the testing officers expert opinion

In other words, yes.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:32

Cocaine Bear: Nov 4, 2011; ACAB

So if an officer doesn't like you all they have to do is say "well, your honour, he looked tired and wasn't responding quickly, so he was high now throw him in jail"?

That seems bad. (on top of the implications of "enjoy the weed as long as you never drive")

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:42

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

You mean like what they do to Aboriginal people and minorities who "smell like pot" today? Yes I believe that's literally what Blair was going for.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:46

InfiniteZero: Sep 11, 2004; PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT; College Slice

JoelJoel posted:

So if an officer doesn't like you all they have to do is say "well, your honour, he looked tired and wasn't responding quickly, so he was high now throw him in jail"?

That seems bad. (on top of the implications of "enjoy the weed as long as you never drive")

The accused is charged with listening to Mastodon in a residential 50 kmh zone.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:48

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# ? May 14, 2024 02:29

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

So I guess Trump wants a full-on trade war with Canada now? Woo?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-bloomberg-dairy-trump-1.4077625

quote:

"Canada ... what they've done to our dairy farm workers is a disgrace. It's a disgrace," he said. "Rules, regulations, different things have changed, and our farmers in Wisconsin and New York state are being put out of business."

But Trump didn't stop there, also raising "what's happening along our northern border states with Canada, having to do with lumber and timber."

"NAFTA, whether it's Mexico or Canada, is a disaster for our country. It's a disaster. It's a trading disaster," he said, saying his office would be "reporting back sometime over the next two weeks" on what it's going to do about the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Trump continues to promise his supporters that he will renegotiate a better deal.

"We can't let Canada or anybody else take advantage and do what they did to our workers and to our farmers," he said.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:51

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