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Waffleman_ posted:https://twitter.com/CarmenSandiego/status/854403661912518657
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Apr 20, 2017 03:29
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quote:The most well known iteration was the animated series Where on Earth Is Carmen Sandiego?, which aired on Fox from 1994 to 1999 Really? The most well known iteration is the one that did not feature Rockapella (whom I learned when talking about this with a friend of mine, are still performing)? I didn't even know there was an animated series on Fox.
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Apr 20, 2017 17:56
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raditts posted:Really? The most well known iteration is the one that did not feature Rockapella (whom I learned when talking about this with a friend of mine, are still performing)?  It's the one I grew up with. Just one of those things where it's all about when and where you grew up that makes one thing more notable over another.
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Apr 20, 2017 18:44
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To me, both Carmen shows ran roughly at about the same time. The only notable thing was that the game show was on public television and used the license as a framing device for a geography quiz, while the other one was basically an animated drama that balanced world facts with the DEEPEST LORE elements. Basically, the quiz show was spiritually true to the actual computer games, while the cartoon was more of a character serial trying to invent a semi-plausible fiction. The latter had a harder hill to climb since the games were always very goofy and light on details when it came to that stuff. (Oh no, Carmen stole an ancient castle... somehow.) I mean, the Apple II game didn't even bother to give Carmen a visually distinctive sprite. Every thief including Carmen herself looked like a squat cloaked figure based on the Spy vs Spy comic. The entire "look" for Carmen is based on the box art, in much the same way that people thought Mavis Beacon was a smiling sunny black woman on the box, and not the name of a company. And in the "where in Europe..." box she didn't even wear red. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Apr 20, 2017 20:02
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Can't the new cartoon lift from both I think the tv show was a little more memorable, really, so I demand MY nostalgia be catered to (not really, but maybe a shoutout here or there would be nice)
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Apr 20, 2017 20:06
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Also I guess I should explain this here for the benefit anyone under the age of 25: Before the franchise really took off, when you were very little or maybe not even born yet, Carmen Sandiego games were one of the few that actually used real photography for their box covers. They all featured a woman whose face you couldn't quite make out under the fedora. (Her outfit wasn't also completely red yet, but anyhow...) "Where In Time" is the greatest one, and I believe the last one before they went to cartoon Carmen, since they actually have the woman riding a prop of the time-traveling hoverbike referenced in game, and its spewing dry ice fog everywhere while a bunch of guys dressed like Henry VIII and his friends look shocked and drop their goblets. The games were later repackaged for MacOS and Windows95 etc with new covers featuring the character associated with the FOX cartoon. So if your only idea of a Carmen cover art is a cartoon woman tipping her fedora like the m'lady guy, then you should go google for the old box pictures because they're amazing. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Apr 20, 2017 20:20
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DoctorWhat posted:6 million to make 104 episodes? How cheap is this animation gonna be? With 3D a lot of the costs are in assets and setting up. If they reuse a lot of stuff you can be really efficient without sacrificing animation quality too much.
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Apr 20, 2017 20:28
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Craptacular! posted:Also I guess I should explain this here for the benefit anyone under the age of 25: I remember those boxes as well as ones with the cartoon woman on them, but I'm almost positive they predated even the PBS show. I could be (probably am) wrong though. A google image search also taught me that there were console version of the Carmen Sandiego games. Imagine getting one of those fuckers on Christmas morning.
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Apr 20, 2017 20:32
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raditts posted:I remember those boxes as well as ones with the cartoon woman on them, but I'm almost positive they predated even the PBS show. I could be (probably am) wrong though. Well at some point they would want to revise the facts in the game since things like the demise of the Soviet Union were happening during the initial release. And at the same time the original ones were AppleII/DOS games on floppies, and rebuilding it for Mac System 7 and Windows9x on CDs meant recoding a whole lot. Photo box games -> PBS show -> Fox cartoon -> repackaged games is how I always remember it. Maybe the cartoon was based on the revised box, but I remember thinking, "oh huh, they got rid of the photo so kids who watch the show can identify it." Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Apr 20, 2017 20:38
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Craptacular! posted:To me, both Carmen shows ran roughly at about the same time. The only notable thing was that the game show was on public television and used the license as a framing device for a geography quiz, while the other one was basically an animated drama that balanced world facts with the DEEPEST LORE elements. Mavis Beacon was meant to be the name of the character on the box. They hired a model to photograph with purpose of giving the appearance of a human personality to their simple algorithms.
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Apr 20, 2017 21:02
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Craptacular! posted:The entire "look" for Carmen is based on the box art, in much the same way that people thought Mavis Beacon was a smiling sunny black woman on the box, and not the name of a company. What? Jack Gladney posted:Mavis Beacon was meant to be the name of the character on the box. They hired a model to photograph with purpose of giving the appearance of a human personality to their simple algorithms. WHAT? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP-hMSQEAE4&t=5s Oh my god I feel so stupid. I gotta go lie down... 
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Apr 21, 2017 07:46
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There was more to Carmen Sandiago than a cartoon? Well I'll be. Although I barely even remember that.
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Apr 21, 2017 09:07
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I played Where in the USA is Carmen Sandiego when I was a kid, but I didn't watch any of the TV shows. It was fun, mostly involving facts about state nouns and included state songs for background music where they had the rights, and the cartoon backgrounds were nice for the 1990s. I never played the other three two that were out at the time (World, Great Chase Through Time) and I might try them out someday.
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Apr 21, 2017 13:09
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TwoPair posted:What? It's okay. There comes a time in every 80's / 90's kid's life where they make this realization. If you do a Google Image search you'll notice that over time she transforms into different smiling black ladies. She's like a time lord. raditts fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Apr 21, 2017 16:18
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I had the Windows 95 game and watched the PBS show religiously, but I have almost no nostalgia attached to the Fox cartoon. One of my biggest memories of the game show is that it aired during the post-Soviet, post-Yugoslavia breakups, so they kept changing the European map every 6 months and I'd be like "wait, where did Bosnia and Croatia come from?" Anyway, if this reboot doesn't have Rockapella then they shouldn't even bother 
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Apr 22, 2017 02:48
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Didn't the Carmen Sandiego game show have kids win too much and they had to make it balls hard to make sure they didn't go bankrupt?
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Apr 22, 2017 03:06
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PhazonLink posted:Didn't the Carmen Sandiego game show have kids win too much and they had to make it balls hard to make sure they didn't go bankrupt? http://www.sbnation.com/2013/4/4/4174436/carmen-sandiego-africa-map Here's a read.
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Apr 22, 2017 03:11
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Yeah, the final round was brutal. I can probably count on one hand how many kids I saw actually win it.
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Apr 22, 2017 03:32
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I do miss the completely harebrained difficulty of vintage children's game shows. I can't think of a show where 94% of the episodes didn't end with the entirely dejected, miserable faces of the losing finalists while the announcer told them they didn't get the international cruise grand prize but they did win like a sketchers gift card or a goddamned savings bond.
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Apr 22, 2017 04:40
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The Silver Snail posted:I do miss the completely harebrained difficulty of vintage children's game shows. I can't think of a show where 94% of the episodes didn't end with the entirely dejected, miserable faces of the losing finalists while the announcer told them they didn't get the international cruise grand prize but they did win like a sketchers gift card or a goddamned savings bond. Similar to Waffleman_'s post, Jon Bois articles on Legends of the Hidden Temple are a good read too, and the second one offers a nice peek into the experience of a contestant on the show. http://www.sbnation.com/2013/2/27/4028998/legends-of-the-hidden-temple http://www.sbnation.com/2013/3/5/4064102/legends-of-the-hidden-temple-interview
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Apr 22, 2017 04:53
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They can pull so much arbitrary bullshit on kid game shows because even if kids know a bunch of trivia, they don't know well enough to speak up or complain about the unfairness of it all. Like imagine if Ninja Warrior had temple guards who would randomly take you out of the competition, maybe at like the third level where it's all about destroying the human body's physical capabilities. Nobody would stand for that.
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Apr 22, 2017 05:33
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In that day and age, being on national TV was a prize in and of itself. Now you can upload a video of yourself doing anything on YouTube and get statistics showing you that people from Utah to Uzbekistan are watching and how long they watched.
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Apr 22, 2017 05:37
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SlothfulCobra posted:Like imagine if Ninja Warrior had temple guards who would randomly take you out of the competition, maybe at like the third level where it's all about destroying the human body's physical capabilities. Nobody would stand for that. Well, I mean, American Gladiators.
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Apr 22, 2017 05:42
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That loving monkey statue on Legends of the Hidden Temple probably ruined countless childhoods. Imagine going to school the day after your episode airs and having to put up with every dipshit going "hurrr I totally could've put that head on right, you sucked."
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Apr 22, 2017 05:45
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Looks like they went back on going full hog with Cloudy, too. They still aired the movie and they're still airing the Cloudy bumps, but it's a usual schedule today.
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Apr 22, 2017 15:28
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Pakled posted:Similar to Waffleman_'s post, Jon Bois articles on Legends of the Hidden Temple are a good read too, and the second one offers a nice peek into the experience of a contestant on the show. Yeah, these are great, and likely I feel, illuminating of that industry as a whole. These shows were definitely not great for their contestants. The American shows, at least. I've seen a couple UK kid's game shows and it seems like they would have been a lot nicer to participate in. Knightmare never put the pressure of a family vacation on it's contestants, even if almost all of the kids wound up getting obliterated on set by blue-screen ghosts or at least shouted at by a man with a heavy cockney accent. For anyone who hasn't seen Knightmare, I really recommend taking a peek at it, it's the best kind of corny.
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Apr 22, 2017 17:29
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Waffleman_ posted:Looks like they went back on going full hog with Cloudy, too. They still aired the movie and they're still airing the Cloudy bumps, but it's a usual schedule today. I want to believe someone lost their job when they submitted that schedule.
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Apr 22, 2017 17:53
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It's a shame that Lynne Thigpen is no longer with us, when I think of Carmen Sandiego I think of The Chief both hosting the show and as the FMV talking head in the Windows 95 game.
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Apr 22, 2017 19:54
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Gaunab posted:I want to believe someone lost their job when they submitted that schedule. I feel like this weekend has to have been at least planned for a while, since they bothered to shoot all these bumpers. Something tells me this was a last minute decision like the decision to move from the all day Ben 10, only they had time to alter the guide schedules for this.
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Apr 22, 2017 20:34
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It's still a really dumb idea to schedule an all-day marathon block for a show with like 5 episodes in the can. I give it 3 months before Cloudy gets banished to Boomerang and we never hear from it again.
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Apr 22, 2017 22:05
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Benne posted:I give it 3 months before Cloudy gets banished to Boomerang and we never hear from it again. I actually feel like this fiasco with the weekend is the beginning of the end and it'll be gone by the end of May.
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Apr 22, 2017 22:06
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May as well crosspost this from the fanart thread:Acebuckeye13 posted:Also, apparently there was a gallery show for ~official~ Star Vs. The Forces of Evil fanart from people who work on the show, which someone collected into an imgur album. There's some pretty cool stuff in there if you're interested in the show, especially these standouts:
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Apr 23, 2017 03:59
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I love that Face the Music one
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Apr 23, 2017 05:56
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God, the best part of this weekend on CN is that you can tell they don't wanna waste the bumps they made, so they're still marketing the "EVERY EPISODE OF CLOUDY" thing when the Cloudy series has been on for maybe about an hour this entire weekend.
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Apr 23, 2017 18:14
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Waffleman_ posted:God, the best part of this weekend on CN is that you can tell they don't wanna waste the bumps they made, so they're still marketing the "EVERY EPISODE OF CLOUDY" thing when the Cloudy series has been on for maybe about an hour this entire weekend. on a quasi-related note, next week is gonna be the one with the least amount of TTG in a long time 
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Apr 23, 2017 18:24
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So did Dreamworks just hand CN money to try and force the Meatballs cartoon to be a thing? Because they could at least try to also do that dragons of berk failure or pay Nick for CN to have their panda cartoon because at least that one had effort put into it. On the bright side, I'm kind of curious about that captain underpants movie. And I'm actually amazed its still big enough to be made into a movie, like whatever it had during all those 90 book fair sales, it got completely shadowed by Harry Potter back in the day.
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Apr 23, 2017 18:42
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Meatballs is Sony Animation
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Apr 23, 2017 18:44
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Crabtree posted:On the bright side, I'm kind of curious about that captain underpants movie. And I'm actually amazed its still big enough to be made into a movie, like whatever it had during all those 90 book fair sales, it got completely shadowed by Harry Potter back in the day. Yeah, it's apparently still a thing, my 6 and 7 year olds got into it recently.
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Apr 23, 2017 18:45
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:Meatballs is Sony Animation Well that explains why this is such a bad idea now. Jesus, are they trying to kill what little intrest kids or whoever has for watching CN on the weekend? You know, the time kids actually have to do nothing but watch TV?
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Apr 23, 2017 18:46
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:on a quasi-related note, next week is gonna be the one with the least amount of TTG in a long time That's actually not that bad. And the Cloudy cartoon was made for Teletoon, it's just airing on CN first. Which explains everything, since it's a Canadian cartoon.
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Apr 23, 2017 18:47
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