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Discendo Vox posted:I am concerned that the HFC may have been brought to heel in the interim. Nothing makes a group of sociopathic extremists come to heel and back down like folding like a bitch right in front of them. The HFC just learned they can tell Trump to eat a cock with no drawbacks, they'll only be more uncontrollable now.
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Cost share reductions benefit literally only the poor that hang on the cusp of even making enough to qualify for the ACA, encouraging them to enroll in something other than carastrophic bronze plans by making co-pays and deductibles on the silver level an offer you basically can't refuse. The gun-to-your-own-head mentality of taking those plans, doing nothing to reduce premiums, and increasing co-pays from $5-10 to $50 and increasing deductibles from the $250-$1000 range up to $3000, when it would be glaringly obvious that you are doing it out of nothing but spite as a negotiating tactic, is a strategy so asinine that the only administration oblivious enough to consider it for more than a blink currently holds all the power that matters in the world.
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Fulchrum posted:Nothing makes a group of sociopathic extremists come to heel and back down like folding like a bitch right in front of them. I don't know how that can last if Trump fills the GOP machine with loyalists https://secure.politico.com/story/2017/04/trump-republican-party-takeover-states-237075 Local GOP machines could make things difficult for FHC members.
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clockworkjoe posted:I don't know how that can last if Trump fills the GOP machine with loyalists https://secure.politico.com/story/2017/04/trump-republican-party-takeover-states-237075 I think the Kochs might have a thing or 3 billion to say about that. They want to call the shots, not some populist chucklefuck wanna be dictator. Citizens United is the devil incarnate, but damned if the devil isn't able to sow discord in your enemies camp. Plus, institutional power is one thing, but Trump can't get rid of these guys without being able to sway voters against them. Which, again, the healthcare debate proved he can't do. This is Trump moving to conduct a power play without thinking ant part of it through. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Apr 15, 2017 |
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quote:“Face it, when you change the tax code someone’s ox is going to get gored,” Mr. Mulvaney said. I can't decide which is a more frightening prospect: their idea of healthcare reform or their budget Fulchrum posted:Nothing makes a group of sociopathic extremists come to heel and back down like folding like a bitch right in front of them.
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It's baaaaaaaack House GOP members are floating a new health plan. Here’s what’s in it quote:Republicans want to let states waive two key Obamacare provisions
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So the plan is basically repeal obamacare but only for red states?
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The hate for OBAMA!care is much too strong for this to simply lay down and die I guess. Sorry people in Red States if this somehow passesquote:This is the core set of medical services that the Affordable Care Act requires all insurers to cover, including things like doctor trips, hospital stays, maternity care, and mental health services. I wonder how many rubes they'll be able to get on board with "WHY I GOTS TA PAY FER WIMMENFOLK DOCTOR I AINT HAVIN NO BABIES!!!!"
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This is going nowhere and everyone should be happy Republicans insist on getting more airtime for their plan to destroy their base's healthcare.
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evilweasel posted:This is going nowhere and everyone should be happy Republicans insist on getting more airtime for their plan to destroy their base's healthcare.  Plus it's only going to stoke the fires of more town hall meeting fireworks.Speaking of which, apologies if this has been posted already, but I just stumbled upon the Town Hall Project, which has a map of scheduled town halls across the country. Seems like a handy resource. 
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"Tele-town hall" What the hell does that mean
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EugeneJ posted:"Tele-town hall" It's like a town hall and you advertise it as a town hall but you squelch any of that annoying dissent or non-prescreened questions.
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Badger of Basra posted:So the plan is basically repeal obamacare but only for red states? A lot of red state governors are smart enough to understand that pulling the trigger like that is a bad idea. It's just a fig leaf for congressional republicans to say they actually did repeal Obamacare. Poor people in Oklahoma are hosed though.
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EugeneJ posted:"Tele-town hall" My rep had one of those! Hardly anybody who signed up got the call and there were a bunch of stories in the paper about how everyone was mad at him 
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To be clear literally zero moderates who opposed Healthcaremageddon 1.0 have indicated their support for Healthcaremageddon 2.0. Public opinion has gotten even less favorable towards Healthcaremageddon 1.0 since its death. Despite that, Trump wants v. 2.0 passed by next week.
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Badger of Basra posted:So the plan is basically repeal obamacare but only for red states? That is to say, where these representatives are getting their votes from. If they could somehow just murder people in blue states, it would be so much easier.
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evilweasel posted:To be clear literally zero moderates who opposed Healthcaremageddon 1.0 have indicated their support for Healthcaremageddon 2.0. Public opinion has gotten even less favorable towards Healthcaremageddon 1.0 since its death. Despite that, Trump wants v. 2.0 passed by next week. On top of that the Tortilla Coast Teahadists (tm) now know that Trump will fold like a cheap suit
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They couldn't care less about what happens to the health care system as long as whatever they pass frees up money to go towards the tax cuts they want to pass afterwards. The healthcare and insurance needs for hundreds of millions of Americans are merely obstacles they desperately want out of their way so they can focus on the real prize of funneling even more money upwards to those who don't need it. If they can somehow get the requisite number of votes, by hook or by crook, they'd pass it in the middle of the night and go into hiding, waiting for everything to blow over until they can safely emerge and pass tax cuts tax cuts TAX CUTS! 
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Rhesus Pieces posted:They couldn't care less about what happens to the health care system as long as whatever they pass frees up money to go towards the tax cuts they want to pass afterwards. The healthcare and insurance needs for hundreds of millions of Americans are merely obstacles they desperately want out of their way so they can focus on the real prize of funneling even more money upwards to those who don't need it. Even if they manage to line up enough House Republicans to walk the plank the Senate is just going to kill it  .
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evilweasel posted:http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/329662-moderate-conservative-gop-leaders-say-they-are-nearing-healthcare-deal They're the dog that caught the car, only to have it back up and crush their skull.
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I get why HFC types need to keep going back to this well, but why on earth does the administration repeatedly make noises about it? They're never going to get a win and they'll just end up with another humiliation. Is it just that there isn't anyone interested in checking Trump's stupidity on this particular issue?
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Flip Yr Wig posted:I get why HFC types need to keep going back to this well, but why on earth does the administration repeatedly make noises about it? They're never going to get a win and they'll just end up with another humiliation. Is it just that there isn't anyone interested in checking Trump's stupidity on this particular issue? Checking Trump's stupidity is not good for your job security, and Trump has no concept of why this is a difficult policy issue for Republicans.
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Paul Ryan has convinced Trump that he needs to do obamacare repeal and replace before the "easier" goal of tax cuts and Trump is too stupid to realize that's complete bullshit.
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Zikan posted:Paul Ryan has convinced Trump that he needs to do obamacare repeal and replace before the "easier" goal of tax cuts and Trump is too stupid to realize that's complete bullshit. Ryan isn't saying that anymore. Trump just refuses to accept he lost.
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Boo, that was the funniest reason. Ryan blatantly lying on how the legislative process works and Trump eating it up because he's too stupid and incurious to learn was an amazing narrative.
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https://twitter.com/topherspiro/status/855067932623347712 Trumpcare: Metastatic cancer? Ooh, that's no good. Have you considered blowing your brains out?
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Rhesus Pieces posted:https://twitter.com/topherspiro/status/855067932623347712 So you add $4020 to those values to get the total cost per year?
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hobbesmaster posted:So you add $4020 to those values to get the total cost per year? Hopefully not "per month." So... anyone who has ever had a baby must pay $20,000 a year for health insurance for the rest of their life? I think that could make an Earth Mother join the "Childfree" crowd.
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I'm pretty sure the authors just looked up the additional yearly cost of treatment for people with diagnoses under that, per year. This is a fairly decent proxy for the additional premium for continuing chronic conditions, but don't try to put too much meaning behind the numbers (especially for the acute conditions, as those are generally not predictable in advance). Ignore the actual numbers, the "so what" of the chart is that allowing insurance companies to charge a cost-neutral premium would lead to ridiculous outcomes for people who are sick. esquilax fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Presumably they'd add those surcharges as soon as they can after getting sick. Or always if you're a woman before menopause.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:https://twitter.com/topherspiro/status/855067932623347712 I do not know how the GOP could even market this. The American people would crush under this, costs this high would crush our economy. Healthcare is the largest economic and hiring sector we have, and this would make it so no one would even enter a hospital..not just showing up to an ER instead, I mean actually never go to a hospital again and just stay at home and risk dying. Hours would get cut, people laid off, etc.
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Hastings posted:I do not know how the GOP could even market this. The American people would crush under this, costs this high would crush our economy. Healthcare is the largest economic and hiring sector we have, and this would make it so no one would even enter a hospital..not just showing up to an ER instead, I mean actually never go to a hospital again and just stay at home and risk dying. Hours would get cut, people laid off, etc. But it's great for the premiums of completely healthy people! Comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted, that's our motto! I guess that's a valid way to get your healthcare costs under control: never ever buy healthcare services no matter how badly you need it.
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Hastings posted:I do not know how the GOP could even market this. They don't seem to know how to market it either, judging by their unwillingness to hold a vote.
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*in extremely loud concern troll voice* oh no, i am very scared that the republican party is attempting to gently caress that 17% approval rating chicken again. please no
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well my insurance would only approximately double in price under that plan
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Hastings posted:I do not know how the GOP could even market this. The American people would crush under this, costs this high would crush our economy. Healthcare is the largest economic and hiring sector we have, and this would make it so no one would even enter a hospital..not just showing up to an ER instead, I mean actually never go to a hospital again and just stay at home and risk dying. Hours would get cut, people laid off, etc. People are overly optimistic about their health and won't realize it until the bill comes. I don't have heart disease. The doctor did tell me I had a heart attack that one time though.
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Hastings posted:I do not know how the GOP could even market this. The American people would crush under this, costs this high would crush our economy. Healthcare is the largest economic and hiring sector we have, and this would make it so no one would even enter a hospital..not just showing up to an ER instead, I mean actually never go to a hospital again and just stay at home and risk dying. Hours would get cut, people laid off, etc. Smart Republicans don't want this to even be introduced. Anything that warrants a CBO score is going to give them another gaping sore to deal with.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:But it's great for the premiums of completely healthy people! Comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted, that's our motto! no, you see, we are aiming for a form of insurance where no one person has to pay costs for any other person the contrary would be socialism
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