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It's probably obvious, but I was thinking about how logic is literally turned upsidedown in this universe. Sure, we can laugh at Matt and John for writing a book about Kevin. But, at least in Matt's case, why wouldn't he? Everything he's seen points to Kevin as a literal messiah. If he's a priest, what else is there to believe??
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They do pretty much state that point outright in the episode.
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Apr 20, 2017 02:54
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Escobarbarian posted:They do pretty much state that point outright in the episode. That's what I'm saying!
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Apr 20, 2017 04:18
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Last Chance posted:It's probably obvious, but I was thinking about how logic is literally turned upsidedown in this universe. Sure, we can laugh at Matt and John for writing a book about Kevin. But, at least in Matt's case, why wouldn't he? Everything he's seen points to Kevin as a literal messiah. If he's a priest, what else is there to believe?? There's nothing at all pointing to him being a messiah. He's clearly entangled with supernatural events, but the only person he saved in his supernatural excursions was himself. They've made the mistake of making the leap from "something supernatural is going on" to "something satisfyingly meaningful is going on", but there's no guarantee of the latter.
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Apr 20, 2017 06:19
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Yeah, they leap to the idea that Kevin is Jesus without thinking maybe he's just a Lazarus. Matt's very much the Locke of the show-- someone who, while correct that something supernatural and special is going on, leaps to unreasonable conclusions he can't be talked out of. An idea pops into his head about what might be true and he becomes convinced that it is, charging forward without regard for who could be hurt.
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Apr 20, 2017 06:36
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Apr 20, 2017 18:52
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Onomarchus posted:Why is everyone so bearded now? Visual shorthand, so that the characters don't have to constantly tell each other "Boy, things sure are different...3 Years Later..."
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Apr 20, 2017 19:03
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JethroMcB posted:Visual shorthand, so that the characters don't have to constantly tell each other "Boy, things sure are different...3 Years Later..." Also plays well with the religious overtones.
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Apr 20, 2017 19:10
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I really, really, really enjoyed that episode and cannot figure out what that last scene could mean.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:36
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Professor Shark posted:I really, really, really enjoyed that episode and cannot figure out what that last scene could mean. Dont worry, they'll answer all your questions just like Lost did.
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Apr 20, 2017 23:42
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Zarlog posted:Dont worry, they'll answer all your questions just like Lost did. This episode did give up a lot of stuff that could have been left unknown.
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Apr 20, 2017 23:45
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Lord Krangdar posted:I'm thinking the point of the "Sarah" part was to let us know from the beginning that the world is not actually ending in 13 days. The world already ended
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Apr 20, 2017 23:59
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Apr 21, 2017 00:07
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Kevin ruins all his relationships given time. He's not a bad person but he has mental issues he needs to get professional help with.
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Apr 21, 2017 00:08
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As much as I'm sad to see Dean go, it was a good way to show how Kevin has changed (or maybe just how far he could have gone in another direction, like Dean)
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Apr 21, 2017 00:23
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I've seen two different titles listed for the series finale: "The Book of Nora" and "A Full Explanation for The Departure That Is Both Physically and Religiously Satisfying". I'm not quite sure which one to believe...
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Apr 21, 2017 04:19
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No matter what happens the ending will piss a lot of people off. I wish I was that cool.
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Apr 21, 2017 04:56
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Invalid Validation posted:No matter what happens the ending will piss a lot of people off. I wish I was that cool.
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Apr 21, 2017 05:05
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Hey you know how The Leftovers was the best show airing in 2014? and 2015? It's still the best show airing, here, in 2017.
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Yeah it's really very good in a messed up LOST echo way and I love it
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Apr 22, 2017 00:11
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Damon Lindelof should try to adapt House of Leaves next.
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House of Leaves has been stuck in development hell for literal years at this point, and having actually read The Leftovers even season one kind of barely resembles the book outside the general overall plot points. It's more of a jumping-off point for Lindelof than a blueprint for the show.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:House of Leaves has been stuck in development hell for literal years at this point Wait, really? Who's behind the project?
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Wait, really? Who's behind the project? Don't remember. It was optioned for a movie and has, again, been stuck in development hell for I think at least this decade if not longer.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:House of Leaves has been stuck in development hell for literal years at this point, and having actually read The Leftovers even season one kind of barely resembles the book outside the general overall plot points. It's more of a jumping-off point for Lindelof than a blueprint for the show. Yeah, the book is really good but so, so different than what ended up on screen. I think really only Jill's story stayed true to the original text...they backgrounded all the stuff with Kevin and Amy, teasing but never committing, and Laurie's story/the GR obviously went in a wildly different direction. Oh, and we lost all the Spongebob Squarepants stuff with Nora, drat licensing issues.
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JethroMcB posted:Yeah, the book is really good but so, so different than what ended up on screen. I think really only Jill's story stayed true to the original text...they backgrounded all the stuff with Kevin and Amy, teasing but never committing, and Laurie's story/the GR obviously went in a wildly different direction. I am not sure who Amy is.
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UmOk posted:I am not sure who Amy is. Aimee, Jill's friend in season one who is written out completely unsatisfyingly and one of the very few things Season 1 does badly.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Aimee, Jill's friend in season one who is written out completely unsatisfyingly and one of the very few things Season 1 does badly. They really shortchanged her in every possible way in the show. She's just living at the Garvey's inexplicably all season then decides to go somewhere else, while the book makes it clear that she came from a kinda rough family situation that got even worse when her mom Departed, leaving her in the legal custody of a creepy, probably abusive stepdad. She and Kevin grow uncomfortably close as they both seek any kind of human connection - and as Book Kevin definitely does not look like Justin Theroux, he's a bit more receptive to a teenager flirting with him than he should be. I understand why they kept her on the show, because she drives/facilitates Jill's rebellious streak, but they kept a lot of extraneous traits that never paid off because they didn't explain who she was a person.
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JethroMcB posted:They really shortchanged her in every possible way in the show. She's just living at the Garvey's inexplicably all season then decides to go somewhere else, while the book makes it clear that she came from a kinda rough family situation that got even worse when her mom Departed, leaving her in the legal custody of a creepy, probably abusive stepdad. She and Kevin grow uncomfortably close as they both seek any kind of human connection - and as Book Kevin definitely does not look like Justin Theroux, he's a bit more receptive to a teenager flirting with him than he should be. I feel like in the show version of the story it doesn't fit for her mom to have departed. Especially since it seems intentional that the show is set up so that none of the main characters had any direct relatives/loved ones depart except for Nora. At least until we find out about Laurie's fetus at the very end of the season. If Dean could come back for one episode I wonder if Aimee or the twins would.
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When Kevin says something like, "Tin-foil hat or a Kenneth," is "a Kenneth" a reference to Kenneth, what is the frequency?JethroMcB posted:Oh, and we lost all the Spongebob Squarepants stuff with Nora, drat licensing issues. Huh? Do tell.
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Onomarchus posted:Huh? Do tell. Book Nora has an obsession with watching Spongebob as a way of remembering her kids, because it was part of their nightly pre-bed ritual. She watches it twice a day and then writes a letter to her children about the episode. There's a bit where Kevin, once they're dating, is kind of resentful that their "date nights" very rarely deviate from having dinner at home and then watching Spongebob on DVD - and that she's absolutely entranced by it, unresponsive to his advances, focused on the screen "As if Spongebob were a Swedish art film from the 1960s."
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UmOk posted:Did anybody say season 2 was bad? Pretty sure a lot of poster just said they like 1 better. Season 1 was hot garbage outside of like 3 episodes and that something as good as season 2 could possibly come out of it is a miracle in itself.
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Season 1 was such hot garbage that it got a second season and retained a loyal following going into that second season. Edit: vvv I'm just pointing out ridiculous hyperbole that's probably not even sincere and just meant as confrontational bait. Season 2 > Season 1. Longbaugh01 fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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I mean, I think most people got into it with season 2, after it was confirmed they fixed tons of the problems with s1. Certainly most I know who watch it. I don't think 1 is garbage but preferring it to 2 is absolutely straight-up insane.
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Longbaugh01 posted:Season 1 was such hot garbage that it got a second season and retained a loyal following going into that second season. Fine, it was mediocre. Season 2 by comparison was fantastic, not a single episode running off-beat.
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Confirmed: Season 1 of the Leftovers is literally on fire in a garbage can. Also, it was so bad that people that liked it are actual insane people with severe mental disabilities. This is fact, not opinion, so there is no reason to qualify it.
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Apr 23, 2017 13:36
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S1 = poop n piss
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Season 1 was the cold and stale leftovers of season 2.
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Was Season 2 any good? I was getting Chemotherapy when it was on because Season one LITERALLY gave me cancer.
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It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who liked season 1 over season 2 to enter the kingdom of God.
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