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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Would they be breaking any law? Probably not just an unusual situation. It wouldn't surprise me if a candidate acting in such a way as to increase support for another is against electoral rules.
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Coohoolin posted:Jedit, do you know if it's possible to find copies of planning applications at ACC after their active period if I have the application number? Almost certainly, if it's within the last seven years. I know you can find old applications on the Shire Council portal, City shouldn't be any different.
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Apr 20, 2017 15:12
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Have the SNP confirmed that Thompson will be deselected, she is still suspended but I was under the impression that they were planning on reinstating her membership due to the police investigation leading to nothing.
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Apr 20, 2017 15:37
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Venomous posted:Nah, Stirling. And yeah, all the references are there now, it's just a case of making sure everything's in place and it's formatted correctly and all that, as you say. Just don't drop your dissertation in the loch as you head to Pathfoot to hand it in like I did. That was a bad morning.
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Apr 20, 2017 15:44
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https://twitter.com/ScotTories/status/855014271939473408 Can anyone confirm if Joan Mcalpine's description is accurate?
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Apr 20, 2017 17:58
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Doesn't seem particularly contentious.
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Apr 20, 2017 18:12
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Are you not in the UK like Pissy? I'm just side-eying somewhat the implication that preggo = not running. I was surprised Thompson got the nomination from Edinburgh West in the first place to be honest considering the competition, so wouldn't have thought they'd have someone able to be lined up pretty quickly if need be. If not trying hard enough in an election led to investigations, thousands of paper candidates would be totally screwed, from all parties.
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Apr 20, 2017 18:28
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Acaila posted:Are you not in the UK like Pissy? It's not that I don't think a pregnant woman is capable of campaigning, I just think that it's a convenient excuse for standing down when the actual reason is you got punted by your party for potential fraudulent activities. "Want to focus on the health of my family, collapsing in Parliament was a shock, after speaking with doctors I have decided it would be best not to run for re-election, etc etc". But maybe she wants that redundancy, I could be totally wrong. In which case, fair play, them's the rules.
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Apr 20, 2017 18:35
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Fair enough, and thank you for clarifying. I think I might hide over here for a while. Catching up on UKMT is giving me a headache. I did get to explain postal and proxy voting today to some newly 18 year olds though, so that was nice.
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Apr 20, 2017 18:42
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I imagine the hospital hid the charity tins when she came in just in case.
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Apr 20, 2017 18:43
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Acaila posted:m I hope that didn't take longer than ten seconds.
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Apr 20, 2017 18:43
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Very much a mixture. They were all registered to vote, so that was good. One was saying she'd be off abroad when the election is so wouldn't be able to vote, hence bringing that up, and she had no idea she was able to vote in advance by post, though others were. Proxy voting was new to them overall. To be fair, I don't think I knew about it at that age either and I was an election geek then.
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Apr 20, 2017 18:56
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Acaila posted:I think I might hide over here for a while. Catching up on UKMT is giving me a headache. It's currently invaded by trolls, so yeah. Pissflaps is mild by comparison, at least his garbage spam is one line long and everyone with a brain should completely ignore it.
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Apr 20, 2017 18:58
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I think it's more that everyone has learned to ignore him, even if they don't have him on ignore! How are the council elections looking where everyone is? I'm in a new ward this year, and don't really know much about the candidates - only had leaflets from the SNP and an independent, who I realised is my bf's neighbour.
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Apr 20, 2017 20:49
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Acaila posted:How are the council elections looking where everyone is? I'm in a new ward this year, and don't really know much about the candidates - only had leaflets from the SNP and an independent, who I realised is my bf's neighbour.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:11
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Acaila posted:I think it's more that everyone has learned to ignore him, even if they don't have him on ignore! So far had leaflets from each of the 2 SNP candidates standing the ward, the Lib Dem, an independent whose leaflet looked like it had a dry smear of dog poo poo on it (not a metaphor, an actual brown smear. He probably dropped it in the mud) and read like it was from the BNP circa 2005, obsessed as it was about foreigners and paedophiles, and another from a much less unhinged independent who has been a local councillor for longer than I have been able to vote and generally seems OK. Other than that, seen a shocking lack of anything from Labour in the area, and the Greens have been disappointingly quiet.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:43
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The Glasgow Labour leaflet is also all about opposing Independence referendums. My partner is a candidate in Ayrshire, and their leaflet is all about the local area issues. Matt Kerr seems a good egg, but after that im likely voting green and snp.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:53
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I found this little toy somewhere which might be helpful for people to find their council candidates. Nothing too exciting in my neck of the woods, though there is a lone TUSC guy who I'll probably end up throwing one of my preferences to despite his entire online presence consisting of a facebook page where he occasionally shares something from the tusc page every couple of weeks.
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Apr 20, 2017 23:36
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Angepain posted:I found this little toy somewhere which might be helpful for people to find their council candidates. Oh, neat. So that's 2 people I used to work with who are running for Highland Council. Though I'd imagine the SSP candidate for Nairn probably as a smaller chance of winning than one of the sitting SNP councillors for the Black Isle. Also notable that Labour aren't even contesting every ward. Wonder if that's normal. They've never been a massive force in the Highlands, but from '97 to '05 the local MP was Labour so, dunno, sounds a bit odd. Guess rural areas aren't exactly Labour hotbeds though. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Apr 21, 2017 08:47
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Angepain posted:I found this little toy somewhere which might be helpful for people to find their council candidates. This is really interesting, thanks for posting it. Pity to see that my former councilor, Mhairi Hunter, is standing for re-election- I follow her on twitter and she comes across as the epitome of an irritating (and really rather dim) party hack. Maybe more interesting for the rest of you, there's something noticeable about the number of SNP candidates spread across Glasgow. I'm not all that up on the nuances of council elections, so not sure if there is a logic behind it besides expectations of number of seat they'll win, but the areas where they're putting up more candidates than anyone else seem to be either rich student areas (Hillhead, Partick East) or significantly deprived (and classically Red Clydeside) wards like Govan, Southside Central (which takes in Govanhill) Drumchapel, Garscadden Shettleston, Springburn, Calton, and East Central. Not that it's any surprise at this point, but it's indicative of just how much of their heartlands Labour have lost - and how much the whole debate there is now about nationalism, not class
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Apr 21, 2017 14:01
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On the General Election, there's a good number of socialist Labour members who are planning on running. I'm not too optimistic about their chances but when the time comes have a look at the Labour candidate and see if they're any good.
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Apr 21, 2017 16:08
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Niric posted:This is really interesting, thanks for posting it. Pity to see that my former councilor, Mhairi Hunter, is standing for re-election- I follow her on twitter and she comes across as the epitome of an irritating (and really rather dim) party hack. I know Mhairi she's a good egg and has been a good councillor. Despite party allegiances, the Labour councillor Soryia Siddique is also a fairly decent. I hope she is re-elected, I'll be ranking her highly on the ballot.
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Apr 21, 2017 16:24
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Depressing to think the Tories might do well, relatively speaking. I mean they only need to get two seats for it to technically be their best result since 1992, but if they end up ahead of Labour and LDs on seats they'd not be a joke party anymore.
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Apr 21, 2017 16:31
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My MP is Tommy Sheppard so I doubt I'll be voting Labour in the GE unless they get a properly solid candidate in place and significantly change their tune on the anti-Corbyn, tactical unionist guff. He deserves support for his work on Palestine alone.Niric posted:Not that it's any surprise at this point, but it's indicative of just how much of their heartlands Labour have lost - and how much the whole debate there is now about nationalism, not class I think its a bit of rosy view to say Scottish Labour campaigned on class, rather than on a lite version of Scottish nationalism mixed with anti-Toryism. The alarming thing isn't that the discourse has shifted, but that things haven't actually changed that much in spite of all the upheavals. Both the rhetoric and substance of the SNP is more similar to early/mid-2000's Labour managerialism than anything else. The role of the civil service, third sector and civic Scotland more broadly is important here. The frustrating thing about all of this is that the various failings of this kind of politics (economic timidity, reliance on apolitical forms of public sector governance etc.) is often attributed to generic "SNP incompetence" rather than the structural failings of modern liberalism, which is the actual source in many cases. The constitutional debate is now too heated and polarised to properly address this. None of this is to detract from the genuine gently caress ups, of course (CAP, Mesh implants, Police Scotland etc.) To take a quick example, does anybody really believe that Dugdale/Rennie would be enacting significantly more radical proposals on housing than LBTT/rent pressure zones/the 50k target and the rest? Even their calls from opposition are limited, an extra bump in certain forms of taxation or quibbling about whether 5,000 homes are for social rent or not. There are some areas of genuine disappointment, like local tax reform, but its impossible to imagine how Baillie, who was given an award by Scottish Labour for winning her seat despite campaigning explicitly against party policy, would be more radical than Mackay/Swinney.
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Apr 21, 2017 18:05
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Alertrelic posted:My MP is Tommy Sheppard so I doubt I'll be voting Labour in the GE unless they get a properly solid candidate in place and significantly change their tune on the anti-Corbyn, tactical unionist guff. He deserves support for his work on Palestine alone. ...you're planning to vote against labour because you support Jeremy Corbyn?
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Apr 21, 2017 18:09
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Pissflaps posted:...you're planning to vote against labour because you support Jeremy Corbyn? I'm voting SNP because Scottish Labour is terrible and don't deserve my vote. I might change my tune if they radically revise their position and put up a good candidate. Don't see why this is hard to grasp. Who are you voting for, Pissflaps? You don't seem to be a fan of the current Labour leadership. Presumably the Lib Dem resistance?
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Apr 21, 2017 18:25
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Alertrelic posted:I'm voting SNP because Scottish Labour is terrible and don't deserve my vote. I might change my tune if they radically revise their position and put up a good candidate. Don't see why this is hard to grasp. Seems odd that youre seemingly pro-Corbyn but on the other prepared to vote against his party? Not sure who I'm voting for currently favouring an independent.
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Apr 21, 2017 18:31
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Pissflaps posted:Seems odd that youre seemingly pro-Corbyn but on the other prepared to vote against his party? I'm sympathetic to Corbyn's project, plenty of people in the Scottish left are, and I could be convinced to vote for a strong Labour candidate on those grounds. I've also worked for the SNP, campaigned for a Yes vote, and remain a supporter of independence. Though I'd happily accept some form of federalist compromise. Somehow I don't think Scottish Labour's campaign will be aimed at people like me, they did hire the former political editor of the Daily Mail after all, but you never know. I'll stay optimistic.
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Apr 21, 2017 18:44
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Tommy Sheppard is also more Labour than most of Scottish Labour. I have no issues at all with anyone voting for him, and would probably do so myself depending on the other candidates. Seconding to check out your local candidates when the time comes - I'm seeing a lot of Cool and Good people talking about standing for Labour at the general. Deadline for applications was today, so will probably start to hear more fairly soon. Last GE the local Labour candidate was v much like the described candidates though. Also never replied to anything online. While Labour have had MPs up north in the past, they've also been desperate enough to ask me to stand for them like 3 times, so it doesn't really surprise me too much. Some of the ones they aren't contesting do surprise me though. I'm pretty sure my old CLP chair (as in former CLP now I'm down south, current chair still I think) ran for Aird and Loch Ness last time and now they've got nobody. I don't know the guy who is running for my old ward, which I find surprising, since it's not exactly a big place (and also since it's the Highlands, I know everyone obviously, or at least every single other candidate except the Tory)
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Apr 21, 2017 20:43
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I'm surprised that somebody 'more labour than labour' would end up in a centre left nationalist party.
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Apr 21, 2017 20:48
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Says a lot about Scottish Labour these days really.  I was surprised myself at him joining them, but it's certainly not due to any change in his opinions.McGarry is not going for Glasgow East for the Nats I hear. Whether that's indy or not at all, I don't know.
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Apr 21, 2017 21:09
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Pissflaps posted:I'm surprised that somebody 'more labour than labour' would end up in a centre left nationalist party. I'm surprised someone who has thousands of posts criticising the Labour leadership is so squeamish about the alternatives.
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Apr 21, 2017 21:10
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Alertrelic posted:I'm surprised someone who has thousands of posts criticising the Labour leadership is so squeamish about the alternatives. Nationalism does makes me squeamish.
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Apr 21, 2017 21:14
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Since we were all wondering about Natalie McGarry & Michelle Thompson and the chances of them going for re-election https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/855730515873329159
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Apr 22, 2017 12:45
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drat. Big loss to parliament.
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Apr 22, 2017 14:31
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https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/855883991324479488 It's always worse. Full poll drops tonight/tomorrow.
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Apr 22, 2017 21:46
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I preferred it when I could pretend Ruth Davidson was a fluke caused by people not realising she was a Tory.
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Apr 22, 2017 21:55
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I for one cannot believe that calling for a referendum after a pisstakingly short amount of time since the last one would result in a minor swing away from the SNP.
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Apr 22, 2017 21:58
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jBrereton posted:I for one cannot believe that calling for a referendum after a pisstakingly short amount of time since the last one would result in a minor swing away from the SNP. Yeah, but you're still talking about some big swings for Curtice's prediction to come right. The MP for Banff & Buchan had a 14,000 majority in 2015, for just one example of a seat talked about as on the Tory target list. And even in strongly anti-indy areas you'd be looking at the Unionist vote actively coming together behind the Tory candidate in a way which is hard to imagine Labour voter doing, even a lot of LibDem voters up here still hold their nose when it comes to the Tories. Granted, a fair amount of voters who weren't even alive when the Tories first got stripped of all their Scottish MPs in '97 and a lot more who remember nothing about that election. I'm not saying it's not possible, the independence referendum shook things up in ways that were impossible to foresee before it happened, Labour have died a death completely, but I'm just showing a reasonable amount of scepticism. 6 to 9 I can see, I just struggle to name 12 seats go Tory.
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Apr 22, 2017 22:06
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https://twitter.com/GrayInGlasgow/status/855891818109644804 Immediate thing that jumps out is 43% for the SNP. Which is even lower than the floor I gave them (44-45%). Usual caveat of it only being one poll but my guess is the Tories are just doing so drat well UK-wide that it's spilling over into Scotland. Of course, there's still a about a month and a half of campaigning to go and if Sturgeon is let into the UK-wide ITV debate then she could move the numbers like she did last time. Also remains to be seen how much money the Tories will want to throw at Scotland when they are aiming at 400+ UK-wide. As it stand though, things are looking pretty bad for the SNP in Scotland (weird times when winning 43% of the vote is considered bad for the SNP). EDIT: https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/855890726554652672 Now I'm just confused. Survation being so out of step with all the other pollsters nationally is kind of making me question them. But hey, they caught the late swing to the Tories in 2015 so perhaps there's method to the madness. Leggsy fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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