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Forcing the enemy team to concede after you had terminators and a drop pod dread wade through their army that lacked anti tank is pretty damned fun I must say.
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Download should be done in about 20 minutes. Anyone want to get some 2s or 3s going?
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Apr 21, 2017 22:35
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Played my first 3v3. Man my brain couldn't handle that much info. But lol at no one expecting my full regiment of boyz, shootas, and knobz to be hiding in the stealth terrain right next to a boyz shop.
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Apr 21, 2017 22:39
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Nasgate posted:Took me an entire match to realize you have to build multiple waagh towers to upgrade dem boyz tech. Cant wait to crush some humies. You and me both. Im the guy the other guy posted about just standing around in base doing gently caress all.
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Apr 21, 2017 23:13
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I wish the army painter was more customizable so I could create a truly disgusting patchwork of bright shiny colors. I played two 1v1s and a 3v3 so far. I won both 1v1s by just running to capture all the points asap and regrouping once I ran into the enemy. The 3v3 had so much poo poo everywhere i never really knew what was happening and no one talked the whole game we just kind of all did our own thing. I built off to one side and was little help most of the game until I killed the enemy base while they were in the middle a giant fight with my teammates. Are resources shared or do we just all get 1/3 of what's gathered? Seems a lot more like dawn of war one than two.
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Apr 21, 2017 23:27
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After 10 minutes I took the middle resource node in 3v3 that enemy scout had captured but there were no resource nodes built or a listening post. No one knows what they're doing and it's great. Anyone know if waagh towers buff allies? Spam building them is already good for defense and tech both. Also everyone's strategy seems to be "get 9 elite points" even in 1v1 so far.
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Apr 21, 2017 23:37
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I had my first real win with the orcs. (The eldar opponent sucked, but at least he did not give up upon losing his elite.) Gorgutz did good and the Morkonaut did well upon me summoning it for end game. (After my tank busters had done all the work. Twas a fun experience.
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Apr 22, 2017 00:26
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Are Ork Kommandos in this one at all? Or is Spookums spirit forever gone?
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Apr 22, 2017 00:27
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I can't find a match and there doesn't seem to be a skirmish mode for me to look at the game.
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Apr 22, 2017 00:39
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JBP posted:I can't find a match and there doesn't seem to be a skirmish mode for me to look at the game. I just had a match that really drove home why this new game mode (shield, turret, core) sucks. Both teams just sat around building poo poo after mid-game and never engaged at all. When my side was about to head over to a point and try to fight, I sent a deffkopta over to scout it out only to find it was full of eldar, marines, and a wraithknight. My allies saw this and just stopped cold. They then sat around with their thumbs up their asses and refused to move since they were afraid of a counter attack. The enemies did the same. I quit after 10 minutes of this bullshit. With unlimited resources, there's nothing really driving the players to attack the opponents shield, turret, and core other than the basic desire to win. Capture points, like in DoWII, kept the game going because players HAD to engage or lose the match. This poo poo just leads to a stalemate that isn't fun for anyone.
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Apr 22, 2017 00:47
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Just played my first 1v1, as space marines against eldar. My opponent seemed scared to go take resource points and also didn't really use the cover system or the concealment places. I'm completely new to multiplayer RTS stuff, but it was almost too easy. Even still, I did kind of like how the game felt. It does mix and match elements from the first two games, and it creates this really good feeling of momentum. Like at one point in the match I overextended a bit, after killing a turret, and he killed my whole army. He launched a counterattack and started trying to kill my listening posts. While he wasted time doing that, I built two devastators and picked off his hover tank thing, and started pumping out infantry to send at him. He moved to engage my forces... and my Imperial Knight whatever-her-name-is became available. I plopped her down behind his army and activated her "deploy and kill the poo poo out of everything in this arc" move that wiped out his army. After that I built up my forces, took on the remaining turret while he pushed his army into the other part of the map, and won the game while clicking every power and drop pod and whatever the hell else I could find. It was definitely fun, even though I know I was terrible.
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Apr 22, 2017 00:51
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Safety Factor posted:Nope! There's no AI skirmish option, even in custom games. Hope you like figuring out what everything does in live multiplayer matches. Yeah I just did that and quit in about five minutes because the map was dominated and I was being pulled apart while trying to understand what the buttons do.
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Apr 22, 2017 00:52
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Dandywalken posted:Are Ork Kommandos in this one at all? Or is Spookums spirit forever gone? There is a Kommando Nob as one of the Ork elites in the full game, but I don't think it's in the beta.
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Apr 22, 2017 00:56
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Safety Factor posted:Nope! There's no AI skirmish option, even in custom games. Hope you like figuring out what everything does in live multiplayer matches. If they have a huge army camping on a point... attack another point? Bombard them with artillery units? Even having one resource node more than your opponents will generate a very strong advantage with time.
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Apr 22, 2017 00:58
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Fetterkey posted:If they have a huge army camping on a point... attack another point? Bombard them with artillery units? Even having one resource node more than your opponents will generate a very strong advantage with time.
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Apr 22, 2017 01:06
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Safety Factor posted:We had all of those options and instead everyone just sat. Both teams. Mine even had a resource advantage and wouldn't engage because the enemy had a wraithknight. We had two morkanauts! There's no driving force here. No constant chipping away or time limit or points tally to worry about. I sincerely think this game would be improved by simply adding an alternate game mode with victory points like DoWII. Why they left such a simple thing out mystifies me. I fairly certain there will be an alt game mode. As Game mode is one of the things listed under finding matchs.
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Apr 22, 2017 01:11
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Safety Factor posted:We had all of those options and instead everyone just sat. Both teams. Mine even had a resource advantage and wouldn't engage because the enemy had a wraithknight. We had two morkanauts! There's no driving force here. No constant chipping away or time limit or points tally to worry about. I sincerely think this game would be improved by simply adding an alternate game mode with victory points like DoWII. Why they left such a simple thing out mystifies me. One would think the driving force would be "winning the game", since you never win if you never do anything. I guess you never lose, either, but....
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Apr 22, 2017 01:12
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Attacking a diffrent less defended point is still something you can do even alone.
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Apr 22, 2017 01:16
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I'm probably not going to buy this until it's on sale. I got the beta to check it out and see if I like it more than I did at PAX, but I just get reamed and can't work out the game at my own pace before playing a vs game.
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Apr 22, 2017 01:18
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MonsterEnvy posted:Attacking a diffrent less defended point is still something you can do even alone. It basically boils down to I had a lovely team, but it revealed some issues with the standard game mode that I'm not too happy about.
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Apr 22, 2017 01:19
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Whelp in team matches I've discovered that ork artillery and anti-vehicle boyz win games that go late rather handily since all the big elites are vehicles, 5 artys in long range mode, 4 Rokkit boyz, and 6 tank Bustaz took out the Space Marine gaint thing real quick. Though I'm not sure what the minimum is to take out turrets which stagnated the game for a while even though I murdered their first generator with my first 3 Boyz. What's the red resource that seems to limit unit production? Is there a cap on queued units? I had like 2k each of resource and power and only 100/250 pop used and it wouldn't let me build units.
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Apr 22, 2017 01:26
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Welp, after playing this I discovered I'm still really bad at RTS. Controlling more than a few units is really hard to me, I can't dodge the Eldar grenades that gently caress me up and other skills. I'll just go back to playing MOBAs again.
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Apr 22, 2017 01:28
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Safety Factor posted:Tried it. My allies wouldn't budge. I mean, teams sitting on their hands because they're too afraid to attack happened a lot in pug games in DoW2 as well. I had a number of games end because one team felt like they couldn't breach a defense around a VP so they just sat on their hands until the timer almost finished and then threw their armies away on a useless last minute suicide charge.
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Apr 22, 2017 02:34
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Kanos posted:I mean, teams sitting on their hands because they're too afraid to attack happened a lot in pug games in DoW2 as well. I had a number of games end because one team felt like they couldn't breach a defense around a VP so they just sat on their hands until the timer almost finished and then threw their armies away on a useless last minute suicide charge.
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Apr 22, 2017 02:41
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On the other hand, I've had plenty of boring anticlimactic DoW/CoH games where people don't really make a move for the VPs and slowly run out of gas. This method at least ensures there will be some kind of big climactic battle.
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Apr 22, 2017 02:48
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The maps are all grey metal industrial world and the invisibility smoke things blend in. I'm sure with practice I'd get used to it but one of the eldar elites has a move to teleport to them and I had to squint and frantically try to figure out if that was the right magic smoke or just normal smoke.
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Apr 22, 2017 03:16
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Comrayn posted:The maps are all grey metal industrial world and the invisibility smoke things blend in. I'm sure with practice I'd get used to it but one of the eldar elites has a move to teleport to them and I had to squint and frantically try to figure out if that was the right magic smoke or just normal smoke. I think that is the same map. Cause there are three maps from what I have seen. A Rocky world, the industrial world, and the snow world.
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Apr 22, 2017 04:02
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Fetterkey posted:Vehicle upgrades are a good requisition sink, as are listening posts on non-forward points (especially since T2 unlocks a lot more harassment options). Another thing I've found surprisingly good is to pop out a couple forward production structures on a mid-range point. Buildings are generally pretty cheap and that saved travel time can really build up momentum, especially as orkz. Put down a forward waaagh tower and you're laughing against most of the foes I've fought online.
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Apr 22, 2017 04:14
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MonsterEnvy posted:I think that is the same map. Cause there are three maps from what I have seen. A Rocky world, the industrial world, and the snow world. Ive definitely got the same one every time in one on one and from memory I think the one of each two on two and three on three games I played were the same tileset. gently caress magic smoke it's a stupid game mechanic and hopefully this is the last game to copy it.
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Apr 22, 2017 04:22
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Comrayn posted:Ive definitely got the same one every time in one on one and from memory I think the one of each two on two and three on three games I played were the same tileset. Each game mode has a different map for now.
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Apr 22, 2017 04:33
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Does anyone have any tips for fighting against massed Eldar snipers as Eldar? The rangers move faster than any of the other units and the spotting with the builder unit suuuucks. I'm having issues because I've played a few matches where someone would just stutter-step with several squads of rangers and melt anything that I threw at them. I got lucky with the Storm once, but hey, they are faster than that too. E. Talking about 3v3s here
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I got my rear end kicked by a bunch of sniper scouts as eldar in 1v1 and I don't really know what I should have done to counter them. I had a mix of avengers and banshees but he had a couple squads up on a ledge and I couldn't close the distance and from there it's a slow attrition from territory advantage.
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Apr 22, 2017 05:18
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I was doing really well during my first few games but now I keep losing and losing and losing. 1v1 really does have a problem with snowballing- If you lose a fight or two badly enough at the beginning of the match it can be really hard to make up. What are other people doing for their early game as Space Marines?
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Apr 22, 2017 05:28
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Does anyone have any tips for fighting against massed Eldar snipers as Eldar? The rangers move faster than any of the other units and the spotting with the builder unit suuuucks. They're stone cold useless against heavy armour so fire prisms are your best bet outside of elites. Elites wise the wraith Lord charge and macha's spear throw will evaporate them.
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Pendent posted:I was doing really well during my first few games but now I keep losing and losing and losing. 1v1 really does have a problem with snowballing- If you lose a fight or two badly enough at the beginning of the match it can be really hard to make up. What are other people doing for their early game as Space Marines? Don't lose the fight essentially, disengage. More helpfully though your typical marine first fight is 2 tacs in field and 1 sitting in the drop pod, throw down your banner and drop the squad on the bulk of their army, the banner will save you from too many losses. If you micro correctly and win the fight then immediately move up and burn down any Req generators you see which cripples them, if the fight starts to go south you need to have built a listening post in the mid field to fall back to, the gun on that will either drive them off so you can reinforce or kill them if they're bad.
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Apr 22, 2017 05:42
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I'm having a hard time actually selecting individual units to use abilities. I swear every time I have a group of guys with grenades selected it deselects the squad as soon as I choose a spot to throw the grenade. Not to mention trying to select individual squads to use certain abilities is almost impossible to do in the middle of a fight. Is there anything to help with this? Tab seems to just cycle through all units on the battlefield, and not the ones selected.
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Apr 22, 2017 05:53
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I actually like it more than I thought I would but it's hard to stomach the purchase knowing I'll have to wait and pay like 30 extra for whatever expansion brings Chaos in. Guess it's the waiting game for me.
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Apr 22, 2017 06:04
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My favorite part is squinting real hard to see the tiny, desaturated unit portraits at the bottom of the screen and trying to figure which dude's which.
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Apr 22, 2017 06:03
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I want to like it as a return to DOW I style, but I'm not sure about getting my poo poo pushed in guaranteed before I have a chance at victory. An AI Skirmish mode to find out what all the units do before jumping into the meat grinder would be good. Sure the Codex is there, but that doesn't give as good of an impression as experience does.
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Both 3v3s I was in had huge periods where no one was doing anything, and I was in a losing game and winning game but it was weird. If you have the advantage I guess we wanted to milk the resources, and we just kinda turtled in the other game since attacking one of their points was a meat grinder. If you were going to make up a squad (say from Space Marines) to bust a point what it would look like? 1v1 does seem super snowball-y which hopefully is more indicative of bad map? In my earlier games I threw my first 2-3 squads away and realized how slow resource gathering was and then died. Next few games I was a lot more cautious and small victories rapidly compounded after only a couple fights and he couldn't take any points away from me. And for space marines the unit distinction is basically impossible to discern, which also compounds when you get into a late-game high unit count. I kinda just a-move everything and rapidly tab through using w/e abilities I can. And the maps are pretty drat monotonous and boring visually speaking. I'll try out orkz tomorrow which I hope provides a more fun change of pace.
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