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"Let's say this hypothetical reader has budgeted out 30 dollars a month to spend on floppy comics. More than a lot of people can afford to dole out each month on these things"
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Secret Empire 0 is some awful rear end WHEELS WITHIN WHEELS horseshit Spencer should stop writing
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Apr 21, 2017 22:01
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Guy Goodbody posted:It's just another example of how hosed and terrible Dark Horse's manga department is. They've left Battle Angel Alita out of print for over a decade, and they keep licensing manga, realeasing a few volumes, and then just giving up. They did the first 14 volume of Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service and then just stopped, started rereleasing it in 3 in1 omnibuses, and then just stopped after the fourth one. They had abandoned Drifters and Blood Blockade Battlefront until they got anime series that drove up interest again. And they charge fifteen dollars per volume for Berserk. On the other hand they seem committed to the I Am A Hero omnibuses which is good and cool and rad And they've kept Lone Wolf and Cub in print for years even if it is flipped, and the price is incredible for the content
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Apr 21, 2017 22:04
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Roth posted:I feel like could top basically any bad Batman comic with a random oage from Dark Knigjt Strikes Again Wrong, that book is amazing and you're all loving heathens
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Apr 21, 2017 22:06
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You are not a person I will ever understand
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Apr 21, 2017 22:09
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Roth posted:You are not a person I will ever understand There's always people who insist that a terrible thing is actually secretly brilliant and amazing. Especially if it's spectacularly bad, bizarre and borderline incoherent- nobody's in here talking about how great the Onslaught storyline was. Mediocre stories don't inspire that kind of devotion. Hell look deep within yourself and you might find that you've got something like that of your own. (Mine is the movie Batman and Robin.) It's just a thing nerds do.
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Apr 21, 2017 22:20
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I'll have you know that the episode "Critters" from New Batman Adventures is actually the best episode in the entire DCAU
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Apr 21, 2017 22:27
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purple death ray posted:There's always people who insist that a terrible thing is actually secretly brilliant and amazing. Especially if it's spectacularly bad, bizarre and borderline incoherent- nobody's in here talking about how great the Onslaught storyline was. Mediocre stories don't inspire that kind of devotion. Hell look deep within yourself and you might find that you've got something like that of your own. (Mine is the movie Batman and Robin.) cd.txt
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Apr 21, 2017 22:37
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purple death ray posted:There's always people who insist that a terrible thing is actually secretly brilliant and amazing. Especially if it's spectacularly bad, bizarre and borderline incoherent- nobody's in here talking about how great the Onslaught storyline was. Mediocre stories don't inspire that kind of devotion. Hell look deep within yourself and you might find that you've got something like that of your own. (Mine is the movie Batman and Robin.) Except it's actually an amazing comic that calls DC out on the same poo poo we did in 2012, namely it's long sloppy blowjob to the past, but about ten years before that became an all consuming Problem with DC It's a book about honoring the past while embracing the future and I love it dearly
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Apr 21, 2017 22:49
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Straight up Miller not wanting to write another DKR and DC insisting on it not once but twice is so loving clear when you read DKSA and ASBAR
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Apr 21, 2017 22:51
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So was 9/11 the definitive line in Miller's career where everything before was good and everything after was complete garbage? Has he written anything good since?
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Apr 21, 2017 22:58
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X-O posted:So was 9/11 the definitive line in Miller's career where everything before was good and everything after was complete garbage? Has he written anything good since? BENGHAZI 2 posted:DKSA and ASBAR
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Apr 21, 2017 22:59
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X-O posted:So was 9/11 the definitive line in Miller's career where everything before was good and everything after was complete garbage? Has he written anything good since? DKSA and ASBAR are both great y'all
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Apr 21, 2017 23:01
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It's well and fine to like DKSA, but I really just don't. I hate the coloring, it's full of really dumb stuff like Superman loving Wonder Woman so hard it causes tidal waves, and there was some really gross homophobia I wasn't a fan of.
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Apr 21, 2017 23:02
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X-O posted:So was 9/11 the definitive line in Miller's career where everything before was good and everything after was complete garbage? Has he written anything good since? If he has I didn't hear about it.
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Apr 21, 2017 23:03
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X-O posted:So was 9/11 the definitive line in Miller's career where everything before was good and everything after was complete garbage? Has he written anything good since?
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Apr 21, 2017 23:05
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I've said this before, but that insane naked senator wrapped in the American flag from DKR was Frank Miller's self-insert this entire time, it just took a while for us to realize it.
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Apr 21, 2017 23:12
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X-O posted:So was 9/11 the definitive line in Miller's career where everything before was good and everything after was complete garbage? Has he written anything good since? You know that one scene in the Simpsons where Bart replays Lisa breaking Ralph's heart and saying "this is the exact moment you can see his heart break"? Well you can do the same thing but replace the video with DKSA and "Ralph's heart" with "Miller's brain".
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Apr 21, 2017 23:27
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In a bubble Miller's work often looks like it has a message but then you see him talk.
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Apr 21, 2017 23:33
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Aphrodite posted:In a bubble Miller's work often looks like it has a message but then you see him talk. Art still has a message, namaste
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Apr 21, 2017 23:37
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So does mime.
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Apr 21, 2017 23:49
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I liked DK2 from the perspective of yeah, Miller definitely didn't want to do a real sequel to Dark Knight Returns and when he did, it was only natural that it was a reflection that a decade and a half had passed in comics, in Frank Miller's life, and in the world. As an almost MAD magazine send-up of SERIOUS MODERN COMICS it obviously kind of shits on the original work, but deliberately so. David Brothers wrote a fair bit about DK2 years ago when we both actually blogged about comic books, and I agree with pretty much everything he said. It's also worth noting almost the entire book was written (and drawn) prior to 9/11, so while that's a tidy narrative, it doesn't really work re: DK2. As for All-Star Batman and Robin, another big two writer told me at a bar that when he e-mailed Miller to ask him how he felt about the book, its marketing, reception, and his hopes for the project, apparently Miller wrote back with "Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" So make of that what you will.
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Apr 21, 2017 23:57
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CapnAndy posted:In fairness, it should be, it's straight unapologetic bondage porn. Hell, Sex Criminals is at least bagged. I know a lot of people don't like 50 Shades of Grey, but we all owe those books a debt of gratitude for making hardcore bondage porn mainstream
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Edge & Christian posted:I liked DK2 from the perspective of yeah, Miller definitely didn't want to do a real sequel to Dark Knight Returns and when he did, it was only natural that it was a reflection that a decade and a half had passed in comics, in Frank Miller's life, and in the world. As an almost MAD magazine send-up of SERIOUS MODERN COMICS it obviously kind of shits on the original work, but deliberately so. David Brothers wrote a fair bit about DK2 years ago when we both actually blogged about comic books, and I agree with pretty much everything he said. It's also worth noting almost the entire book was written (and drawn) prior to 9/11, so while that's a tidy narrative, it doesn't really work re: DK2. This doesn't explain why the art got so bad half way through the run. Like there was a sudden lack of shits given halfway through and everyone just became elaborately boxed shape.
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CapnAndy posted:He had a very clear mental break on 9/11 that he's never recovered from, but his work since then has been Claremont-level lovely, where it poisons the good work too because you look back and all you can see is the stuff that'd go malignant and take over everything already there, screaming "HI I'M A GIANT RED FLAG, WHY DIDN'T YOU SEE ME BEFORE, NOW YOU CAN'T UNSEE IT". Stuff like Selina Kyle being a prostitute in both Year One and DKR even though the plot wouldn't change one tiny bit if she wasn't, for example. I genuinely think Elektra: Assassin is a fascinating piece just because of what Sienkiewicz drawing Miller's words reveals when you place it in the context of Miller's work as a whole.
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Barry Convex posted:This is fantastic and pretty much everyone should read it. I'm not reading 30K words by someone with a furry avatar. What are the highlights?
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Soonmot posted:I'm not reading 30K words by someone with a furry avatar. What are the highlights? The main takeaways are that prioritising the direct market system is really bad for the long-term health of the industry, and that Marvel is currently putting short-term profits ahead of long-term growth or stability. Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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Apr 22, 2017 05:37
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In other words, it's Rhyno's fault that Nova got canceled.
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This reply in the Neogaf thread for that article is great.quote:Originally Posted by Big One Edit: Great in the thought that motion comic trailers and killing floppies would save the industry is hilarious, I mean. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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Apr 22, 2017 06:02
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All those ideas except reserving miniseries for prestige creators are solid, at least from my consumer perspective. The price tag probably isn't realistic due to modern printing costs, but comic prices are definitely insane as it stands. E: Ha, 1963-era Marvel comic prices, adjusted for inflation, are exactly 99 cents. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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I would be so down with keeping monthlies to digital only and moving to trades for physical releases.
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American Comics should adopt the Manga distribution system. Instead of every series getting its own monthly print release, there are monthly magazines each with 5-8 series in them. Like, "Detective Comics" would be a monthly magazine, each issue would be 200 or more pages long, and contain new installments of Batman, Batwoman, Green Arrow, etc.
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Guy Goodbody posted:American Comics should adopt the Manga distribution system. Instead of every series getting its own monthly print release, there are monthly magazines each with 5-8 series in them. That'd be like 35 dollars an issue, if not more. It doesn't address the problem of how loving overpriced it all is. Teenage Fansub posted:Edit: Great in the thought that motion comic trailers and killing floppies would save the industry is hilarious, I mean. If the industry has to die for floppies to go, it's worth considering.
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Apr 22, 2017 06:28
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Lurdiak posted:
Comics used to make money off advertising.
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Skwirl posted:Comics used to make money off advertising. Yeah, and they used to be printed on the shittiest possible paper and printed with really simple colors, and there wasn't a monopoly on printing, and there's probably unionizing involved somewhere. But as a consumer I'm still getting smacked in the jaw with modern prices that don't scale at all from what they were when I was a kid and certainly not with the prices of when comics were booming in the olden days.
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Teenage Fansub posted:This reply in the Neogaf thread for that article is great. I'm still reading through the thing myself; I have Opinions, surprising nobody, but I want to save it until the end. CapnAndy fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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Not having events isn't a great idea because events can be really good. The issue is having them driven by marketing rather than creative.
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Ghostlight posted:Not having events isn't a great idea because events can be really good. The issue is having them driven by marketing rather than creative. They've always been driven by marketing, though. I mean, Secret Wars (the real one) was explicitly just to sell toys.
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Okay well congratulations on identifying the clearest example of marketing driving an event.
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Lurdiak posted:Yeah, and they used to be printed on the shittiest possible paper and printed with really simple colors Yeah, and they should go back to that.
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