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BERNIE loving RULES
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I'm pro universal healthcare, except for abortions, those become illegal.
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Apr 22, 2017 09:20
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loving after years of "we just need to compromise on basic economic and welfare principles, because that's politics, and you must make sacrifices" and "you need to be happy for the things we can pursue, not angry about what we have given up" y'all's platitudes about slippery slopes and sacrificing women's issues because a candidate is not sufficiently better than the Republican opponent (even though he's extremely better) are transparent as gently caress.
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Apr 22, 2017 09:22
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Can't wait for Bernies signature legislation, the "Make Abortion A Felon and Create a Secret Policeforce to Shutdown Abortion Clinics".
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Apr 22, 2017 09:21
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tired: sacrificing women's issues wired: sacrificing women into a volcano
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Apr 22, 2017 09:22
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bernie would have won
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Apr 22, 2017 09:25
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steinrokkan posted:loving after years of "we just need to compromise on basic economic and welfare principles, because that's politics, and you must make sacrifices" and "you need to be happy for the things we can pursue, not angry about what we have given up" y'all's platitudes about slippery slopes and sacrificing women's issues because a candidate is not sufficiently better than the Republican opponent (even though he's extremely better) are transparent as gently caress. None of the scathing Bernie/Mello takes mention for more than a sentence that he's running against a republican or her platform
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Apr 22, 2017 09:34
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im very confused right now just tell me what i should do
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Apr 22, 2017 09:51
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theflyingexecutive posted:None of the scathing Bernie/Mello takes mention for more than a sentence that he's running against a republican or her platform Because their goal is to cause Mello to lose and try to smear Bernie in the process, it's just a bonus when people like you show up and make well intentioned but terrible arguments that pit women's reproductive rights against economic progressivism.
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Apr 22, 2017 10:14
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theflyingexecutive posted:regardless of what position you have, trying to torpedo a general election and slam Bernie (the most important progressive politician in decades) for hot take points is so incredibly dumb, uninformed, and out of touch mello took the same stance kaine did, but CC didn't make a peep when kaine was pushed as VP, while mello as mayor is a sexist step too far
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Apr 22, 2017 10:14
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i was assured pro-life dems like kaine were ok and good for the dem party, but the second dems think they found a way to smear that annoyingly popular bernie sanders they take it, even if it means losing a race to a republican
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Apr 22, 2017 10:18
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Bad Dems think if they hold on through Trump the worst that can happen is normal republicans. Then in 2024, The Racist Old Duck Dynasty guy will run and beat Chelsea Clinton.
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Apr 22, 2017 10:20
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Mirthless posted:you really have still not fully grasped that we lost in november Actually everything is fine with the democrats and this was all part of the plan
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Apr 22, 2017 11:27
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Aww! I miss "yikes!" Can we bring yikes back?
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Apr 22, 2017 11:36
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The lesson bad dems should take away from this is that nobody should be made to have their priorities marginalized, and that all groups forming the greater party should be supporting each other and making sure that their politicians are as representative of all interests, both mutual and particular, as much as possible. That instead of fighting a zero sum game of who gets to be represented, it is necessary to build a greater inclusive identity than that of any single self-interested person, because otherwise everybody will be stuck in a loop of making minor gains and losing them to rival groups. But instead they will forget all about that the second the race is over, and will return to vilifying people for feeling deeply about the future of their livelihoods, because after all they are not really interested in changing things, they are interested in winning rhetorical arguments and building personal brands for themselves.
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Apr 22, 2017 11:43
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Uncle Wemus posted:im very confused right now just tell me what i should do kill youre parents
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Apr 22, 2017 12:15
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Oh Snapple! posted:i enjoy that when these concerns were brought up mello addressed them and made an attempt to assure those worried about his past that he would be on their side and in no way limit access to abortion the only concrete policy I've seen someone reference in this thread was that he voted for compromise legislation to get clinics to be required to offer an ultrasound (the patient is not required to accept) in the fear the republicans would try to push something worse without a compromise
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Apr 22, 2017 12:24
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comedyblissoption posted:has mello actually supported any legislation that would restrict access to abortion? He also signed a bill that a physician must be present during an abortion, so I guess it depends on how you interpret that. To me it seems common sensical, but OTOH I've never had to deal with this crap.
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Apr 22, 2017 12:37
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being a woman is tough.
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Apr 22, 2017 12:39
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steinrokkan posted:He also signed a bill that a physician must be present during an abortion, so I guess it depends on how you interpret that. To me it seems common sensical, but OTOH I've never had to deal with this crap. It's not. Most abortions are non-surgical and do not require a physician present.
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Apr 22, 2017 12:41
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steinrokkan posted:He also signed a bill that a physician must be present during an abortion, so I guess it depends on how you interpret that. To me it seems common sensical, but OTOH I've never had to deal with this crap.
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Apr 22, 2017 12:42
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that's pretty lovely if it's typically not really required if the legislation meaningfully restricted access to abortion, then it would only be excusable if Mello was on record saying he did not support the restriction aspects of the bill but only voted for it as compromise to prevent worse or because of some other stuff in the bill. did requiring physicians to be present have a meaningful impact on restricting access to abortion in the state by reducing availability or increasing cost? is this in any way similar to the poo poo texas and other states are trying to pull with making requirements so onerous that it becomes impractical to operate an economically viable abortion clinic?
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Apr 22, 2017 12:50
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MaxxBot posted:I don't get why he's so bad on criminal justice issues and why CA is so bad on that in general, it's perplexing to me. They have a reputation of being ultra liberal but they're basically Jeff Sessions with regard to drug laws and their prison population. theres a good book about this called the golden gulag
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Apr 22, 2017 12:56
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theflyingexecutive posted:fb neolib update: Dear Dairy, Today I owned this female by telling her that well actually universal healthcare is more important than her ability to not die in childbirth. PS bernouts aren't sexist
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Apr 22, 2017 13:04
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When Mello loses, whose fault will it be?
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Apr 22, 2017 13:08
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yours
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Apr 22, 2017 13:09
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zegermans posted:Dear Dairy, Why is it OK for you to tell people their fundamental problems are not important, if you rightfully recognize it's not OK in others? Is it because you are an irredeemable piece of poo poo?
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Apr 22, 2017 13:17
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zegermans posted:When Mello loses, whose fault will it be? Outright evil, abhorrent individuals like you who would gladly let innocent people suffer as a collateral damage in a quest to make themselves feel better and more powerful through spite.
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Apr 22, 2017 13:19
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zegermans posted:When Mello loses, whose fault will it be? your fault
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Apr 22, 2017 13:24
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quote:People who show anger over moral issues not directly affecting them may actually be emoting in an effort to quell their own guilt, be it consciously or unconsciously, according to a new study. huh would you look at that
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Apr 22, 2017 13:25
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steinrokkan posted:Outright evil, abhorrent individuals like you who would gladly let innocent people suffer as a collateral damage in a quest to make themselves feel better and more powerful through spite. 
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Apr 22, 2017 13:25
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steinrokkan posted:Outright evil, abhorrent individuals like you who would gladly let innocent people suffer as a collateral damage in a quest to make themselves feel better and more powerful through spite. Because being nice no matter what has sure made the dems successful at elections 😱 When they go low we go high lol
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Apr 22, 2017 13:37
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Condiv posted:mello took the same stance kaine did, but CC didn't make a peep when kaine was pushed as VP, while mello as mayor is a sexist step too far i didn't want kaine to get picked, and regardless kaine's record on abortion (as senator, not so much as governor) has been consistently perfect. and anyway, at no point in this thread have i said that bernie is bad for endorsing mello (i just questioned why he endorsed mello and not ossoff, which is now a moot point), nor have i said mello should lose or that we should have purity tests of any sort. what i did say is that mello's abortion record is extremely hosed up.
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Apr 22, 2017 13:37
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comedyblissoption posted:that's pretty lovely if it's typically not really required mello supported a 20 week abortion ban, and a statewide ban on insurance that covers abortion. the intent of requiring a physician to be present is to create another restriction that makes abortion harder to access, just like the other votes. in this case, it would be an onerous requirement on women in rural nebraska who might not easily have the means to travel to a clinic. Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 13:50 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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Apr 22, 2017 13:44
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theflyingexecutive posted:None of the scathing Bernie/Mello takes mention for more than a sentence that he's running against a republican or her platform reminds me of a certain hillary clinton
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Apr 22, 2017 13:54
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bad dems should be safe, legal, and rare
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Apr 22, 2017 13:55
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got any sevens posted:Because being nice no matter what has sure made the dems successful at elections 😱 When they go low we go high isn't an expression of being nice, it's a saying used by sycophants of power, people who are slavishly devoted to decorum and optics associated with powerful institutions, and who would rather ignore the suffering that surrounds them than risk getting out of step with the establishment. In other words, the people I talked about. Being nice in this situation generally requires being mean to a lot of bad people.
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Apr 22, 2017 13:58
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:reminds me of a certain hillary clinton so when asked to provide solidary, they provided it clintonites have refused to do the same, making it pretty clear that they have no intention of following through on any promises they make
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Apr 22, 2017 14:03
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steinrokkan posted:When they go low we go high isn't an expression of being nice, it's a saying used by sycophants of power, people who are slavishly devoted to decorum and optics associated with powerful institutions, and who would rather ignore the suffering that surrounds them than risk getting out of step with the establishment. exactly. gently caress obama and his inability to do anything other than enrich himself and his harvard buddies. he's a loving crony
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Apr 22, 2017 14:15
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:bad dems should be safe, legal, and rare democratic victories already are
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