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Blinkz0rz posted:it's been loving impossible to hire a platform (devops) engineer in boston. salary is awesome, the company is well known and great to work for, the role is cool, and we're doing a ton of sweet greenfield stuff with distributed systems but can barely get a nibble. idk wtf. Either the salary isn't awesome or your company is well known for having a toxic culture.
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Apr 22, 2017 18:06
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jre posted:Either the salary isn't awesome or your company is well known for having a toxic culture. Bloody posted:nobody knows what devops is
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Apr 22, 2017 18:08
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i always assumed devops boils down to "boy our build is a loving mess, let's pay someone to make it their problem"
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Apr 22, 2017 18:14
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St Evan Echoes posted:i always assumed devops boils down to "boy our build is a loving mess, let's pay someone to make it their problem" generally this but our team is cloud focused rather than working on build systems. the problem is not people interviewing and going elsewhere it's that the senior devops community is tiny and most people like their job and aren't interested in moving.
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Apr 22, 2017 18:17
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remember when you wanted to learn how to make a cool website so you installed LAMP in a VM and coded up some lovely example website. Then you put that poo poo on the web and any change you made you did it in production? That's devops.
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Apr 22, 2017 18:17
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Blinkz0rz posted:generally this but our team is cloud focused rather than working on build systems. so what's the pay
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Apr 22, 2017 18:29
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FamDav posted:so what's the pay significant six figgies for sure
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Apr 22, 2017 18:31
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Blinkz0rz posted:senior devops community is tiny dont post about by soon to be released micropenis loving milf porn series
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Apr 22, 2017 18:34
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Blinkz0rz posted:significant six figgies for sure i guarantee the very few "senior devops" people that exist are working at google/amazon/ms/facebook/etc. for double whatever you're offering
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Apr 22, 2017 18:37
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Get a AWS account, learn to do A Thing. You're now devops Why is it so hard to find them? Or is it just the senior part that's hard
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Apr 22, 2017 18:40
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why can't you name a number? here's a few 100k 150k 200k 250k 300k 350k 400k 450k 500k 550k 600k 650k 700k 750k 800k 850k 900k 950k
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Apr 22, 2017 18:41
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he probably doesn't know and if he does its only good compared to the companies i mentioned when looking at base salary instead of base+bonus+stock which doubles their salary
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Apr 22, 2017 18:42
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yeah it's good base but obviously we're not doing as well as goog/fb/etc so additional comp is clearly not worth as much. that said i'm a l2 (mid-level) and my total comp is north of 150k
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Apr 22, 2017 18:49
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sent in an application to Intel, I'm a little worried about a company with so much rot/decline happening but i mean it could be a good opportunity. I mean they're still printing money for the moment
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Apr 22, 2017 18:52
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why cant we hire someone with five phds and ten years experience in docker to our senior devops job
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Apr 22, 2017 18:57
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hifi posted:why cant we hire someone with five phds and ten years experience in docker to our senior devops job it's often this
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Apr 22, 2017 19:00
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usually i'd agree but we've been through that but already and lowered our sights significantly idk my point is that hiring can be just as bad as interviewing
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Apr 22, 2017 19:02
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Blinkz0rz posted:usually i'd agree but we've been through that but already and lowered our sights significantly So it's toxic culture then ? Why aren't people turning up for our 7am / 8pm interviews ?
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Apr 22, 2017 19:02
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Blinkz0rz posted:idk my point is that hiring can be just as bad as interviewing
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Apr 22, 2017 19:04
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I suspect there aren't many experienced true devops guys in Boston
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Apr 22, 2017 19:05
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hobbesmaster posted:I suspect there aren't many experienced true devops guys in Boston No true devops 
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Apr 22, 2017 19:04
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DuckConference posted:sent in an application to Intel, I'm a little worried about a company with so much rot/decline happening but i mean it could be a good opportunity. I mean they're still printing money for the moment I heard working for them in Ireland is horrible but maybe its changed or different elsewhere
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Apr 22, 2017 19:09
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jre posted:So it's toxic culture then ? i mean i don't think so 
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Apr 22, 2017 19:10
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Blinkz0rz posted:i mean i don't think so Well, you're trying to hire in a major city, not paying peanuts and no-one wants to know. You don't have some stupid 5 interview & take home execise process ?
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Apr 22, 2017 19:12
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just promote your junior and regular devops engineers
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Apr 22, 2017 19:14
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jre posted:Well, you're trying to hire in a major city, not paying peanuts and no-one wants to know. You don't have some stupid 5 interview & take home execise process ? nope phone screen with recruiter, phone interview with manager, then on site with our team hifi posted:just promote your junior and regular devops engineers that's what i've been pushing for honestly. we'd have much better luck hiring 3 juniors to cover the 2 senior reqs we have open and then teach and promote
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Apr 22, 2017 19:18
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jre posted:Well, you're trying to hire in a major city, not paying peanuts and no-one wants to know. You don't have some stupid 5 interview & take home execise process ? Isn't this just the norm now? That's sure how it feels. Whatever mice make it to the end of the gauntlet we'll flip a coin on.
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Apr 22, 2017 19:46
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Blinkz0rz posted:nope phone screen with recruiter, phone interview with manager, then on site with our team have a friend pretend to be interested in the position to see if your recruiter is a shitlord
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Apr 22, 2017 20:02
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carry on then posted:how is the programming up there? i'm about 1.5 hours southeast at basically the only tech company in this town and eventually i'd like to move up to the cities in addition to what hobbesmaster said I've found it's a good market for just about any size company you want to work for which I mention because so far I think I prefer smaller shops
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Apr 22, 2017 20:04
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Blinkz0rz posted:generally this but our team is cloud focused rather than working on build systems. it's very much this. we also have a great rep and a great office and good compensation but we have a hell of a time finding senior SREs. at least once hired they stay put. we've more or less thrown our hands up and decided we can train juniors up, but finding good junior devops people is hard too!
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minivanmegafun posted:it's very much this. we also have a great rep and a great office and good compensation but we have a hell of a time finding senior SREs. at least once hired they stay put. in so many places devops/sre is a role you grow into at a company and not something you train for, and if you never make the "extinguishing prod fires of my own creation is devops" connection then you never think to look for an sre role
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Apr 22, 2017 20:38
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JawnV6 posted:i had an on-site interview w/ someone skyping in from off site
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minivanmegafun posted:it's very much this. we also have a great rep and a great office and good compensation but we have a hell of a time finding senior SREs. at least once hired they stay put. why cant we hire someone with one phd to a junior devops job
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Apr 22, 2017 21:20
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 and i won't have to unofficially touch computers anymore fix mah excel!
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sigh. got a call from the recruiter. they want me and I would love to work for them (interesting work) but they want me in nyc and at a pay that wouldn't work.  this is the first recruitment where my specific skillset was an exact match and they wanted me but it was not meant to bemaybe they'd accept remoting in and an occasional visit. probably not though ugh
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minivanmegafun posted:it's very much this. we also have a great rep and a great office and good compensation but we have a hell of a time finding senior SREs. at least once hired they stay put. Is anyone junior devops before they are specifically hired for that position?
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kdrudy posted:Is anyone junior devops before they are specifically hired for that position? Right? If the pay was right I'd move to Boston to do devops, but I'd very much be learning on the job.
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Apr 22, 2017 22:59
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I ended up in essentially a junior devops/SRE type role in my last gig and sure enough it's something I gradually moved into and picked up. Seems very hard to hire externally for.
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cis autodrag posted:Right? If the pay was right I'd move to Boston to do devops, but I'd very much be learning on the job. i'll post here if we decide to look for someone more junior than our current hunt 'cause i bet you'd be a great fit for our team
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