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Pointsman posted:I ended up in essentially a junior devops/SRE type role in my last gig and sure enough it's something I gradually moved into and picked up. Seems very hard to hire externally for. that's why you hire more senior if you don't want someone who's like "yeah i managed my own aws account that's webscale right?"
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if you're unwilling to just hire an obviously smart person for the job and give them a shot at picking it up you are not actually that desperate
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Our best non dev technical person left 6 months ago and doubled his salary in a devops role. This is a flyover state though.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:57
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wtf is devops a sysadmin that can script?
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a buzzword title
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how does an sre compare to a devop
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mishaq posted:wtf is devops The movement is about breaking down silos between dev and ops. But in practice most of the positions out there labeled as devops are for sysadmins who can script. I mostly fought fires, built out automation, devved production fixes, and configured new physical infrastructure. Interesting work but the pay and hours there were abysmal and we couldn't get buy in for stuff like devs getting pages on their systems.
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mishaq posted:wtf is devops a miserable pile of scripts
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mishaq posted:wtf is devops a sysadmin's whose scripts are larger than most applications
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hobbesmaster posted:a sysadmin's whose scripts are larger than most applications lmao it's 100% this
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Bloody posted:if you're unwilling to just hire an obviously smart person for the job and give them a shot at picking it up you are not actually that desperate I think you mean smart not desperate I'm the job req that needs 4 years experience but not competence or intelligence or aptitude
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Bloody posted:if you're unwilling to just hire an obviously smart person for the job and give them a shot at picking it up you are not actually that desperate THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING
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devops is where development and operations work collaboratively but in my experience it's less collaboration and more devs making a dumb request, ops saying no, devs crying to the project manager, and then getting their way
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:remember when you wanted to learn how to make a cool website so you installed LAMP in a VM and coded up some lovely example website. Then you put that poo poo on the web and any change you made you did it in production? whats the pay
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FamDav posted:why can't you name a number? here's a few
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Apr 23, 2017 04:03
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6.669 figgies... nice
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my goth gf posted:devops is where development and operations work collaboratively but in my experience it's less collaboration and more devs making a dumb request, ops saying no, devs crying to the project manager, and then getting their way
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amazon: not a huge company
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what I'm getting here is that it's computer janitors that want to pretend like they're engineers
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just like software developers, who also want to pretend like they're engineers
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The Management posted:what I'm getting here is that it's computer janitors that want to pretend like they're engineers also developers that got tricked into supporting the messes they deployed
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again, properly, it's devs who can take up the responsibility of specing out a deployment to the ops technicians when the product devs are too autistic/arrogant to do so
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lmao if your deploy is anything more than uploading packaged binaries to a repository
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carry on then posted:lmao if your deploy is anything more than uploading packaged binaries to a repository lol granny deployin shippin binaries instead of prs to ci/cd-integrated build repos like your supposed to
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PCjr sidecar posted:lol granny deployin i'm sorry, please rephrase your answer in a form that would make sense in 1998
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hi, I'm devops. what do i do? well, i'm the buffer / secondary healer of the raid and
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PCjr sidecar posted:lol granny deployin In the embedded world you don't get this option if your product isn't guaranteed to be connected to the internet.
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nothing is funnier than trying to implement a CI env devops internal cloud dept within a telecom company with an entrenched 1998 style network design and security posture operated by 15+ year lifers i asked in the interview what sucked the most about working there and all 4 people told me firewalls and the security team they weren't wrong Bhodi fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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If you think you can get away with it culture wise and built up a bit of rapport during the interview, i highly recommend flat out asking what sucks about working there the answers are always enlightening and people are happy to show all those  simply from the asking
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Bhodi posted:If you think you can get away with it culture wise and built up a bit of rapport during the interview, i highly recommend flat out asking what sucks about working there you should always be asking this anyway imo, just phrase it as asking about the "challenging parts".
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Bhodi posted:within a telecom company im so sorry
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Bhodi posted:hi, I'm devops. what do i do? well, i'm the buffer / secondary healer of the raid and
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ratbert90 posted:In the embedded world you don't get this option if your product isn't guaranteed to be connected to the internet. nah, still applies. the outcome of that CI/CD pipeline is versioned, metadatad, signed artifacts sent to a server somewhere that your devices ping for self updates whenever they happen to be on the network and that your company website uses so users can manually download them and update them offline if they choose.
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can someone remind me what the best job listing sites are for devs? i wanna do another round of resumes this week.
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Apr 24, 2017 14:55
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I had good luck with snack overflow this last round
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cis autodrag posted:can someone remind me what the best job listing sites are for devs? i wanna do another round of resumes this week. I've had success with LinkedIn. if you're into games stuff there's also gamasutra jobs board or https://orcahq.com/jobs
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cis autodrag posted:can someone remind me what the best job listing sites are for devs? i wanna do another round of resumes this week.
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leper khan posted:I've had success with LinkedIn. i don't have a linkedin because stalkers and im not stupid enough to go into the death pit of games lol
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do you want to work 80% more hours for 40% less money? well good news, the game industry is hiring!
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mishaq posted:wtf is devops yes but with whatever the current script fads are ex: ruby based deployments lol
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