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I fear Macron has managed to convince enough people that he's a centre candidate (lol), and too many people fall for the good old "truth is in the middle".
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Hamon got hosed through no real fault of his own. It's just that Hollande taking forever to accept the fact people hate the poo poo out of him meant the PS had to throw a primary on short notice while all the other candidates were already campaigning. And then, whatever little time he had left to make an impression was taken by the lying rat bastards of the Valls wing deciding it was gonna be their lovely brand of neoliberalism or nothing. But like, his program was good, getting a deal with Jadot was a necessity, and he wasn't an evil fucker. It's just that Hollande and Valls did their damndest to destroy the PS because their egos got bruised.
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Apr 23, 2017 11:49
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Soooo if for some ungodly reason Le Pen ends up winning not just tonight but the whole shebang, I understand that she's nonetheless going to have a hard time getting much of her stuff through the parliament? Could she organize a referendum on the EU by herself? Would the FN need to win in a parliamentary election for Le Pen to really be able to "remettre la France en ordre"? I know that the French president is powerful but surely there are quite a few checks and balances in place still. The same obviously would apply to Macron etc. in this case too.
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Apr 23, 2017 12:23
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That's the trick. Don't do anything during your presidency, blame parliament for your failings, abolish it. The French loving hate parliament.
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Fabulous Knight posted:Soooo if for some ungodly reason Le Pen ends up winning not just tonight but the whole shebang, I understand that she's nonetheless going to have a hard time getting much of her stuff through the parliament? Could she organize a referendum on the EU by herself? Would the FN need to win in a parliamentary election for Le Pen to really be able to "remettre la France en ordre"? I know that the French president is powerful but surely there are quite a few checks and balances in place still. The parliament gets it's own elections in june though, and whoever wins the presidency starts that campaign with such a big legitimacy boost that they can probably get themselves a majority. At least that's how it goes with the PS and LR who have a shitload of local presence and a deep bench. The FN has had a lot of trouble finding "presentable" local candidates who want to stick with the party for the long run (wonder why). And then there's Macron who has no party and no second stringers except for Bayrou and the PS traitors (who all have eyes on cabinet positions). tldr: who the gently caress knows, this election is insane
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Apr 23, 2017 13:04
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Deltasquid posted:That's the trick. Don't do anything during your presidency, blame parliament for your failings, abolish it. The French loving hate parliament.
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Apr 23, 2017 13:06
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My personal prediction for tonight:
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sheep-dodger posted:My personal prediction for tonight:
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Apr 23, 2017 13:20
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Applaudez, s'il vous plaît! (I have no idea if that's correct, my french is trash)
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Truga posted:Applaudez, s'il vous plaît! Not far, it"s a -ir verb not a -er one, it conjugate like dire.
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Apr 23, 2017 13:41
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Mid day turnout almost the same as in 2012. Expatriate turnout much higher than anticipated.
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expat vote is probably good for macron i wager
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Apr 23, 2017 13:51
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sheep-dodger posted:My personal prediction for tonight: I was about to ask why En Marche! was listed by party and the rest by candidate before remembering that Macron is an egotistical fucker.
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Apr 23, 2017 13:54
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Toplowtech posted:Applaudissez! Man why you gotta lead a poor innocent goon to believe they can say stuff like "dissez" and not be ridiculous? Pro-link of the day for when you wonder about how a French verb is conjugated. Use it to try to speak using the subjunctive imperfect as much as possible as it is objectively the Best Tense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnl_MiX7nmY julian assflange posted:Expatriate turnout much higher than anticipated. Yeah they got them to vote one day early so that they don't feel discouraged when the results for mainland France are announced.
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Kurtofan posted:expat vote is probably good for macron i wager When I lived in London, French expats seemed to veer a lot more right than that, mostly UMP or FN. But I guess the motivator for these (mostly wealthy) people is primarily fiscal policy, so Macron deffo makes sense.
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Apr 23, 2017 14:03
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lost in postation posted:When I lived in London, French expats seemed to veer a lot more right than that, mostly UMP or FN. But I guess the motivator for these (mostly wealthy) people is primarily fiscal policy, so Macron deffo makes sense. All the French people I know here are voting Macron, some Fillion but they were cunts before this election.
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Apr 23, 2017 14:13
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:When do the polls close?
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Toplowtech posted:Lol no exit polls; they are against the law, everything people are going to post on the net is going to be most likely bullshit to influence dumb late undecided voters. Actual results start in 5 hours.
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Apr 23, 2017 14:17
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Well I guess we're about to find out if Vichy France was the real France all along.
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Apr 23, 2017 14:18
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Even if Melencheon or Le Pen make it to the second round that still leaves 2 weeks until we can declare the EU dead.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:When do the polls close? Most polling stations close at 7 CEST, some are open until 8, so expect first estimates after that.
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Apr 23, 2017 14:21
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Exit polls courtesy of RTBF (https://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_presidentielle-francaise-la-participation-a-midi-direct?id=9587638): Macron 24% Le Pen 22% Fillon 20,5% Mélenchon 18% No big surprise here, sadly :-/
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BobMorane posted:Exit polls courtesy of RTBF (https://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_presidentielle-francaise-la-participation-a-midi-direct?id=9587638): It's really cool that a big part of France really are unrepentant Nazis and unabashed colonialists after all.
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team safe centrism wins again on the other hand: https://twitter.com/mathieuvonrohr/status/856137756677943296 so who knows whether that exit poll is worth anything whatsoever
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LemonDrizzle posted:team safe centrism wins again I question the safety of it, considering the direction europe/america has been heading lately.
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LemonDrizzle posted:team safe centrism wins again Macron is not at all a centrist. Dude is a radical neoliberal. That might be centrist in other countries, but France seems to have avoided the worst of it so far.
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Orange Devil posted:Macron is not at all a centrist. Dude is a radical neoliberal. That might be centrist in other countries, but France seems to have avoided the worst of it so far. So a centrist? 
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A radical centrist.
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ElNarez posted:Hamon got hosed through no real fault of his own. It's just that Hollande taking forever to accept the fact people hate the poo poo out of him meant the PS had to throw a primary on short notice while all the other candidates were already campaigning. And then, whatever little time he had left to make an impression was taken by the lying rat bastards of the Valls wing deciding it was gonna be their lovely brand of neoliberalism or nothing. But like, his program was good, getting a deal with Jadot was a necessity, and he wasn't an evil fucker. It's just that Hollande and Valls did their damndest to destroy the PS because their egos got bruised. Have people really forgotten the high expectations for Hollande leading to his election? Hamon could be the literal second coming of Jesus Christ, he would still ultimately give in to PS's neoliberal wing.
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YF-23 posted:Have people really forgotten the high expectations for Hollande leading to his election? Hamon could be the literal second coming of Jesus Christ, he would still ultimately give in to PS's neoliberal wing. hollande always was from the neoliberal wing.
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BobMorane posted:Exit polls courtesy of RTBF (https://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_presidentielle-francaise-la-participation-a-midi-direct?id=9587638): It's kinda funny how everything came up Macron in the end.
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BobMorane posted:Exit polls courtesy of RTBF (https://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_presidentielle-francaise-la-participation-a-midi-direct?id=9587638): There's no exit polling there, fam.
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Apr 23, 2017 14:59
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lmao people are actually going to prefer Hollande-style policy for more four years.
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Mans posted:lmao people are actually going to prefer Hollande-style policy for more four years. in a fresh new package
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BobMorane posted:Exit polls courtesy of RTBF (https://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_presidentielle-francaise-la-participation-a-midi-direct?id=9587638): Macron is probably the worst social choice but when you say the polls more than 50% of the french people leaned right and around only 30% leaned left so they actually seem to want to suffer more. Funny thing is Macron is BCE boy so he'll push for economical changes France has been trying to avoid doing for a while (and of course mid class will pay for it)
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lost in postation posted:When I lived in London, French expats seemed to veer a lot more right than that, mostly UMP or FN. But I guess the motivator for these (mostly wealthy) people is primarily fiscal policy, so Macron deffo makes sense. The republicans have half the expat seats, with one socialist, one green and a bunch of independents. Basically the proportion of massive shitheads among expats is significantly higher. Agnosticnixie fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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I know that in America you've got to tick a bunch of boxes to vote or punch holes in a card or whatever but in this here country we've got to put a literal ballot with the candidate's name in print , put it in an envelope and post it in the ballot box. So quaint. That's my voting story.
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