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Hixson posted:Well then I'm glad I pre-ordered mine. I laughed along with people making fun of the quality on here; but I quit laughing once it showed up. The red and black books are always something I see people skimping on buying and yet if you actually play this hobby with any sort of frequency it is an amazing purchase. Way to many people rely on BattleScribe and other hugely questionable sources for list building and rules and it is hella neat to actually go to a source book and debunk a lot of the BS people come up with quickly. That and drat they are sexy and contain so much sick fluff/art
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Killer_Bees! posted:The red and black books are always something I see people skimping on buying and yet if you actually play this hobby with any sort of frequency it is an amazing purchase. Way to many people rely on BattleScribe and other hugely questionable sources for list building and rules and it is hella neat to actually go to a source book and debunk a lot of the BS people come up with quickly. That and drat they are sexy and contain so much sick fluff/art I've got the red books, they're really cool. The black books on the other hand are nuts. My mate has a couple of them. A lot of time and effort has gone into the black books and I will buy a couple when I can justify the price.
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moths posted:Absolutely! I'll be posting updates and dedicating most of next Oath season to this. I don't know about a melee build, but I had fun with Myrmidon, two phased plasma fusils, chainfist and jetpack. Put him in with a phased plasma squad of thallax and pewpew marines to death.
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Sooooo if I toxxed and already have an Atropos but just picked up a mastodon for shits and giggles ......... I have to do both yeah  ?
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Killer_Bees! posted:Sooooo if I toxxed and already have an Atropos but just picked up a mastodon for shits and giggles ......... I have to do both yeah Well yeah, now that you've posted about it. I definitely want to buy Angelus when it comes out. The black books are honestly pretty neat, and I want my giant plates of dark angels armor and the list of famous battles and stuff. Those sections are like the old index astartes articles on crack.
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Does Retribution have the rules for Cults in it along with the Rites of War?
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JBP posted:I'm aware of that line I might fix it or I might ignore it (I'm gonna fuckin ignore it).
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Apr 21, 2017 15:35
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Awooooooooooooooo https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Space-Wolves-Legion-Contemptor-Dreadnought-with-Power-Claw-and-Heavy-Bolter
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Painted up some more Ultras this month, including a converted Master of Signals since I don't love the Forgeworld one:    And the Big Gun Bros:       
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Those are some good looking boys in blue, SRM! I like your gold work a lot.
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Broken Record Talk posted:Those are some good looking boys in blue, SRM! I like your gold work a lot. Thanks! It's super simple but I'm real happy with the results. If nothing else, the Stormcast release brought with it some real nice metallic paints.
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So what would be a good source of arms to convert kharodrons to let them hold lasrifles?
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chutche2 posted:So what would be a good source of arms to convert kharodrons to let them hold lasrifles? You could see if Cadian arms fit on them. They fit reasonably well on old Dwarf bodies.
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I can try that. Kharadrons are pretty bulky though, I'm afraid Cadian arms are going to be really weirdly proportioned on them. Once it's out I'll pick up a box to experiment with.
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chutche2 posted:So what would be a good source of arms to convert kharodrons to let them hold lasrifles? Take a look at the Thunderers that got released today. They hold lasrifle-like guns as their default weapons, so it should be pretty easy to further convert them.
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Mango Polo posted:Take a look at the Thunderers that got released today. They hold lasrifle-like guns as their default weapons, so it should be pretty easy to further convert them. Those do look nice. I like the arkonaut look better, but hopefully by the time I start building this bits sellers will have the thunderer arms in good supply. Since it's militia, I don't really have to do much converting anyway. If the weapon shows ammo, then I can justify it as having battery cartridges which let them be S4 30 inch lasrifles. chutche2 fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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So 8th ed is happening. Prepare your anus.
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Won't lie, pretty worried/unhappy about the ramifications of this for 30k. As nice as it might be to have a base game system that isn't complete rear end, I also would rather not have to deal with a complete revamp of all of the books.
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"A few of you might be wondering how the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 affects Forge World’s Horus Heresy rules and army lists. Well, for the moment, it won’t! You can carry on using the existing Warhammer 40,000 ruleset for your Horus Heresy games." So expect it to take another year for 30k to be updated, and until then no one can play crossover games.
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Can't wait for my 30k Dark Angels to finally get their real rules in Angelus only for it to be immediately invalidated as Forge World crudely ports everything to 8th.
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ForgeWorld models will get 8th edition rules though. You won't be able to use your RoW and such but it sounds like you can play as Codex Marines in 8th if nothing else.
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Book review time! Horus Heresy 29 - Vengeful Spirit I'll say right off the bat that this isn't my kind of Warhammer book, but that doesn't necessarily mean this wouldn't be a good match for you. Vengeful Spirit is about 80% battle narration and bolter porn and 20% actual storytelling. I've much preferred the books that bracket this one, less emphasis on exploring 50 ways to describe burning flesh and more emphasis on marines dealing with the Heresy at a more political and emotional level. Vengeful Spirit follows the Warmaster as he invades the planet of Moloch, a world that carries special significance to the Emperor. It was on Moloch that the Emperor found a gate directly into the heart of the Chaos Realms and stole the secret of fire from the gods, so to speak. Horus obviously would like to repeat the Emperor's triumph and the transfiguration of Horus from still-a-fairly-normal-primarch to the fully corrupted daemonic dude that we know and love is covered near the end of the book. Along side this we have three sub-plots: one about Garviel Loken and Iacton Qruze returning to the Vengeful Spirit on a suicide mission to mark the place up for Leman Russ, a story about a Slaaneshi loving Knight house and another perpetual story. Regarding the perpetual: this one serves almost no purpose other than to somewhat humanize the ending of what is otherwise an extremely dark book. I don't think Warhammer novels need final-note humanization. This particular perpetual accomplishes nothing. She was apparently stationed on the planet to protect the black gate from would be demonologists. I think you know what ends up happening. Regarding the Slaaneshi knight house: I really liked this sub-plot, although everyone in it was utterly despicable. It was the least predictable part of the novel, in that it wasn't clear who we were supposed to follow or root for and even though you expect everyone to be doomed it wasn't clear who (if any) would come out on top. It ends with a hentai inspired tentacle porn scene inside the cockpit of a knight. With an old man. And Fulgrim. Garviel's plot was, to me, a poor follow-up to his development in the first three Horus Heresy novels. There's no further development of Loken as a character. He spends most of the book either shell shocked or puttering around angry. I don't think Loken works well in isolation from the other Mournival characters. Leaving him maybe dead on Istvaan would have been fine. Tormageddon comes back and that could have been cool, but very little ink is spent on it. We do learn that the Sons of Horus now have their own demon possessed troops called the Lupercali, but they seem pretty squishy and don't really accomplish much. Horus's story is told through a mix of perspectives. That of Horus himself. Various imperial commanders or space marines who can count their life spans in seconds. Little Horus Aximand. Lots of people die. This book should have come with a score card or maybe an electronic counter. So MANY people die. I'd say a good 30% of the text in the book is just given over to descriptions of meat chunks, burning corpses, or people with holes through their chests. There's even that old tropey scene of a soldier walking around stunned looking for his own arm - only this time the soldier is a DREADNOUGHT WALKING IN CIRCLES LOOKING FOR ITS ARM. So Horus shows up. People die. He finds the black gate. He becomes Horus 2.0. One of the most interesting premises of the book is that Horus spent a hundreds of years inside the black gate fighting the armies of Chaos to earn their secrets and trust. Years everyone else experiences as a blink of an eye. Horus comes out haggard, worn, aged and with the Moloch campaign a distant memory, but the author waves his hands over this and we don't get any further insight into what might have happened within. I think I could have skipped this one. It wasn't terrible, just not that good. It didn't help that the author (Graham McNeill) has a really bad habit of writing sentences like "the smokey column still smoked" and "the stinky corpse bore a stink". Take a drink every time Graham McNeill describes something using the adjective and verb or noun form of the same word twice in one sentence. Just make sure your glass is full of water. This was a book of missed opportunities. GreenMarine fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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Lord Twisted posted:So 8th ed is happening. Prepare your anus. Fuckballs. I'm still painting stuff.
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Everyone in this thread is far too invested in resin that you can't even enjoy a game update without enough money to cover 30 seasons of a show.
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GreenMarine posted:Book review time! This is a good review! You forgot to mention that Mortarion and the Death Guard are actually in it for a goodly bit and it's one of the few real books (other than the Garro ones) that actually give them more than a paragraph.
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TTerrible posted:This is great for 30k, shouldn't be mixing systems anyway The Red Books existing is really good, because when an update does happen 30k has a easy way to get it out to everyone easily. I do expect the rules to split off, but even if not it will probably be fine. Having most armies drawn from the same list means at least it will stay balanced. Please be ok, future Emperor's Children. 
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I'm pretty sure 30k will go the way of 8th eventually. FW timescales mean this might not be till book 9 or the next red book release though.
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TTerrible posted:I'm pretty sure 30k will go the way of 8th eventually. FW timescales mean this might not be till book 9 or the next red book release though. FW doesn't have a choice. The 7th edition rulebooks will be gone soon, and the longer they stick to 7th the less they'll be able to hook in new players.
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Mango Polo posted:FW doesn't have a choice. The 7th edition rulebooks will be gone soon, and the longer they stick to 7th the less they'll be able to hook in new players. Yup. The bandaid from 6th -> 7th where they just gave over a page to saying "ignore this, ignore this, troops still score unless blah" isn't going to cut it this time.
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I'm sure they're going to release their own ruleset, based on 7th, filled with typos and poorly answered faqs. They put too much effort into getting Inferno "right" to throw it away six months later.
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I think it's a good idea for them to juat rerelease 7th rules for HH in a fancy new book. It's all MEQ fighting and pretty much the same book for everyone, plus forgeworld can still make their 40k models and carve out a niche even further in 30k. What they do is anyone's guess but I'd be happy with either as long as the legions remain as nicely flavoured as they are now.
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JBP posted:I think it's a good idea for them to juat rerelease 7th rules for HH in a fancy new book. It's all MEQ fighting and pretty much the same book for everyone, plus forgeworld can still make their 40k models and carve out a niche even further in 30k. What they do is anyone's guess but I'd be happy with either as long as the legions remain as nicely flavoured as they are now. Honestly, I would be really happy if they kept the same rules they have now but went with the changes to AP from Shadow Wars. I love my plasma gun Vets as much as the next 30k player, but I also think Autocannons should have a little more impact on Tacticools walking out in the open.
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First game with Perturabo. Charges 2 bladeslaves. Rolls three 1s on save. 
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DJ Dizzy posted:First game with Perturabo. Charges 2 bladeslaves. Rolls three 1s on save. 
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DJ Dizzy posted:First game with Perturabo. Charges 2 bladeslaves. Rolls three 1s on save. He's just trying to bring you to his level of bitterness
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Mango Polo posted:FW doesn't have a choice. The 7th edition rulebooks will be gone soon, and the longer they stick to 7th the less they'll be able to hook in new players. I dunno, HH's new players tend to overwhelmingly come out of the fully matured grogs of the 40k pool, so FW might just assume everyone has access to the base rules, one way or another.
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