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ModernMajorGeneral posted:Looking forward to seeing these in the goon squadron. That's mostly the German experience. They transitioned from the Fiat G.91, the Euro Skyhawk, to a mach two interceptor. Not just that, they didn't use them as interceptors, they were used as strike platforms for some reason. Their pilots weren't trained in Germany either, they were trained in Arizona, where they're not going to have much in the way of rain, low cloud cover and generally terrible European winter weather to train in. High speed, low level flight in an aircraft that really is not designed for that flight regime in lovely weather led to a lot of pilots crashing into the ground. The Italians used them as interceptors, and they had a much better time with their Starfighters.
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Quinntan posted:That's mostly the German experience. They transitioned from the Fiat G.91, the Euro Skyhawk, to a mach two interceptor. Not just that, they didn't use them as interceptors, they were used as strike platforms for some reason. Their pilots weren't trained in Germany either, they were trained in Arizona, where they're not going to have much in the way of rain, low cloud cover and generally terrible European winter weather to train in. High speed, low level flight in an aircraft that really is not designed for that flight regime in lovely weather led to a lot of pilots crashing into the ground. The Italians used them as interceptors, and they had a much better time with their Starfighters. Operating an aircraft in the wrong role, unfamilliar weather and with undertrained pilots sounds right up our merc group's alley. 
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sparkmaster posted:Yooper, a bit of humble feedback. Sure! I was aiming for 30 minutes per video, but I'll go longer and keep track of it better. Sometimes taking direct control, as Psawhn mentioned, works, and other times they remain on some other priority. The only way I've found to get them to change behavior is to set a different mission profile and assign on the fly. Using F1, automatic attack, isn't a guarantee. Psawhn posted:Still watching the video. I'll have more comments soon... It started at 36000 ft and I brought it lower to get an ID on the MLRS column. I had them as a group and it made things weird for selecting and setting things hostile. In the future I'll not be using groups for mobile ground units. wedgekree posted:Upon realizing that Silent Bob is flying in the combat zone, that leaves the far more important question - WHERE THE HECK IS JAY?! Jay posted:You know, sometimes I wish I did a little more with my life instead of hanging out in front of places selling weed and poo poo. Like, maybe be an animal doctor. Why not me? I like seals and poo poo. Or maybe an astronaut. Yeah. Like, be the first motherfucker to see a new galaxy, or find a new alien lifeform...and gently caress it. And people'd be like, "There he goes. Homeboy hosed a Martian once." The Sandman posted:Still watching, but I note that all three of our HARMs got pickled off at nothing early in the mission, hence why Yooper couldn't find them when he went looking at about the 24:00 mark. The HARM's in the opener weren't us. They came from another area. We get updates in the side menu for all sides of stuff. Mission Chat It wasn't as good as I'd liked it to be, but not as bad as some of my test runs. (average loss was 1 gripen, 1 tornado in test missions) The SEAD Tornado biting it was really a bummer and totally unexpected. It ran way North after an emitting signal and then did the funny orbit. I just ran the mission again and that Tornado was actually headed for a radar in the Free State's territory. I actually turned down the WRA for our Gripens to 1 missile per hostile. In the last mission I switch some of our bombers to the AAW Patrol area and that worked pretty well. I should have done the same here and some of our birds would have hung around. Our Gripens all dog piled on that first flight from the Dictator, that worked out, but on the downside we lacked the cover out east. I can set strict patrol areas where they will only engage stuff in the patrol, but it can be a mixed blessing. As I mentioned above, the grouping of the MLRS assets was kind of weird. I couldn't select and manually set them hostile. I also couldn't use F1 and set a target manually. This caught me off guard as earlier testing they all went for the MLRS's first. The WRA was set to Targets Missile Defence, or two rounds. Psawhn, you brought up some good points. I wasn't aware of the CTRL-E to clear the targeting queue, but that would explain some of my issues. There were times I tried to intervene, like when our units got funky near that No Fly zone, eventually I had to have them RTB. I'll try a combination of AsuW Patrol followed up by a Land Strike once we've identified targets. I can't start with a Land Strike as the targets aren't visible so the planes won't go hunt for them. But the Land Strike offers more power as far as strikes go. I could have multiple strike missions for the same area and set it so we only have a pair of aircraft firing at any one target. I don't have any issues with the MQ-9. I was just very surprised at how well it worked. It saw planes on the ground 50 miles away, but had a hard time resolving some of the MLRS group. Hence why I dropped altitude, to get a better look. Though I don't know if it made any difference. I did have some No-Nav and Exclusion zones set. But that Gorgon Stare allowed us to ID them before they crossed the line so I manually set them hostile. Fueling is always a pain, and I think that just might be how it is. Our birds go to the extent of the range and immediately spin around. About the only way we can alleviate this is to leave an excess then swap mission profiles as needed so we can get a bit extra. Though once a fighter turns on the afterburner the fuel draw becomes huge. In regards to feedback, I'd like it, and any thoughts you guys have. I don't want you guys to get discouraged because I make a mistake or miss a detail. Normally when you play CMANO you can welp a scenario and start over. I've only done that here when something really retarded happens. Otherwise with stuff like this I just let it roll. We take our licks, make up for it some other way, and keep at it. I think we're doing pretty well for this just being mission #4. Lessons for Myself for Next Time I've been sticking to the letter of the ROE and Instructions when I could be further constraining prosecution areas and patrol areas. In the future I'll get more detailed in this regard. At the same time I've been reluctant to go full micro-manage. Part of this is RP, gotta let the flyboys fly, but also to keep from going crazy. But when need be I will step in. We had the right idea by setting the fuel point higher as I could switch to a secondary air strike with bingo fuel instead and gain us a few seconds. Contingencies are my friend, especially back up strikes. More missions. More redundancies. Though on the flip side the tighter I leash the fighters the more closely I'll need to watch them. I don't want to see a flight idly sit by while a hostile is 1 km outside of the engagement zone. I think a Patrol to get them in the sky followed by a Strike mission will make a big difference. I'll have to remember to set back on the patrol though once they're done... Next time I'll rein things in a bit more and slow down. Aiming for brevity is missing details and that's not fun. I forget you can always fast-forward and skip ahead 30 seconds while I set an emergency mission area. Thanks for the feedback guys and keep it coming. Oh, in regards to Rohan, "Working as Intended". Here's some Losses and Expenditures for the mission.   
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Don't be hard on yourself - LP is great and a learning process. Anyone got a view of the impact on the others? I get the impression the Japanese mercs are basically untouched.
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:Don't be hard on yourself - LP is great and a learning process. They did lose their entire F/A-50 force. Just can't figure out how and when.
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Updated tally on the remaining merc forces and how that changes their ability to conduct operations Shinsage-Mitsubishi Armed Response Force 2x KF-16Cs 2x F-2A's 1x C-1 3x Type 81 SAMS 1x 737 Wedgetail Losing all of their FA-50s is going to hurt, for obvious reasons. Now they're going to have to ride their KF-16s and F-2s hard to conduct any operations. I wouldn't be too surprised if we catch their F-2s operating with only a pair of AAM-5s for self defence while striking ground targets instead of being the air to air monsters they can be, just because they have to now because there's no FA-50s left. They're not quite crippled yet, but they're hurting bad. Sultans First 1x KC-130 1x C-295M 3x Rapier FSA Blindfires Even though the Sultan's lost more aircraft than SMARF, they're not as critical. The OV-10s were always going to get torn up hard, and losing four of them in one operation, while it's bad for the Sultan, is not as bad as SMARF losing its entire ground-attack element. While their ground-attack capability is diminished, they still have four very capable air to air fighters that they can use to escort their Alpha Jets and OV-10s. The fact that they lost a MiG-29 tells us that their home base is pretty close to the front. Edit: Yooper, can we get an Angolan Air Force inventory? Quinntan fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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Gervasius posted:They did lose their entire F/A-50 force. Just can't figure out how and when. I cannot figure it out from the video - I thought the Japanese were working for the dictator, therefore the loss of ground attack is less relevant, but did I completely misread the situation?
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:I cannot figure it out from the video - I thought the Japanese were working for the dictator, therefore the loss of ground attack is less relevant, but did I completely misread the situation? No, SMARF is working for the Free State. We engaged OV-10s and MiG-29s, and as far as I know, the Angolans don't have any of those in inventory.
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Night10194 posted:Man, if I was SMARF, I'd be considering pulling out of this AO. Yeah, considering how much of the Free State's goals probably need ground attack capability, I think things are about to go south for them very, very fast. Which means the Dictator is going to be able to focus entirely on us. Yaaaayyyyyy.
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Stuff about. Who's who makes perfect sense. Thanks Yvonmukluk posted:Yeah, considering how much of the Free State's goals probably need ground attack capability, I think things are about to go south for them very, very fast. Which means the Dictator is going to be able to focus entirely on us. Yaaaayyyyyy. We should offer to sell them our spare ground attack (SR60s and anything else we don't really love) craft stat. Win/win if they keep pressuring the north. Cthulhu Dreams fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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Quinntan posted:Off hand, I know there's a display team in Florida that operates them called (unsurprisingly) the Starfighters. Most of theirs are former Italian ones, though there's a couple Canadair ones with them too. Fun fact: They're half-way to being a mercenary operation already. They do significant amounts of high-altitude testing just off the east coast of Florida. It's pretty common to see them on radar up at 60,000 feet flying huge lazy circles, carrying air sample rigs and such. They actually do more testing and research flying than they do airshow displays. My vote for most plausible near-future merc-air group would be Draken International. They're the worlds largest non-state operator of tactical military jets. What I'm saying is that I want us to bomb Lakeland.
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   The Dictator has been oddly quiet on Twitter. The Free State subreddit is awash in anger, recriminations, but it doesn't seem that the Dictator is pushing his wins up North. In the course of a few days Von Hoff's ground forces swept up the East and seized two lithium mines. Without the air cover in the center from the Sultan's First our forces can operate in the sparse cover. This is huge for Von Hoff and our side. On the downside that hotel that Rohan bombed was filled with engineers and executives from the Lithium Consortium of San Bernadino. They are the largest purchaser of lithium in Angola. The second biggest purchaser is China. Welp. Diplomats are trying to smooth it all over with the Consortium but for the moment we've got trucks of lithium moving to Namibe and no one to buy it. The streets of Namibe were drat well jubilant. These people haven't had much hope, and now they've got some. Near as we can tell the Dictator is moving SAM's from the North and sticking them in our AOO. Some of his F-16's that hit Mitsubishi Shengasae are also headed our way. We can also expect a group of Bulgarian Ground Mercenaries in theater, they posted a bunch of pictures on Facebook about them going to Angola to work for the Dictator. We're drawing some heat, but it doesn't seem too terrible. Ground units are working hard to repair Monongue Airport but it got pretty thrashed. Hopefully it'll be ready for use in a few weeks. I'm expecting some info from Von Hoff about our next mission. It seems we did make an excellent First Impression.
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Yooper posted:Thanks for the feedback guys and keep it coming. Yooper, you've been doing an awesome job with this thing. This LP has been a real labor of love and it shows in everything you do. This is the most fun I've ever had in an LP. Yooper posted:I don't have any issues with the MQ-9. I was just very surprised at how well it worked. It saw planes on the ground 50 miles away, but had a hard time resolving some of the MLRS group. Hence why I dropped altitude, to get a better look. Though I don't know if it made any difference. It made a huge difference, actually. Two MiG-23s came barrelling in over the Reaper when our CAP was busy. If the Reaper had been higher, it would probably have been seen and killed. Down in the ground clutter, it was able to stay undetected. So, a real blessing in disguise. Cthulhu Dreams posted:We should offer to sell them our spare ground attack (SR60s and anything else we don't really love) craft stat. This is actually a pretty good idea. We could probably charge a pretty hefty markup for 3-4 of our SK60s. Although we may want to take an industrial-size file to the wing spars so they wings mysteriously fall off after the Free Staters try to do a 5G pullout... Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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Yooper posted:On the downside that hotel that Rohan bombed was filled with engineers and executives from the Lithium Consortium of San Bernadino. They are the largest purchaser of lithium in Angola. The second biggest purchaser is China. Welp. Diplomats are trying to smooth it all over with the Consortium but for the moment we've got trucks of lithium moving to Namibe and no one to buy it.
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 The Dictator executed Air Admiral Mboumba Qwasa, a Russian educated and fairly capable Angolan Air Force officer. We don't have files on any other replacements, not sure who is going to step up into the roll next. Might be good news, might be bad.
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MrYenko posted:Fun fact: They're half-way to being a mercenary operation already. They do significant amounts of high-altitude testing just off the east coast of Florida. It's pretty common to see them on radar up at 60,000 feet flying huge lazy circles, carrying air sample rigs and such. They actually do more testing and research flying than they do airshow displays. In this universe Draken are absolutely a PMC at this point. Goddamn, that's a pretty sweet air fleet, they've even got the ex-NZ Kahus. Another couple that I can think of is Discovery Air in Canada and ATAC in Virginia.
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MrYenko posted:Fun fact: They're half-way to being a mercenary operation already. They do significant amounts of high-altitude testing just off the east coast of Florida. It's pretty common to see them on radar up at 60,000 feet flying huge lazy circles, carrying air sample rigs and such. They actually do more testing and research flying than they do airshow displays. Hold on a minute. There is actual real life quasi PMC with aircraft? That's insane I thought it was all in the realms of games and make believe. As for that consortium if diplomacy doesn't work then suggest to them that if they don't buy the Lithium there may be unfortunate "accidents" to their people and equipment in the future. Just a friendly piece of advice for them. Edit: Ah they do training missions for the US and their allies, for a minute their I thought they carried out actual offensive operations for a price. Whoops. koolkevz666 fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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koolkevz666 posted:Hold on a minute. There is actual real life quasi PMC with aircraft? That's insane I thought it was all in the realms of games and make believe. Absolutely, though IRL they mostly offer DACT and aggressor training services. Erik Prince of Blackwater fame tried to get one going that'd use converted Air Tractors as COIN aircraft. There are other outfits like Omega Air (founded by a pair of brothers from my hometown) who do stuff like in-flight refuelling. And no, we cannot do that.
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If they don't buy our lithium the world's entire electronics industry collapses, I wouldn't worry too much about it. E: I guess they don't specifically have to buy from us and could go for the Dictator instead, but, well, they all got killed on HIS watch in HIS territory
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koolkevz666 posted:As for that consortium if diplomacy doesn't work then suggest to them that if they don't buy the Lithium there may be unfortunate "accidents" to the people and equipment in the future. Just a friendly piece of advice for them. Count Von Hoff is going to make a statement. It seems he has some connections with De Beers and will be able to use that tidbit of information in a rather unorthodox way. I, uh, not sure I like it. Beyond that the Count says he needs more CAS and Air Interdiction over the main engagement areas. Looks like the big push is happening between us an Monongue. edit : AKA, Waiting on some dude on Fiverr. Yooper fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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Yooper posted:Count Von Hoff is going to make a statement. It seems he has some connections with De Beers and will be able to use that tidbit of information in a rather unorthodox way. I, uh, not sure I like it. Beyond that the Count says he needs more CAS and Air Interdiction over the main engagement areas. Looks like the big push is happening between us an Monongue. Excellent. I'll start thinking up the next Maximum War Crimes plan as we wait. Also want to echo what other people are saying that you are doing an incredible job with this LP, it is hell of a lot of fun to be taking part in.
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I agree with some of the other comments, you could slow down the action a little. I really enjoy this LP, but it gets hard to follow when things happen all at once. I don't think any of us minds a longer video if that is what it takes. Let the action determine how long the video needs to be, rather than aiming for a runtime. This last one especially had a long bit in the middle/end where it was 5x time compression right through a lot of action. I had no idea what was going on other than that we suddenly lost a couple of planes. The beginning, on the other hand, was much easier to follow, with good explanations of what was happening and enough time to follow the action. Hell, if you have to, pause the action and take a couple of seconds to point out what is happening, I haven't played CMANO so I don't always understand what's going on just from the screen. Another thing, when mentioning planes by callsign, could you add what plane it is? I don't always remember who is in what plane, so just going by callsign is a little hard to follow. Other than that I really like this LP and the effort and quality is amazing! Anta fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:Stuff about. Who's who makes perfect sense. Thanks If we're going to get rid of perfectly good birds in the middle of this campaign, give 'em to the Count's air force and let 'em train in the rear until Monongue is up and running again, when they can help cover the advance on that flank. Once we clear out anything that threatens them, of course. Yooper posted:
I suspect the Sultan's First may be slightly nervous right now. SHARM might have taken a kicking, but aside from whining on reddit, I doubt their employers can do much about it. More significantly, we have Lithium mines! Nobody is buying from us, but still. Seems like the main advances are being made in the east. On the plus side, we're quite close to taking an additional mine and maybe even another airbase if things go well. On the downside, we're quite close to an enemy airbase if we want to advance on that flank. We'd also see our lines potentially meeting with the Free State, and while they'd almost certainly push the poo poo in of If I were the Free State, I'd take advantage (such as it is) of Dos Santos' reallocating forces to our front by making a focused push on that Lithium mine near I think Quirma? It's the nearest to their border and roughly distant from their If they can take it, they can actually start getting income to buy additional forces or begin to negotiate a compromise deal. It's what I would do.
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I believe that airbase is the one that the Sultan's operating out of. If it is, we should try and Lhasa it and knock them out of the theatre.
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Anta posted:I agree with some of the other comments, you could slow down the action a little. I really enjoy this LP, but it gets hard to follow when things happen all at once. I don't think any of us minds a longer video if that is what it takes. Let the action determine how long the video needs to be, rather than aiming for a runtime. This last one especially had a long bit in the middle/end where it was 5x time compression right through a lot of action. I had no idea what was going on other than that we suddenly lost a couple of planes. The beginning, on the other hand, was much easier to follow, with good explanations of what was happening and enough time to follow the action. Hell, if you have to, pause the action and take a couple of seconds to point out what is happening, I haven't played CMANO so I don't always understand what's going on just from the screen. Sure! I'll also move the window about a bit so you guys can see the info tab. Videos will likely be longer, though on the flip side I'll collate the highlights in a later post so everyone can just click to the violent parts. Glad everyones liking it, I was disappointed in myself for the mission not going off without a hitch. I don't mind if we lose a ship to a lucky missile or a clever enemy, but losing one because I didn't get it unstuck isn't fun. Thanks for sticking with it guys! Freeform Chat I mentioned letting you guys pick freeform missions. I still want to do this, but I don't want it to turn into 10 thread pages of argument over a dozen different plans. So Instead I'll probably have a base mission and the chance to do one of three other things. For example we might have to destroy a venue before an international tickling competition begins. That's the core mission. Then we can either A> Do a SEAD strike, B>> go after ground assets, or C>hit the airport for maximum carnage. This should keep us focused on the task and lets everyone align to the same goal.
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Some more thoughts (some which I'm echoing others, forgive me if I don't want to quote 50 posts):
I think the quantity of losses we took is kind of fair given the opposition we were facing (holy poo poo there were so many) it's just that both individual losses were somewhat embarrassing. The SEAD flight deciding to orbit a Strela-10 until they manage to line up a shot (while historically accurate for a Tornado  ) was very silly. The other one less so because our CAP Gripens got tied up by the dictator deciding to feed his entire airforce to our meteors.Someone earlier mentioned ALARMS. These are in fact very interesting weapons. They can be fired in loiter mode, in which case they just kind of hover around waiting for someone to turn on a radar, at which point they can fire a second rocket motor and go blow it up. The problem is that almost nothing can actually mount them - apparently our choices are UK Tornadoes (ALARM block 1 and 2) or Saudi Tornadoes (block 1 only). I imagine the UK isn't going to be too keen to part with theirs, but maybe we can dig up some of the Saudi ones? PS - Yooper - can we get the map to have a different color for airfields/mines between the dictator and the free state?
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power crystals posted:PS - Yooper - can we get the map to have a different color for airfields/mines between the dictator and the free state? 
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Quinntan posted:Can we get an inventory for the Angolan Air Force? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Air_Force_of_Angola
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Oh, just thought of something that miiiight be important for future missions: Yooper, can we change the location of our planes depending on where the next mission takes place? Because that right flank is getting pretty drat close to an enemy airport and they might need more round-the-clock CAS.
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Quinntan posted:I believe that airbase is the one that the Sultan's operating out of. If it is, we should try and Lhasa it and knock them out of the theatre. To be fair, I suspect that we would pretty much have to take them out in the air to take out the actual airbase, especially since they would presumably be able to get cover from the regime's own air force. Either that, or we Entebbe those guys. Or alternatively get our boys to Pebble Island them.
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Dr. Snark posted:Oh, just thought of something that miiiight be important for future missions: Yooper, can we change the location of our planes depending on where the next mission takes place? Because that right flank is getting pretty drat close to an enemy airport and they might need more round-the-clock CAS. Yes, but not right away. Monongue is pretty tore up right now.
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Yvonmukluk posted:To be fair, I suspect that we would pretty much have to take them out in the air to take out the actual airbase, especially since they would presumably be able to get cover from the regime's own air force. Either that, or we Entebbe those guys. Or alternatively get our boys to Pebble Island them. Our best bet is to keep the Argus, the Reaper, the Growler (it can pick up radars and radio signals), or whatever other recon units we've got and monitor all air traffic in the area. As soon as we figure out where most of the regime assets are, we make a full-scale assault late in the evening when they've finished air ops for the day and take them out on the ground.
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power crystals posted:Someone earlier mentioned ALARMS. These are in fact very interesting weapons. They can be fired in loiter mode, in which case they just kind of hover around waiting for someone to turn on a radar, at which point they can fire a second rocket motor and go blow it up. The problem is that almost nothing can actually mount them - apparently our choices are UK Tornadoes (ALARM block 1 and 2) or Saudi Tornadoes (block 1 only). I imagine the UK isn't going to be too keen to part with theirs, but maybe we can dig up some of the Saudi ones? Good news! The retirement date for the entire RAF Tornado fleet is March 31st 2019 so there should be no trouble getting our hands on some.
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The loss of the Tornadoes was... well, it was half bad planning, our CAP was out of position and that's why we lost Grouse and Rokkit. The other half was one deciding to go off on a jaunt all on its own.
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