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RyuHimora
Feb 22, 2009
I quit my lovely job today after throwing up blood yesterday from stress. Guess it's back to driving for Amazon for now.

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Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


RyuHimora posted:

I quit my lovely job today after throwing up blood yesterday from stress. Guess it's back to driving for Amazon for now.

Jesus gently caress. :eyepop:

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




RyuHimora posted:

I quit my lovely job today after throwing up blood yesterday from stress. Guess it's back to driving for Amazon for now.

I recommend a loving hospital what the gently caress stress does not make you loving throw up blood jesus loving christ

Nuclearmonkee
Jun 10, 2009


CLAM DOWN posted:

I recommend a loving hospital what the gently caress stress does not make you loving throw up blood jesus loving christ

Bad ulcer does. Go to the doctor.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


CLAM DOWN posted:

I recommend a loving hospital what the gently caress stress does not make you loving throw up blood jesus loving christ

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/176319-overview

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




All right fine I'll modify my statement to this: If you're loving vomiting loving blood get to a loving hospital you loving goony idiot gently caress

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

CLAM DOWN posted:

I recommend a loving hospital what the gently caress stress does not make you loving throw up blood jesus loving christ
You can get ulcers from stress, but regardless they should get a doctor to take a look.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


CLAM DOWN posted:

All right fine I'll modify my statement to this: If you're loving vomiting loving blood get to a loving hospital you loving goony idiot gently caress

Or start living in a library.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
Some days I have a bad day but I guess I'm glad I don't have a throw up blood bad day.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Though, I suspect quitting (and therefore probably losing health coverage as a result) probably complicates things.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


bull3964 posted:

Though, I suspect quitting (and therefore probably losing health coverage as a result) probably complicates things.

Because a job that induces enough stress to cause a bleeding ulcer is going to have a worthwhile health plan.

desudrive
Jan 10, 2010

Destroy All Memes

RyuHimora posted:

I quit my lovely job today after throwing up blood yesterday from stress. Guess it's back to driving for Amazon for now.

I wish you the best. I know first hand how lovely jobs can affect your physical/mental health. You'll find something better.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

RyuHimora posted:

I quit my lovely job today after throwing up blood yesterday from stress. Guess it's back to driving for Amazon for now.

If something about your job ever stresses you out enough to make you cough up blood, simply stop doing that part of your job. Learn to say "I am sorry, but this is too much for me" and "Respectfully, no". Let them at least fire you for christs sake. Quitting is for suckers.

RyuHimora
Feb 22, 2009
Funnily enough, I made that post from the doctor's office. I didn't lose my health insurance because I get that through my stepmother. The good news is, it's not a stomach ulcer. The bad news is that my stomach lining apparently hasn't been fully regenerating for at least a month. Apparently, since I did not throw up again this morning, I won't need surgery, but I have to avoid stress as much as I can over the next two months and it will hopefully go back to normal. Also no acidic foods.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal
I don't see how driving in traffic to meet Amazon quotas will be stress free, but I honestly wish you the best because that's one lovely situation.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


Would that make you eligible for disability in any way? I mean drat your stomach is literally eating itself with stress.

Super Slash
Feb 20, 2006

You rang ?
Would've thought an ambulance chaser would be all over that, jaysus

Alfajor
Jun 10, 2005

The delicious snack cake.
Solid page snipe, dude.
I wish you the best. Put yourself first, no job is worth that kind of stress.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.
Printer toner guy strikes again. This time he prints his entire marketing campaign flyers on this color printer. Thousands upon thousands of pages of stuff. Runs all the new color toner out in a few days. Doesn't ask, doesn't consult, just decides that is what he wants to do. Now is outraged because his dept was just charged 1400 bucks for the full replacement of the toners. He comes to me to argue and I ask him why he didn't send it to a 3rd party company for mass printing and he said he didn't have time. I tell him that sending it out to a company for printing would have been faster and cheaper, something he should probably know if he is in charge of such things. His boss is mad because budgeting for depts are tight and he now has to eat this for his dept budget.

I now have to send out a company wide email informing all employees that no, you aren't allowed to do mass marketing campaign printing from our company printers.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Through murder or termination, that guy doesn't sound long for this world.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Everyone knows when the toner hits the printer you only do 1k pages max

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


There's quite a few print management applications that will pop up the cost of the job you're about to print and give people a chance to reject it. But it doesn't sound like you have a technology problem.

CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry

Sickening posted:

outraged because his dept was just charged 1400 bucks for the full replacement of the toners.

Sickening posted:

His boss is mad because budgeting for depts are tight and he now has to eat this for his dept budget.

Outraged over $1400. Sounds like a Larches problem.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

CrazyLittle posted:

Outraged over $1400. Sounds like a Larches problem.

I mean it's a stupid expense, especially if you're budgeting tightly.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

CrazyLittle posted:

Outraged over $1400. Sounds like a Larches problem.

1400 bucks is not a huge expense for normal operations. It however a big oops expense when you are trying to budget other things like team luncheons and other fun activities. A small dept spending an extra grand because someone is an idiot is going to get noticed.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Thanks Ants posted:

There's quite a few print management applications that will pop up the cost of the job you're about to print and give people a chance to reject it. But it doesn't sound like you have a technology problem.

Eh, I might look at something if you got a suggestion. Generally color printing has never been a concern because we simply didn't give gen pop color printers. This one in particular was handed down as the design department got a new one and now people don't know how to act like adults.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


PaperCut seems to be the most recommended one - http://www.papercut.com/products/ng/manual/applicationserver/topics/account-popups.html

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017


I work for a copier company and Papercut, while cheap, is a nightmare to get working and has a lot of issues. It is also targeted to Education, and may not fit other environments.
Also, it has a tendency to work well with Xerox and HP, but terribly with Ricoh or Canon.
If you have an MFP service provider, ask them. They will usually leap at the chance and it is one less thing to deal with.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





I refuse to make printing unstable due to lovely software that has lovely drivers that gently caress up the entire process. If someone is printing over X amount of pages, take outsource and if necessary bill the client. If it's under that threshold it's not worth tracking. Abuse the privileged, get fired.

mewse
May 2, 2006

Sickening posted:

Printer toner guy strikes again. This time he prints his entire marketing campaign flyers on this color printer. Thousands upon thousands of pages of stuff. Runs all the new color toner out in a few days. Doesn't ask, doesn't consult, just decides that is what he wants to do. Now is outraged because his dept was just charged 1400 bucks for the full replacement of the toners. He comes to me to argue and I ask him why he didn't send it to a 3rd party company for mass printing and he said he didn't have time. I tell him that sending it out to a company for printing would have been faster and cheaper, something he should probably know if he is in charge of such things. His boss is mad because budgeting for depts are tight and he now has to eat this for his dept budget.

I now have to send out a company wide email informing all employees that no, you aren't allowed to do mass marketing campaign printing from our company printers.

At least his manager is pissed off now instead of "we'll have to keep an eye on this" w/r/t the guy's lying about removing those signs.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



mewse posted:

At least his manager is pissed off now instead of "we'll have to keep an eye on this" w/r/t the guy's lying about removing those signs.

Ha! Nope, it's going to be "Why couldn't IT let it slide just this one time? Aren't we all team players here?"

Ignoring the fact that IT has no control over it. In other words, just the typical soulless oxygen thief that marketers are.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
Fun story about the marketing director at the company I work for:

Now, a bit of history with this guy: I have no actual idea of what he does, but marketing is supposed to be in control of the interface of our product, and our current product is a stop-gap between our ancient product and our new line, so the interface has to be updated, but not too terribly much (our old interface looks like an ancient Geocities web page). This time he wanted to pawn it off to engineering, which I flatly refused to let him do. My argument being:

Programmers program.
GUI people make the GUI.
I don't make GUI's.
I don't have time TO make a GUI.
You are in charge of the GUI.
You make the GUI.

I told him I wanted:

1: A PSD with a layer per page (pretty standard request.)
2: If any changes to the GUI are to be made, that the PSD must be updated to reflect those changes.
3: The PSD MUST LOOK LIKE THE FINAL GUI.
4 (and this is important): If he didn't have enough time, I could have my brother do the job, as he is a UX designer.

After a shitload of fighting about this INSANE request, me getting the CEO involved, and the CEO telling him that I wasn't being unreasonable, he finally agreed to do it.

However: Instead of actually making a PSD with a layer per page, he instead did the following:
1: Made a loving 640x480 template.
2: Hired an outside programmer to take the template and make the GUI around the template.
3: Refused to let engineering talk to the programmer after we caught wind of what he was doing.
4: Hand us the raw CSS/HTML the programmer made and didn't give us the PSD.
5: Told engineering that they were in charge of any changes made to the GUI.

As soon as I asked for the PSD he started stammering and demanded why we needed it. After some teeth pulling he finally sent his "PSD" to us, and I nearly lost my poo poo, so I immediately did 3 things after getting approval from my boss and the CEO:

1) I hired my brother.
2) Put the GUI that was handed to us into a PSD.
3) Fix some of the glaring issues with the GUI.
4) Billed his hours to the marketing budget.

My brother came out 10 grand ahead, and marketing director was PISSED. He went straight to the CEO, who laughed at him, and said: "That's what ratbert wanted all along, that's what he told you to make, you tried to take shortcuts, it's coming out of your budget."

At the meeting, I set up to review the changes to the GUI, which was held in front of the entire engineering department (5 people), and the engineering director, and the entire marketing department he tried to save face every chance he could get, excuses included:

- I didn't have to spend so much money and that if I wanted a PSD with the full GUI I could have had it done in house.
- They didn't have time to do the full GUI (very next sentence.)
- The template was just fine and we didn't even need a full PSD.

I stopped what I was doing, and told him bluntly: "I did ask for this, exactly as we have it now, you shut us down, you made a garbage 640x480 template, you refused to talk to us, you refused to cooperate with us, you refused to talk to us, and you just cost us 4 months of time, and 10,000$. You don't get to tell me that you didn't have enough time to do a full GUI, I offered you my brother, and even if you didn't want to use him, you could have contracted it outside. You volunteered for it, you don't get to complain about timelines when you do so. This is your incompetence, not mine, put on your big boy pants and own up to it."

He started screaming at me, even calling me a liar, and using the words "Not a team player." :allears:

I refused to yell back, and instead simply told him to not yell at me, and that I am not going to play his Micky Mouse high school drama games, he got up and stormed off.

The next day I talked to the CEO who he is good friends with the marketing director, and who has routinely defended him in the past, told me he was sorry, and that if I wanted to file a complaint to HR I would be well within my rights to and he would fire him. I declined, because I don't really give a poo poo, and figured this guy will hang himself without me.

Now the marketing director refuses to even talk to me. He needed a prototype part a few days ago, and when my coworker said it was in my office he refused to go in there. When I grabbed it and put it on his desk, he returned it to my coworker instead of me a few hours later. :allears:

In conclusion:
- Act like a loving professional.
- Hold people accountable when they volunteer.
- Don't put up with other peoples excuses.
- Never yell back.
- Marketing people are indeed oxygen thieves.

FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Apr 22, 2017

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


You're a better man than I am. I'd have filed the complaint and proceeded to wait outside of Marketing Douchrector to give him a nod and a smile when he'd be escorted out of the building.

I'vee seen too many assholes like this get away with it (and/or getting decent people fired) to let poo poo like this pass.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

LochNessMonster posted:

You're a better man than I am. I'd have filed the complaint and proceeded to wait outside of Marketing Douchrector to give him a nod and a smile when he'd be escorted out of the building.

I've seen too many assholes like this get away with it (and/or getting decent people fired) to let poo poo like this pass.

It's a bit different in a 35 man company. For a very long time the mantra was "Oh, you engineers, you just have to figure out how to get along with him!"

During that conversation with the CEO, I told him: "The entire engineering department get's along with everybody in the building. Every single person. Except for the marketing director. When does it become his problem and not ours?" He didn't have a good answer. :allears:

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


ratbert90 posted:

It's a bit different in a 35 man company. For a very long time the mantra was "Oh, you engineers, you just have to figure out how to get along with him!"

During that conversation with the CEO, I told him: "The entire engineering department get's along with everybody in the building. Every single person. Except for the marketing director. When does it become his problem and not ours?" He didn't have a good answer. :allears:

At least the CEO is on your side. The dynamics at a 35 people company is indeed a lot different.

I just find it strange the CEO doesn't tell the marketing director to get his poo poo together or gtfo. If you tolerate this kind of poo poo you're doomed to get a toxic environment.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"
Log the complaint. Even if it isn't enough to tank him outright it's a nice nail in the coffin for future fuckups.

CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Log the complaint. Even if it isn't enough to tank him outright it's a nice nail in the coffin for future fuckups.

This. Also just because you're not gunning for him doesn't mean he's not going to try to knife you in the back any chance he gets going forward. Having the complaint on record affords you some protection from retaliation.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
I'm doing consulting for an IT Operations shop right now. Its a small company growing into a middle sized company, but they are stuck in the mom n' pop small shop mindset. They are primarily a Windows shop with a AIX core system. They have no centralized logging, and I keep pushing them for it, because they are actually filling VM drives with logs, have no proper log rotation method, and are manually dumping logs by hand.

Its a mess. I'm handling getting network monitoring going for them using a ManageEngine product. Not my favorite, but they are sold on it. But they have so many issues...and now they are planning a datacenter move in less than 6 months.

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
They're going through what my team went through over the last few years. We exploded in growth from a mom and pop, to mid sized, to enterprise, all within a 5 year period. Go easy on them - they WANT to grow, and they realize a lot of their processes are garbage, but a lot of them were Good Enough for the time.

In my own case, there were 3 of us doing what a team of 50 now does. 3 people can't do the work of 50 people, so there was a lot of jack of all trades, put a bandaid on it, close enough is good enough going on. Now it's a whole new story. Much better. Just takes time to grow into it - not because they/we think/thought that our way was the best, it's just that you don't want to break anything that IS working while you change all the processes.

e: An example from my own growth would be patching. Our application doesn't self heal. You have to take it down and bring it up in a very specific way. It's tedious af, as the kids would say. It's tedious with 3 people, it's tedious with 50. It's tempting for a consultant to kick the door down as though he's the first person ever to hear about a patching tool, "listen children as I tell you that you can simply patch every server at once and schedule a reboot", but in our very specific use case, we need to pump the brakes because we have to take the application into account.

MC Fruit Stripe fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Apr 23, 2017

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

MC Fruit Stripe posted:

They're going through what my team went through over the last few years. We exploded in growth from a mom and pop, to mid sized, to enterprise, all within a 5 year period. Go easy on them - they WANT to grow, and they realize a lot of their processes are garbage, but a lot of them were Good Enough for the time.

In my own case, there were 3 of us doing what a team of 50 now does. 3 people can't do the work of 50 people, so there was a lot of jack of all trades, put a bandaid on it, close enough is good enough going on. Now it's a whole new story. Much better. Just takes time to grow into it - not because they/we think/thought that our way was the best, it's just that you don't want to break anything that IS working while you change all the processes.

e: An example from my own growth would be patching. Our application doesn't self heal. You have to take it down and bring it up in a very specific way. It's tedious af, as the kids would say. It's tedious with 3 people, it's tedious with 50. It's tempting for a consultant to kick the door down as though he's the first person ever to hear about a patching tool, "listen children as I tell you that you can simply patch every server at once and schedule a reboot", but in our very specific use case, we need to pump the brakes because we have to take the application into account.

The biggest issue I'm running into, and I have 10 years of doing consulting with IT Operations groups and Datacenter groups, is that their processes are not documented, they have no Standards and Practices, nothing is documented. Even their infrastructure is nothing more than a drawining on a whiteboard, the only hard infrasctructure documentation they have is more than 4 years old now.

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