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The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008
Dear everyone who hasn't watched DOTA in a while: support monkey king is a thing.

I still don't know why people are drafting Arc warden or troll though.

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FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter
They both make uphill a slog with the blinds and both do tons of damage and can mid? Feels experimental tbh

Kainser
Apr 27, 2010

O'er the sea from the north
there sails a ship
With the people of Hel
at the helm stands Loki
After the wolf
do wild men follow
The group stage isn't super important in this tournament so yeah, I can see teams experimenting a bit.

e; also I think this midas on AM proves that icefrog has gone too far

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
Talents are so drat important that you want any EXP multipliers available.

Centzon Totochtin
Jan 2, 2009

The REAL Goobusters posted:

Dear everyone who hasn't watched DOTA in a while: support monkey king is a thing.

I still don't know why people are drafting Arc warden or troll though.

Magnus troll does some really dumb poo poo sometimes

I wouldn't say troll is a top-tier pick but he's certainly not a bad hero

Centzon Totochtin
Jan 2, 2009
Wait isn't aghs better than linkens for AM

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Sweet jesus burning is so absurdly farmed

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe
DK with the Phoenix ray on him is so hilariously tanky

Centzon Totochtin
Jan 2, 2009
jerax????

RisqueBarber
Jul 10, 2005

Can anyone beat IG

ElNarez
Nov 4, 2009
arms too short to box with b-gods

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

burning is almost at 1k gpm on anti mage

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
Holy poo poo that was one hell of a game by iG.

Edit: 1040gpm hahaha.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

1040 gpm antimage :stare:

scaterry
Sep 12, 2012

TheRat posted:

burning is almost at 1k gpm on anti mage


TheRat posted:

1040 gpm antimage :stare:

Who needs alchemist

Centzon Totochtin
Jan 2, 2009
I'm glad Boboka is already on IG so another team doesn't get destroyed when IG inevitably poaches him

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/PyrionFlax/status/856526919172587523

Centzon Totochtin
Jan 2, 2009

Pureauthor posted:

Holy poo poo that was one hell of a game by iG.

Edit: 1040gpm hahaha.

pretty sure you have to file taxes on GPM that high

RisqueBarber
Jul 10, 2005

great interview, I feel my game improving already

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
btw TNC vs TBirds is also a pretty crazy game.

Majuju
Dec 30, 2006

I had a beer with Stephen Miller once and now I like him.
TNC.Raven obliterating some people's compendium predictions (do they count for the group stage)

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

Centzon Totochtin posted:

Wait isn't aghs better than linkens for AM

yeah but turns out didnt matter

RisqueBarber
Jul 10, 2005

https://twitter.com/followNoxville/status/856531988873871363

RisqueBarber fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Apr 24, 2017

Nam Taf
Jun 25, 2005

I am Fat Man, hear me roar!

Centzon Totochtin posted:

Wait isn't aghs better than linkens for AM
Came here to ask that. Comparing it:

Aghs:
+10 Strength
+10 Agility
+10 Intelligence
+175 Health
+175 Mana
+ Block 1 spell every 12 seconds

Linkins:
+15 Strength
+15 Agility
+15 Intelligence
+6 Health regeneration
+150% Mana regeneration
+15 Attack damage
+ Blocks 1 spell every 13 seconds

When you crunch numbers, that is:
pre:
		Linken's	Agh's
HP 		300		375
Mana		180		295
Regen		6.45		0.3
Armour		2.14		1.43
ASPD		15		10
Mana Regen	0.6		0.4
Damage		30		10
So to me the only advantages of Linken's is the added regen and the minor ASPD/damage/armour increase, none of which AM needs given Bfury/agi hero/low BAT.

RisqueBarber
Jul 10, 2005

EG is playing a different meta

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax
cr1t what are u doing

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe
Good lord the Ice Brood here is loving brutal

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax
last pick brood, is gg

funmanguy
Apr 20, 2006

What time is it?
Is it just me, or is Crit not the best drafter?

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

iceiceiced

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
C'mon Faceless!

CVE
Jan 27, 2012

Nam Taf posted:

Came here to ask that. Comparing it:

Aghs:
+10 Strength
+10 Agility
+10 Intelligence
+175 Health
+175 Mana
+ Block 1 spell every 12 seconds

Linkins:
+15 Strength
+15 Agility
+15 Intelligence
+6 Health regeneration
+150% Mana regeneration
+15 Attack damage
+ Blocks 1 spell every 13 seconds

When you crunch numbers, that is:
pre:
		Linken's	Agh's
HP 		300		375
Mana		180		295
Regen		6.45		0.3
Armour		2.14		1.43
ASPD		15		10
Mana Regen	0.6		0.4
Damage		30		10
So to me the only advantages of Linken's is the added regen and the minor ASPD/damage/armour increase, none of which AM needs given Bfury/agi hero/low BAT.

You can put Linkens on an ally is the big thing here. Not usually something carries do in random pubs but here he could put it on storm who initiated and then join in himself when the cd was almost up.

Centzon Totochtin
Jan 2, 2009

Nam Taf posted:

Came here to ask that. Comparing it:

Aghs:
+10 Strength
+10 Agility
+10 Intelligence
+175 Health
+175 Mana
+ Block 1 spell every 12 seconds

Linkins:
+15 Strength
+15 Agility
+15 Intelligence
+6 Health regeneration
+150% Mana regeneration
+15 Attack damage
+ Blocks 1 spell every 13 seconds

When you crunch numbers, that is:
pre:
		Linken's	Agh's
HP 		300		375
Mana		180		295
Regen		6.45		0.3
Armour		2.14		1.43
ASPD		15		10
Mana Regen	0.6		0.4
Damage		30		10
So to me the only advantages of Linken's is the added regen and the minor ASPD/damage/armour increase, none of which AM needs given Bfury/agi hero/low BAT.

don't you also reflect the DK stun back onto him unless he BKBs

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

Centzon Totochtin posted:

don't you also reflect the DK stun back onto him unless he BKBs

yes

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax
xy is no boboka

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe
Every EG game I've seen recently (mainly DAC) is just all eggs in the Sumail basket. Its almost like the old 4 protect 1 in terms of net worth splits.

mikeraskol
May 3, 2006

Oh yeah. I was killing you.
EG just looks like a bad drafting team to me. Arteezy is always DOA and finds himself in the middle of the pack net worth 15-20 minutes in the game.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

Every EG game I've seen recently (mainly DAC) is just all eggs in the Sumail basket. Its almost like the old 4 protect 1 in terms of net worth splits.

ppd used to explain his drafts with this concept of a polarizing player who sets the tempo and is used by the rest of the team to structure fights / pushes around him. that player is/was sumail. it feels like cr1t listened to that but didn't fully understand the idea.

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe
Oh man is Universe doing the Aghs/Octarine pure cancerous NP build

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Centzon Totochtin
Jan 2, 2009
Sumail dying trying to save rtz smdh

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