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namesake posted:As annoying as it is, I've been saying since Brexit that the UK political landscape is going to realign with the two major parties being ideologically rightwing nationalist and the other for international neoliberalism with Labour being reduced to third party status on a social democratic platform and while it won't happen this election I reckon it might in 2022. At the moment the Tories are both rightwing nationalist and neoliberal though? Who do you predict is going to be this second party to rise and challenge them?
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jabby posted:At the moment the Tories are both rightwing nationalist and neoliberal though? Who do you predict is going to be this second party to rise and challenge them? New Soc Dem splitters who will merge with the Lib Dem party to form the Lib Dem Dem (this time we mean it) party. It will be glorious.
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TheRat posted:So you think it's acceptable to nuke your own country if you're being invaded? That's pretty loving psychopathic Uhhh I suggest you look up NATO defence plans for World War 3. I mean, yes, tactical nukes in West Germany but I'm not sure that's much consolation if you're hit by one.
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Why do people want more bank holidays? They're annoying, and use up holiday days I could otherwise use in a block to actually do something.
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sassassin posted:Why do people want more bank holidays? They're annoying, and use up holiday days I could otherwise use in a block to actually do something. I didn't realise including public holidays in leave allowances was a thing until I saw it in my partner's contract for her new job. Mine have always been over and above public holidays. You'd hope that if we got new bank holidays they'd include a clause to force employers to actually give them (or at least days in lieu) to their employees.
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Using nations saints days as an excuse means that most of them will be clumped around Easter too, April - May already having pretty much all our bank holidays outside of Xmas. Would be nice to have them a bit spread out like July - November.
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forkboy84 posted:Might I suggest the 30th of January, in celebration of the execution of Charles I? Too close to the new January 25th & 26th bank holidays in Scotland. Lord of the Llamas posted:I didn't realise including public holidays in leave allowances was a thing until I saw it in my partner's contract for her new job. Mine have always been over and above public holidays. You'd hope that if we got new bank holidays they'd include a clause to force employers to actually give them (or at least days in lieu) to their employees. Same, bank holidays should be in addition to normal leave.
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big scary monsters posted:Same, bank holidays should be in addition to normal leave. I'd prefer more leave allowance to more days off that have to be taken on specific Mondays when everything's closed. It's a massive hassle trying to run a business when there's a big 4 day weekend in the middle of the busiest stretch in the year. If everyone's got more leave days you can at least still keep the machines running.
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Annual leave is 28 days cause its the minimum mandated 4 weeks plus the 8 bank and public holidays included in your allowance
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sassassin posted:I'd prefer more leave allowance than more days off that have to be taken on specific Mondays when everything's closed. Businesses can already do that if they want.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I didn't realise including public holidays in leave allowances was a thing until I saw it in my partner's contract for her new job. Mine have always been over and above public holidays. You'd hope that if we got new bank holidays they'd include a clause to force employers to actually give them (or at least days in lieu) to their employees. I didn't know that either, that makes the UK annual leave even more shambolic:  e: or maybe it's illegal I guess. still e2: or not?
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Businesses can already do that if they want. No one showed up.
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Weavered posted:Using nations saints days as an excuse means that most of them will be clumped around Easter too, April - May already having pretty much all our bank holidays outside of Xmas. Would be nice to have them a bit spread out like July - November. Yeah, we could really do with one each in May, June, July and September. Dump Good Friday, move the Spring Holiday to June (but keep May Day even if we don't call it that any more...) and that's only an extra two days. I'd accept calling them Waterloo Day and Blenheim Day if it gets the Tories onside.
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sassassin posted:No one showed up. If the employees actually do want to use a leave day on the bank holiday then there's not much you can do about it really I guess?
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The 28 days figure was arrived at by adding the bank holidays into the EU wrt minimum of 20. You have to get 28 if you're a full time worker
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Apr 24, 2017 19:56
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Get rid of every bank holiday, get rid of lunch breaks, make Saturday a work day and change the standard working day to 9 till 2 (school starts at 8 and ends at 7)
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sassassin posted:Get rid of every bank holiday, get rid of lunch breaks, make Saturday a work day and change the standard working day to 9 till 2 (school starts at 8 and ends at 7) Nah. Although the 30 hour work week sounds like an improvement.
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big scary monsters posted:Same, bank holidays should be in addition to normal leave. Uhhhhh but they are Unless you work for an extremely lovely company or something, you should get a minimum of 25 days holidays + 8 national bank holidays Or is this my loving bourgie bubble again? Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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jabby posted:At the moment the Tories are both rightwing nationalist and neoliberal though? Who do you predict is going to be this second party to rise and challenge them? Private Speech posted:New Soc Dem splitters who will merge with the Lib Dem party to form the Lib Dem Dem (this time we mean it) party. Not quite as dumb as this but yeah, the rich and powerful who love the course globalisation has taken so far and benefit from it will start trying to push it again and various pro-business politicians and groups will be easily convinced to ditch the xenophobic nationalism of Brexit in favour of more money to London and themselves (wait for 'past and future workshop of the world' rhetoric to start clashing with 'Britain for the British' and you'll know it's coming). The Lib Dems will get sucked into this group as well because why wouldn't they? and suddenly urban areas will start pulling towards this group because of their 'positive' and business friendly 'sensible' policies.
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sassassin posted:Get rid of every bank holiday, get rid of lunch breaks, make Saturday a work day and change the standard working day to 9 till 2 (school starts at 8 and ends at 7) Not sure an 11 hour school day is very sensible. How about keep bank holidays and don't have them count towards your time off, keep lunch breaks, and extend the weekend by 2 extra days? While working no extra hours. While also increasing the minimum wage so that such hours are affordable. (Also, speaking as someone who has regularly had a 2 hour each way commute, the idea of having to do it 6 days a week makes me want to barf. I'd much rather working longer hours on fewer days than more days but less hours each day. If I had to do a 12 hour day in order to do 3 day weeks I absolutely would without hesitation. Longer weekends also means more money in my pocket at the end of the month because those days off are days I'm not having to pay Stagecoach for their lovely bus service.)
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Pochoclo posted:Uhhhhh but they are It has already been posted apparently it's 20 + 8 not 25.
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Weavered posted:Using nations saints days as an excuse means that most of them will be clumped around Easter too
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Lord of the Llamas posted:It has already been posted apparently it's 20 + 8 not 25. Just for extra confusion its 20 days + 5 bank holidays + 3 common law public holidays, though that's a bit wonky when you account for regional variations
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Of course then you have Northern Ireland which has an extra 2 bank holidays, and Scotland with extra 1, but the national minimum annual leave remains 28 which was structured around the existing English/Welsh days so the national minimum leave doesn't exactly line up with all available bank holidays for people - I would assume the intention of a new national bank holiday would be to extend annual leave, but you'd have to specifically alter the legislation relating to annual leave for that I think
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Guavanaut posted:St. Andrew's Day is November 30, St. Edmund's Day is November 20. Padraig, David, Piran, and the Norman's George are all around Easter, but that could be solved by getting some better saints. Saint Didacus is November 7, Lawrence is August 10, Jude is October 28 and would be a good one for the UK. Who were these people and why do we care about them enough to stop working?
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sassassin posted:Who were these people and why do we care about them enough to stop working? Let's get a day off for Brunel, Cromwell and Attlee (make them saints while we're at it).
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Hmm yes st cromwell yes nothing wrong there nope
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This story shall the good man teach his son; And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remember'd; We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition: And gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day. Saints Days are dumb and Labour shouldn't pander to UKIP to this extreme LemonyTang fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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kustomkarkommando posted:Hmm yes st cromwell yes nothing wrong there nope Ok not in N. Ireland then, just in England/Scotland/Wales.
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Let's just make Saturday a work day and Monday a permanent bank holiday and be done with it.
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Private Speech posted:Ok not in N. Ireland then, just in England/Scotland/Wales. How do you celebrate Cromwell day exactly, behead a mannequin of a king and then torch your local irish pub
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kustomkarkommando posted:How do you celebrate Cromwell day exactly, behead a mannequin of a king and then torch your local irish pub Let's just have a general Regicides' Day. It'll balance out Bonfire Night.
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kustomkarkommando posted:How do you celebrate Cromwell day exactly, behead a mannequin of a king and then torch your local irish pub Something like that, sounds swell Alright not Cromwell then. Suggest a good civil war person. Or maybe someone from the Welsh Chartists
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Owain Glyndŵr
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The Principia Mathematica was published on the 5th of July, so that'd be an option.
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Monday closest to Remembrance Sunday. Breaks up the near four months between the August Bank Holiday and Christmas
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LemonDrizzle posted:The Principia Mathematica was published on the 5th of July, so that'd be an option. I'm fairly certain brexit means facts are banned
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Cable Street Day in the first week of October?
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LemonDrizzle posted:The Principia Mathematica was published on the 5th of July, so that'd be an option. The best suggestion so far.
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LemonyTang posted:Owain Glyndŵr That's a pretty good one, and we can swap Russell for one of the saints. E: Or Newton. But I like Russell better. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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