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420 Gank Mid posted:I don't know. Sure, for the people who experienced it. It's human nature to be highly adaptable and part of that is forgetting quickly. We've already push some horrific events of the early 20th century behind us and there are already different perspectives and versions of events even though people who experienced it are still around. Imagine what a thousand years can do. For example, Italians no longer have the same reverence for Augustus, who was literally deified and worshipped after his death. And who in the common public knows who John Enders is? Not even 100 years out from issues that had ravaged humanity since time immemorial.
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I'm wondering if it's going to be something like this: Jack returns to the past just after he got shunted forward, beats down the already weakened Aku, but before the final blow is struck, Aku possesses him (like in "the Aku Infection", except totally deliberate) and stabilizes the time loop.
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I've got a feeling they're not going to do any sort of time loop ending, because those suck, and Jack's quest being futile from the start isn't really the sort of positive note you bring a franchise back from a decade-plus hiatus to deliver. By the same token, I really don't think he'll just get back to the past and defeat Aku, thus erasing the current present, since it makes all this development of other characters and the setting Jack's helped so far kind of pointless. This very last episode was about Jack despairing because if he can't undo Aku then he's accomplished nothing and Ashi convinces him that the good he's done along the way has been worthwhile, a message that loses its power if he just undoes that too in the end.
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Someone mentioned earlier in thread that one the endings is a split in the timelines, in which Jack defeats Aku in the past, and Ashi fights Aku in the future. That seems like the most likely ending because they can have it both ways - Jack lives in a peaceful era, but the sacrifices he's made for Ashi and the others aren't erased.
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Granted, the big hurdle to overcome with that theory is how they'll both be able to wield the sword "at the same time" to defeat Aku in the past and present.
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Regalingualius posted:Granted, the big hurdle to overcome with that theory is how they'll both be able to wield the sword "at the same time" to defeat Aku in the past and present. splitscreen tossing it back and forth during the fight through the time portal
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Apr 24, 2017 19:12
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Or Jack beats Aku in the past first, then tosses the sword through the time portal before it closes forever. He gets to live in peace in his home time, and Ashi either immediately beats Aku in the future... or the sword goes off-course, and we get a sequel hook of her hunting for it.
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Regalingualius posted:Granted, the big hurdle to overcome with that theory is how they'll both be able to wield the sword "at the same time" to defeat Aku in the past and present. Honestly trying to figure out where Ashi keeps her kusarigama bugs me way more than this ever would
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Apr 24, 2017 19:58
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Jack going back and undoing the future we spent 4-5 years exploring with him is a sadder ending then if he just died in the future. I honestly don't see him getting to BOTH go back and also survive.
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Which is why it'll end on a cliffhanger, ala Duckman "We said we were giving a final conclusion to the show, not the story"
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Apr 24, 2017 20:05
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Aku fled across the desert, and the Samurai followed.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:42
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They might go for the split timeline thing but that sort of feels like a copout, since it's a sort of have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too situation where Jack can be a hero in the Aku present and save the past and there's no tension between those two goals. It also means Jack doesn't really have any more dilemmas to wrestle with aside from just being able to beat Aku in a fight. Which is maybe okay, that's a tall enough order and if it involves his friends and allies then it can be plenty satisfying, but a lot of energy's gone into setting up Jack's internal conflict so far and it's hard to say for sure that simply defeating the green samurai was the end of them. Ashi in particular seems to embody this conflict, and I don't think we've seen the last of her challenging Jack's worldview yet.
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NowonSA posted:I mean, I doubt they get into this, but there's all kinds of ways for time travel screwiness to take place. He could beat future Aku, go back to the past a minute after he was sent into the future, then lose to Aku in the past but Aku somehow forgets that, or time travel in itself could create parallel realities so the future people are still saved and exist, but in another timeline he comes back and stops it from happening in that one. Back to the past, back to the way things were, peaceful, I think he's being metaphorical.
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Some people were wondering what that creature was that guided Ashi to Jack. I think it's the one that guided Jack in the episode where he was tricked by Aku disguised as a woman.
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What was the episode which opened with Jack fighitng some aliens on flying bug robot things? He saved some, like, chipmunk looking aliens in like five minutes, then walked away and the rest of the episode happened. I was assuming the cloaked creature was one of those chipmunk aliens. I don't think that was the Arabian-theme episode mentioned above.
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Bobulus posted:What was the episode which opened with Jack fighitng some aliens on flying bug robot things? He saved some, like, chipmunk looking aliens in like five minutes, then walked away and the rest of the episode happened. I was assuming the cloaked creature was one of those chipmunk aliens. That's Jack Remembers the Past (which is particularly relevant to themes of the new series, come to think of it). The other thing about that intro is that's where that shot of cats riding on robot grasshoppers in the opening comes from.
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Serge Painsbourg posted:Someone mentioned earlier in thread that one the endings is a split in the timelines, in which Jack defeats Aku in the past, and Ashi fights Aku in the future. That seems like the most likely ending because they can have it both ways - Jack lives in a peaceful era, but the sacrifices he's made for Ashi and the others aren't erased. Him going back to the best means him not learning that lesson.
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I'm wondering if Jack is going to come to the rationalization that, while Aku is definitely an imbalance in the natural order of things, completely removing his influence on the development of the world by killing him in the past would create an even bigger imbalance. For better or worse, Aku opened the Earth up for technological development, and opened it up to countless worlds across the universe; while many of those newcomers (I.E. Space Russian from last episode) are bad, how many more are people who made a positive impact on the world around them?
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Regalingualius posted:I'm wondering if Jack is going to come to the rationalization that, while Aku is definitely an imbalance in the natural order of things, completely removing his influence on the development of the world by killing him in the past would create an even bigger imbalance. For better or worse, Aku opened the Earth up for technological development, and opened it up to countless worlds across the universe; while many of those newcomers (I.E. Space Russian from last episode) are bad, how many more are people who made a positive impact on the world around them? Sign me up for the Aku is overall a good influence on the world, right alongside the Empire did nothing wrong.
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Jack and an army of everyone he has helped beat the poo poo out of future Aku in a truly epic battle, then he waves at the survivors and they say their goodbyes. Maybe he says something about going back to the past to right all of Aku's wrongs, then he jumps through a portal and kills Past Aku. Those are my predictions. I don't think they'll make a point out of everyone in the future becoming unborn, because in Jack's eyes everything about this future is wrong.
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Sammus posted:I don't think they'll make a point out of everyone in the future becoming unborn, because in Jack's eyes everything about this future is wrong.
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Aku's influence spreads across timelines like the roots of a tree. Wipe out Aku at the source, and all the Akus across the universe wink out of existence for no discernible reason.
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RareAcumen posted:Aku's influence spreads across timelines like the roots of a tree. Wipe out Aku at the source, and all the Akus across the universe wink out of existence for no discernible reason. aku teams up with his past selves
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Aku activates Made in Heaven to create his 'True Heaven' where the FOOLISH SAMURAI WARRIOR never existed, but Ashi slips Weather Report's Stand disc into her head and destroys Aku while time accelerates around them. Ashi then finds herself next to a gas station in Florida where Scotsman is getting thrown off a bus for trying to pay in $100 bills...
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RareAcumen posted:Aku's influence spreads across timelines like the roots of a tree. Wipe out Aku at the source, and all the Akus across the universe wink out of existence for no discernible reason. Too bad about the ludonarrative dissonance.
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Oh, poo poo: http://yaleherald.com/reviews/tv-samurai-jack/ I saw a headline that Samurai Jack was being called out for homophobia, and was trying to guess why. As we all know, Scaramouche is gay. Even though the show never indicates his sexuality, you can tell from his flamboyant clothing and imitation of a famous, straight actor. And having a scatting, robot assassin be gay is homophobic because
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I would gently caress Scaramouche. Does that make me gay?
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You ride one talking penis...Sammus posted:Jack and an army of everyone he has helped beat the poo poo out of future Aku in a truly epic battle, then he waves at the survivors and they say their goodbyes. Maybe he says something about going back to the past to right all of Aku's wrongs, then he jumps through a portal and kills Past Aku. Those are my predictions. I think Timeless Appeal's right that they've been building toward the idea that hope lives even in Aku's future. If the original series had concluded normally then they might've done it that way, maybe have Aku destroy the whole world in his final pursuit of Jack so the way is clear for him to go back and undo everything without unintended consequences, but this revival's practically been a deconstruction of the original and its setting. They've been playing things too seriously to pretend like nobody'd consider the larger implications if Jack simply goes back and defeats Aku without addressing what that does to the future. All the effort put into Ashi in particular pretty much demands either this timeline continue or at least some kind of "split timeline" thing, any ending where Jack defeats Aku in the present with his friends' help then says "welp I'm going back to the past to erase you all from the timestream, peace out" would be crazy whiplash.
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Avasculous posted:Oh, poo poo: No one in tyool 2017 should take an actual headline about a cartoon series seriously or indeed any tv show. 
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Dolash posted:They've been playing things too seriously to pretend like nobody'd consider the larger implications if Jack simply goes back and defeats Aku without addressing what that does to the future. But it's worth remembering that if he stays in the future, he's essentially saying that his friends are worth more than literally billions of people that he could directly save from lifetimes of torture, slavery, and misery
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This discussion is the reason time travel plots are basically universally ducking stupid no matter what. TIME is not a thing or a place, it's an idea, and you cannot move to different points on an idea.
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Bust Rodd posted:This discussion is the reason time travel plots are basically universally ducking stupid no matter what. TIME is not a thing or a place, it's an idea, and you cannot move to different points on an idea. 
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Bust Rodd posted:This discussion is the reason time travel plots are basically universally ducking stupid no matter what. TIME is not a thing or a place, it's an idea, and you cannot move to different points on an idea. Imagine four samurai on the edge of a cliff...
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IronSaber posted:Imagine four FOOOOLISH SAMURAI WARRIORS on the edge of a cliff...
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