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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:PLEASE! do not feed the bad troll Sorry. I'm an Academy Award winning director/writer who also won the Nobel prize while attending both Harvard and Yale. I am a professor of TV-stuff so I've have a lot of experience listening to arguments about girls jumping on trampolines. UmOk fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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oliwan posted:Like i said before, i have an MA in literature, I'm an English teacher, i have lots of experience with listening to arguments about storytelling, thematics, etc. Please tell me why you think this was a good episode. For a bunch a book learnin you sure are a dumb rear end.
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Apr 24, 2017 23:45
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the trampoline scene, like everything else on the show, is about 9/11. the poses that Nora and Erika achieve invoke "The Falling Man" (and Tom Junod's Esquire article of same title about how some revisionist history has tried to erase WTC jumpers from the day's events.) the wu-tang clan, being a seminal NYC musical act of the era, is the only fitting soundtrack. by putting the wu-tang symbol on her arm, Nora is forever marked by 9/11, just as we all are, psychologically.
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Apr 24, 2017 23:50
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oliwan posted:Like i said before, i have an MA in literature, I'm an English teacher, i have lots of experience with listening to arguments about storytelling, thematics, etc. Please tell me why you think this was a good episode. LOL
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Apr 24, 2017 23:53
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JethroMcB posted:the trampoline scene, like everything else on the show, is about 9/11. the poses that Nora and Erika achieve invoke "The Falling Man" (and Tom Junod's Esquire article of same title about how some revisionist history has tried to erase WTC jumpers from the day's events.) the wu-tang clan, being a seminal NYC musical act of the era, is the only fitting soundtrack. by putting the wu-tang symbol on her arm, Nora is forever marked by 9/11, just as we all are, psychologically. What's 9/11?
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Apr 25, 2017 00:07
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oliwan posted:Like i said before, i have an MA in literature, I'm an English teacher, i have lots of experience with listening to arguments about storytelling, thematics, etc. Please tell me why you think this was a good episode. Sounds like you could've just skipped the degree and let us commoners tell you what's what.
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Apr 25, 2017 00:09
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UmOk posted:What's 9/11?
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Apr 25, 2017 00:22
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Lost really messed some people up
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General Dog posted:Lost really messed some people up 9/11 messed up more. Lost can't melt steel beams
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Apr 25, 2017 00:35
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Maybe I shouldn't do this. The trampoline scene showed that Nora is capable of childlike joy (though not enough for some total catharsis) even though her experiences have left her with a core of meanness and anger. (Go look at Lens for more of mean Nora. Also, Nora was mean, not to mention self-centered, to Tommy first before he replied in a mean way.) Another interpretation I'm not as sure of: these days trampolines are considered as dangerous as all get out, so Nora could have easily broken an appendage again. Nevertheless, she went and used it for momentary relief. This also says something about Erika, who is in the medical field and presumably knows something about trampoline injury rates.
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Apr 25, 2017 00:51
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No but it can bend them and suck them down into a hole.
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Apr 25, 2017 00:52
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Perfect Strangers was about 9/11
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UmOk posted:Perfect Strangers was about 9/11 Balki was an allegory for the loss of innocence, the naive, child-like faith in American hegemony as a moralizing force in a chaotic world. This reductive trope was easy for the morally vapid American bourgeoisie viewing audience to swallow unthinkingly, like a fat, putrid frog swallowing minnows. Larry represents the politically awoken, progressive thinkers, who vainly tried to convince Balki, ergo America, of the moral hubris of his actions but went tragically unheeded.
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Apr 25, 2017 01:26
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The trampoline scene to me was more- here's a show where every character has responded to loss and separation in drastic and desponding ways. Delusion, anger, depression, bodily harm, suicide, etc. And for once we finally get someone who, I think through what we saw of the character from the previous season, was the type of person who was able to construct for themselves some other method of coping that wasn't what we typically see. That has some air of finding relief in joy to it. Also, as another english grad and narrative writer, if you can't for one moment let a show like The Leftovers have some levity without thinking it's some meaningless dribble worth mocking then you got your nose way too close to the book my friend. The show at least, if nothing else, consistently surprises you.
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Apr 25, 2017 01:33
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Anyone listen to Lindelof on the Ringer podcast today? He was on I think last year and was really good. I'm going to listen soon. Someone said there might be a mini spoiler regarding how many more episodes a minor character is in it so beware if you care. No clue what that means but just thought I'd warn you
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Wooo! What a great episode. I was riveted during each scene. I'm going to miss the hell out of these characters when it's all over. Excited to see more of Kevin's dad. Kevin, Sr. was one of the best parts about season one. Missed him in my season two rewatch.
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Apr 25, 2017 01:55
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Oh, I just realized using a trampoline mimics "lifting off" from Earth to Heaven.
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Apr 25, 2017 02:14
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Everything that is important is in the Cloud, after all.
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Apr 25, 2017 02:20
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The trampoline stuff is weird and I'm not entirely sure it works, but as a weird stress relief thing it parallels Kevin's adventures in asphyxiation, Matt's writing of a New New Testament, the Busey inflatable, John's denial of Evie's death, the belief Tower Man Departed despite definitely dying, etc. Season 3 is really opening hard on this idea of people's mechanisms for coping with life manifesting in strange and sometimes unhealthy ways.
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oliwan posted:I will watch the remaining 6 episodes, but episode 2 was just... real bad. Is anyone still taking this show seriously after the wu tang trampoline scene? That was the dumbest thing I have seen in ages. We couldn't stop laughing during the whole thing, but not in a good way. Just out of curiosity, have you ever read Catch-22? Anything by Albert Camus? Matt Zerella posted:I'm in love with Carrie Coon. We all are, we all are.
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Also, I can't believe I recognized that theme song. It's had to have been at least twenty years since I last heard it. I spent most of this episode with a big smile on my face, with the exception of Nora's laughing in the face of Kevin's baby request, and I'm pretty sure that's how the showrunners want it (though they might actually want us laughing along with Nora too).
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At first this episode felt a little off to me, similar to what oliwan first said (but less insufferable). But as I thought about it I realized it was because normally with this show, and especially Nora episodes, we're usually shown the gut-wrenching depths of the characters unflinching and unfiltered. For example the scene in season one where she sees the replicas of her kids at the kitchen table and breaks down completely is still one of the best emotional scenes I've ever seen in anything. Yet in this episode, despite one gut-punch after the other, Nora / Carrie Coon never had a scene of completely letting loose like that. The closest was probably in the car after she saw Lily. So the episode withheld that climactic catharsis, pulling back each time instead into meta and ironic humor (of a different flavor than usual). But the way the show did that mirrors the current state of Nora herself, who is currently keeping up a facade at even her most vulnerable moments. TLDR: I felt this episode kept me at a distance emotionally, but then I realized it made sense because that's what Nora is doing more than ever before. oliwan posted:Well that's the thing: why tell us something that we already know, or have seen before? I can't remember any other time in the show where a character (here referring to Erika) genuinely moves on from their grief in a constructive, graceful way. Raxivace posted:The trampoline stuff is weird and I'm not entirely sure it works, but as a weird stress relief thing it parallels Kevin's adventures in asphyxiation, Matt's writing of a New New Testament, the Busey inflatable, John's denial of Evie's death, the belief Tower Man Departed despite definitely dying, etc. Except its the only coping mechanism shown in the entire show that's been healthy and constructive. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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UmOk posted:What's 9/11? I think he means 9/12, mate
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What's the title for the next episode? God, I really hope it's not "Did I do that?" or "Got any cheese?" 
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Apr 25, 2017 06:47
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I hope the show ends with Gary Busey looking (more then normally) confused what happened to him.
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Just started this. Holy poo poo it is slow. I don't see how it compares to lost.
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Lord Krangdar posted:Except its the only coping mechanism shown in the entire show that's been healthy and constructive.
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Raxivace posted:I meant that I'm not sure it works as a scene in the show, not that it isn't portrayed as healthy. I know, I just mean I don't think it parallels those other elements you listed as much as it contrasts with them.
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Finally got around to watching this some hours ago and I still have a huge grin on my face from them using the Perfect Strangers theme. I mean holy poo poo. From a background pop-culture joke in Season 1, to evolving the joke and a Mark Linn-Baker cameo in Season 2, to this amazing episode and actually having Linn-Baker guest star and the theme and the episode title. Just...holy poo poo. I'm wondering if maybe some people missed the parallel between Norah and Linn-Baker: She lost 3 people in the Departure, and Mark lost 3 people. Both incidents are statistically abnormal in their own way. Carrie Coon episodes are always so good. If she doesn't get an Emmy then...gently caress. (I know she probably won't for Norah...though she might for Fargo. Who knows.) "Wu-Tang Band" and the trampoline scene were loving great. Glad we'll be getting more Scott Glenn soon, but I am pretty confused about what is going on in the last scene. I understand that those women think the police chief named Kevin is actually Kevin Garvey but, if it takes place in current time (which it seems to), then how the gently caress are they quoting Matt's book about Kevin that there is only one copy in the world of, has just been written, and has been nowhere near Australia? What. The. gently caress. 
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So they invented a machine to microwave the leftovers?Fast Luck posted:Otherwise a pretty good episode though. Probably we get to Australia next episode and change gears a bit. A nice catch was Kevins (Damien Garvey) numberplate for his 4wd that hit the roo was ZCU666. The 666 might be a coincidence but who knows just yet. The Zxx numberplates in Victoria are reserved for Government or Commonwealth cars, so that checks out for a cop car. I didn't expect to see Francis Greenslade (comedian) or Damien Garvey in the show either, amusing to see local actors in a big HBO show. Longbaugh01 posted:Glad we'll be getting more Scott Glenn soon, but I am pretty confused about what is going on in the last scene. I understand that those women think the police chief named Kevin is actually Kevin Garvey but, if it takes place in current time (which it seems to), then how the gently caress are they quoting Matt's book about Kevin that there is only one copy in the world of, has just been written, and has been nowhere near Australia? What. The. gently caress. He moves to Australia with Nora next episode. He then stays there and becomes a police chief of some station somewhere rural. I mean, Nora has been living in Australia for decades going by the last scene of last weeks episode, why not Kevin? Scott Glen is just immortal. (Or Kevin is Garvy Sr. in the future) drunkill fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Longbaugh01 posted:Finally got around to watching this some hours ago and I still have a huge grin on my face from them using the Perfect Strangers theme. I mean holy poo poo. From a background pop-culture joke in Season 1, to evolving the joke and a Mark Linn- Maybe they were quoting something that came from Matt somehow, but its clear they didn't actually read his book because Matt's new mythology all centers around Miracle and he believes Kevin still can die if he leaves there. Also Matt could have easily lied about there only being one copy. He lied to Nora and then brazenly denied it this episode. drunkill posted:He moves to Australia with Nora next episode. He then stays there and becomes a police chief of some station somewhere rural. I mean, Nora has been living in Australia for decades going by the last scene of last weeks episode, why not Kevin? Scott Glen is just immortal. (Or Kevin is Garvy Sr. in the future) There is a news broadcast in the background at the beginning of the Australia sequence establishing that it takes place around the same time as the rest of the episode, not in the future.
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So, did they really pay Janel Maloney for two full seasons of being a literal prop, toss her one scene in the final season and that was that?
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One possibility for passages from the book making their way to Aus is that Michael has been uploading parts online behind Matt's back.
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Lord Krangdar posted:Also Matt could have easily lied about there only being one copy. He lied to Nora and then brazenly denied it this episode. When Kevin comes into the church to visit in Episode 1 Michael has something on his laptop and closes the lid to hide it, hence Kevin's joke of "Looking at porn?" They've probably published it online.
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The Dave posted:When Kevin comes into the church to visit in Episode 1 Michael has something on his laptop and closes the lid to hide it, hence Kevin's joke of "Looking at porn?" Right after that when Kevin leaves, Matt asks Michael if Kevin "saw it" or "saw anything" and Michael says no. So yeah, maybe Matt did lie and they've put it online. Which is even more interesting now because just in this episode Matt did his whole "I've never lied to you" thing with Norah.
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5 RING SHRIMP posted:Someone said there might be a mini spoiler regarding how many more episodes a minor character is in it so beware if you care. No clue what that means but just thought I'd warn you To be clear, the episode mentions a main character from Season 2 and how much they are specifically in this season. And to a larger part, their outcome.
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The Dave posted:To be clear, the episode mentions a main character from Season 2 and how much they are specifically in this season. Yeah I listened to it. It shouldn't ruin anything for anyone really but just wanted to give a warning before I got a chance to listen myself. I thought it was a pretty good interview. I love listening to those 3 talk. There was another little "spoiler" re: future Nora to kind of be confirmed as being "real"
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The Dave posted:To be clear, the episode mentions a main character from Season 2 and how much they are specifically in this season. And to a larger part, their outcome. Cn you spoiler tag this and explain it?
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Cn you spoiler tag this and explain it? weve seen all we will of Erika Murphy this season due to Regina King's scheduling conflicts. She's happy now in the Leftovers universe but don't expect to see anymore of her.
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So...this random youtube person made and uploaded this video on April 14th. He just happened to guess that they were going to use the Perfect Strangers theme for the opening based on the "Don't Be Ridiculous" episode title. This is pretty loving amazing if true! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZUFbEpSOCw
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