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IOwnCalculus posted:I remember when it first went on the schedule everyone was worried it would be a processional with no passing. I can't remember a race that hasn't had loads of good moves, though. In all honesty there wasn't a whole lot of passing, but the passing that happened was pretty good
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WindyMan posted:Are there many tracks where taking the outside line is a legit passing strategy, like turn 5 at Barber? Seems as if going outside there is almost as successful as going inside, especially with turn 8 going back to the right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bLSNIfO6LM
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i think it's awesome that a race in the middle of NASCAR country that does well attendance wise. What a great venue for IndyCar.
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IOwnCalculus posted:I remember when it first went on the schedule everyone was worried it would be a processional with no passing. I can't remember a race that hasn't had loads of good moves, though. I remember the worries. It was a motorcycle track, too narrow in the turns, the turn 8/9 chicane would be single file, blah blah blah. Turns out the track has many places to pass and is pretty forgiving towards aggressiveness (turn 5/6) though can still bite you if you overdo it. It's also got a couple of spots that I feel make the best passing zones: Medium-speed corner, longish straightaway, hard braking zone into a tight corner. A driver's race track, that Barber is. Zanardi passed Herta on the inside twice in two corners, so not quite!!!
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God Zanardi owns. I like the fact he's still racing in the Blancpain series and then kicking people's asses in the paralympics. Also Colton Herta being a badass at Indy Lights is a welcome development.
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FuzzySkinner posted:God Zanardi owns. Do you know if Alex is visiting that F4 driver? I hope he is.
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iospace posted:Do you know if Alex is visiting that F4 driver? I hope he is. I'd bet money he does. That was an absolutely horrific accident, and the way it unfolded with the live onboard made it even moreso. I didn't want to watch it a second time.  I wonder though, is that a kind of accident that's pretty much impossible to design a stronger/safer car for? It's like that kid is lucky to escape with just the loss of his legs. It was basically a full-speed, nose-first T-bone into a wall, which short of a rollcage for the legs isn't something I can imagine formula cars can get better protection for.
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FartingBedpost posted:The AJ Foyt cars are tragic. I really thought the Chevy switch would help. I guess not.
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Basticle posted:
Well, there is some truth to that statement. F1 washouts have found success Stateside.
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KingShibby posted:In all honesty there wasn't a whole lot of passing, but the passing that happened was pretty good I agree with this.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Well, there is some truth to that statement. F1 washouts have found success Stateside. The only thing is define "washout" Example? It feels like Rossi could have been successful in F1 had he actually been given a competitive ride. He always seem to outperform in Marrussia but obviously that team died off. I then look at a guy like Lance Stroll and see him under preform with a historically good team in the form of Williams. Like I get it if the guy just flat out sucked when given the chance at Mercedes, Red Bull, Williams, Renault, McLaren, or Ferrari. But when you're running backmarker? The odds are so incredibly small that you'll be able to actually succeed is pretty small. Guys like Kimi have pulled it off via running great laps before with a backmarket,, but I imagine a lot of that has to do with politics versus a guy like say the late Justin Wilson. Plus it's all about playing politics. Lot of drivers grow tired of that and go "gently caress it", run sports cars, touring cars or Indy. e: Same thing with Cup really. JJ Yeley ran the 18 for Gibbs. Couldn't do anything with it, and is now riding with Tommy Baldwin. Hornish Jr. was in the 12 and 22 for Penske. Same story. But I imagine there's a world of difference between guys like those and guys that LASTCAR could rattle off as "one offs" who have never had a shot at a decent Cup ride. FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:Plus it's all about playing politics. Lot of drivers grow tired of that and go "gently caress it", run sports cars, touring cars or Indy. It's really dumb to call most drivers "F1 washouts" partly because of this, but mostly because there are only so many seats to go around to a metric fuckton of drivers that could competently fill them. That someone isn't in the top 25 or whatever in terms of not being in an F1 seat doesn't make them second tier, in the same way that fringe/the worst NBA players could destroy most people at basketball despite that.
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The only person I think people can universally agree is a "washout" is Sato. Because he's bad in Indy too.
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WindyMan posted:It's really dumb to call most drivers "F1 washouts" partly because of this, but mostly because there are only so many seats to go around to a metric fuckton of drivers that could competently fill them. That someone isn't in the top 25 or whatever in terms of not being in an F1 seat doesn't make them second tier, in the same way that fringe/the worst NBA players could destroy most people at basketball despite that. well and f1 is not a spec series. So we don't really know if say...Marcus Ericsson can mix it up with Hamilton or Vettel. iospace posted:The only person I think people can universally agree is a "washout" is Sato. I mean Bourdais...maybe? Torro Rosso being Red Bull's B-team certainly didn't help things, but Vettel did take off like a rocket with them in spite of that during the same season. Bourdais didn't succeed in F1, but he had success in sports car racing over in europe and over here. F1 just seemed like a bad fit for him.  auto racing seems to fit him like a glove though. Max Chilton?
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I'm holding off on this year for judgement on Chilton, but it's not looking good. Also, what the hell is up with Marco? I mean today was just bad luck on his car deciding to take a poo poo, but him thinking he could coast on his family name is really starting to show. Also, F1 is... I dunno, it's sort of weird. Like a comparison I make between F1 and Indy is MLB vs Nippon Professional Baseball. Are the cars in F1 the fastest open wheel cars in the world on road courses? Oh yeah, they are for a few reasons. Are the drivers the best? Arguably, but it's hard to get a 1-1 comparison when there's not much crossover until later on the F1 driver's careers when they decide to try Indy. Yeah you have things like Race of Champions and the former IROC, but those involve things that the drivers normally don't race, and IROC tended to favor stock car drivers for the obvious reasons. Indy on the other hand, not as famous internationally, but well loved locally. I consider it a top tier series, but you can make an argument that F1 is higher, if only because those cars are bonkers compared to Indy. They're both good in their own rights, and I love them both all the same.
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iospace posted:The only person I think people can universally agree is a "washout" is Sato. I disagree about the "bad" part. He's average at best.
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WindyMan posted:It's really dumb to call most drivers "F1 washouts" partly because of this, but mostly because there are only so many seats to go around to a metric fuckton of drivers that could competently fill them. That someone isn't in the top 25 or whatever in terms of not being in an F1 seat doesn't make them second tier, in the same way that fringe/the worst NBA players could destroy most people at basketball despite that. I didn't say they were bad. One of the reasons I like AOWR in general is that it allowed guys who didn't necessarily have the chances in F1 to shine. Guys like Teo Fabi, Roberto Moreno, Gugelmin, Zanardi etc.
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It happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM9KLBArpB8
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Yup, still hype as gently caress about this.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Yup, still hype as gently caress about this. May came early this year! 
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Replace the sk1 f1 assholes with american moustache man. Pat Symonds can stay.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Yup, still hype as gently caress about this. Yeah we'll have to get some sort of goon meet 500 weekend, I'm camping in the coke lot again
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Honestly, the best thing to do would probably pick a time and location at the track on carb day. Everyone will be going to that too, so logistics is easier. I always watch final practice and the lights race from inside the turn 1 fence once I grab beers from whatever suite I'm in.
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We should attempt getting a suite at the 500 one year. Phoenix this weekend, I'll be in town Thursday evening, have "fan suite" tickets like I did last year. Gonna enjoy the hell out of that air conditioning.
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Bentai posted:We should attempt getting a suite at the 500 one year. I would be down for getting in on this in the next year or three.
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DoctorGonzo posted:Replace the sk1 f1 assholes with american moustache man. Pat Symonds can stay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd6ycKaNX4Q Robin Miller is an IndyCar/Auto Racing journalist icon. He got in a fight with AJ Foyt back in the day, and he's obsessed with comparing drivers to Parnelli Jones. iospace posted:Also, F1 is... I dunno, it's sort of weird. Like a comparison I make between F1 and Indy is MLB vs Nippon Professional Baseball. Are the cars in F1 the fastest open wheel cars in the world on road courses? Oh yeah, they are for a few reasons. Are the drivers the best? Arguably, but it's hard to get a 1-1 comparison when there's not much crossover until later on the F1 driver's careers when they decide to try Indy. Yeah you have things like Race of Champions and the former IROC, but those involve things that the drivers normally don't race, and IROC tended to favor stock car drivers for the obvious reasons. In order to kinda go "Driver X" is the best? You're correct. You need to have places like Indianapolis, Daytona, Le Mans, Sebring, and such be "meet ups" of the best domestic, international talent meeting up to go against each other. Human Grand Prix posted:I didn't say they were bad. One of the reasons I like AOWR in general is that it allowed guys who didn't necessarily have the chances in F1 to shine. Guys like Teo Fabi, Roberto Moreno, Gugelmin, Zanardi etc. Lot of Americans like Sullivan, Cheever, and such found their way here after kinda being passed up in europe.
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http://www.indycar.com/News/2017/04/04-25-Alonso-and-teammates I'm still stupidly excited for this.
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Let's get Junyer to race Indy next year as a one-off and have Earnhardt vs. Alonso.
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I can't believe how much more possible that is at this moment compared to a week or two ago.
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Dude's retiring from NASCAR to prevent his brain from getting any more scrambled, I don't think open wheel anything is in the cards.
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https://twitter.com/McLarenIndy/status/856841587330093057
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iospace posted:http://www.indycar.com/News/2017/04/04-25-Alonso-and-teammates If you're not excited, you are either dead inside, or getting your news from a 13-year-old girl.
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Just received this interesting and I think great press release from The Happiest Place on EarthIndianapolis Motor Speedway posted:IMS Seating To Be Smoke-Free Beginning in October 2017 Only applies to the grandstands, so feel free to toke away in the Snake Pit
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Hey guys, I haven't even posted on this damned forum in like a year-plus, but if anyone remembers (probably not), I posted about a year and a half ago about attending my first Indy race and everyone recommended going to Barber. Well, finally made it this year, and just wanted to thank everyone for the recommendation. Gorgeous facility, the museum was awesome, and also apparently my brother has connections there because he was able to gift me a couple Paddock Club tickets when I mentioned I was going.   Even got to be up close for the podium ceremony!  Needless to say, after years of watching races on TV, it was a huge treat to finally get to see the drivers, cars and action in person. Thanks again to everyone for the recommendation, that was definitely a gorgeous and inviting track to experience my first race at. Pretty cool that my favorite driver won, too! 
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KingShibby posted:Just received this interesting and I think great press release from The Happiest Place on Earth Rude. What did Tony Stewart do to them?
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Space Racist posted:Hey guys, I haven't even posted on this damned forum in like a year-plus, but if anyone remembers (probably not), I posted about a year and a half ago about attending my first Indy race and everyone recommended going to Barber. I'm glad you enjoyed it. It was a good race.
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