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Voting for Doodlebug because I have to have back my own proposals.
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Apr 25, 2017 18:40
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My problem with any plan that involves trying to hit the diamonds before the S-300 is that doing so means we likely get any missiles we lob at the diamond truck shot down by the S-300 and/or its Tunguska buddies, while unable to engage the SAMs fast enough to take advantage of them having used up some of their ready missiles.
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Apr 25, 2017 18:46
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Vando posted:My tweak is still "what do we do if the S-300 is covering the rest of the Bulgarian force like it obviously will be?" This is a valid point, I think while focusing on the S-300 to the exclusion of the actual objectives is a good stance, having a contingency for it being an obstacle to those goals is a good call. I think maybe we have the crown-type thing for our air wing, the grenade for our ground forces, and the bee for Goonfleet. I figure we allow for some customization, such as allowing nose art, but keep a fairly consistent camo scheme. Or each 'squadron has its own emblem. The obvious pick is  for the Frogfoots/CAS unit.
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Apr 25, 2017 18:51
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My problem with just leaving the S-300 alone is that it can seriously cramp our operations, especially if additional batteries start showing up in theatre or the Angolan air defences are re-organised along our front. The recent bad showing of SMARF does free them up somewhat to do that and a dozen Kfirs won't substantially change that balance.
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Apr 25, 2017 18:52
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The Sandman posted:My problem with any plan that involves trying to hit the diamonds before the S-300 is that doing so means we likely get any missiles we lob at the diamond truck shot down by the S-300 and/or its Tunguska buddies, while unable to engage the SAMs fast enough to take advantage of them having used up some of their ready missiles. S300 radar detects low altitude threats at a much shorter range and the cruise missile will travel very low Also unless it is right on top of the convoy it has to intercept from an angle which will be less effective than against a direct strike Its be nice to have cruise missiles and a bunch of harms but somebody lost two tornados 
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Apr 25, 2017 18:55
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UberJew posted:Its be nice to have cruise missiles and a bunch of harms but somebody lost two tornados 
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Apr 25, 2017 19:03
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Rough plane design: Let's people have their own personal logos in addition to whatever we decide for the corporate one.
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Apr 25, 2017 19:14
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Can we also get a big ol' middle finger painted on the ventral side of our aircraft?
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Apr 25, 2017 19:17
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sniper4625 posted:Let's people have their own personal logos in addition to whatever we decide for the corporate one. We've already had a proper corporate logo since the start.
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Apr 25, 2017 19:16
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We can paint that one big on the bottom of the wings, so as to be visible from the ground for advertising purposes. Otherwise yeah under the pilot window as the other one.
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Apr 25, 2017 19:19
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That's the roundel on the nose of the one I put together. Edit: I forgot to plant the hayard gunnes on there, will fix at some point. Quinntan fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Apr 25, 2017 19:20
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Quinntan posted:That's the roundel on the nose of the one I put together. And it works quite well as our roundel. If we do personal logos, remember the traditions of air warfare and put them in the proper place
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Apr 25, 2017 19:25
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I wish you nerds would stay on target and focus on one thing (battleplans) and not get distracted by shiny objects 
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Apr 25, 2017 19:27
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Vando posted:I wish you nerds would stay on target and focus on one thing (battleplans) and not get distracted by shiny objects So are you in favor of LED animated gif logos or not? I can't tell from this post.
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Apr 25, 2017 19:30
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UberJew posted:S300 radar detects low altitude threats at a much shorter range and the cruise missile will travel very low And the Tunguskas? I'm making the assumption here that we have some time to work with as far as taking out the diamonds, since they're in ordinary trucks and we know both their route and their schedule. They won't be expecting us to attack them (and thus deliberately changing either of those things) until we actually attack them. Therefore, we can adjust what we swat them with based on circumstances, using cheaper and shorter-range munitions if we don't have to get the strike through a functioning air defense net.
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Apr 25, 2017 19:30
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Vando posted:I wish you nerds would stay on target and focus on one thing (battleplans) and not get distracted by shiny objects Substance with style is how we'll stand out.
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Apr 25, 2017 19:33
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 Added Hâyard-Günnes wording to the tail. EDIT: Did a frogfoot, and put the obvious on the tail 
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Apr 25, 2017 19:35
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Voting for By The Numbers also might I suggest this image for our emblem (only size I got) 
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Apr 25, 2017 19:38
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Yooper this LP is amazing. Paint job should be haze grey with little accents in that HG green and the orange Yooper uses for the briefing slide.
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Apr 25, 2017 20:09
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Yooper posted:No idea. I'm not sure anyone has brought it up since like page 3. Some choices. Black Aggressors  DigiCamo  Blue Splinter Camo  Grey Splinter  Classic Black & White  The Green Monster  Swedish Classic  Grey Waves  The Jolly Roger  Tigers of Tibet 
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Apr 25, 2017 20:21
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Going down route 235 today and a big E-2D Hawkeye flew over the road on final at a few hundred feet. Wish I had my phone out for a quick pic 
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Apr 25, 2017 20:24
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sniper4625 posted:We can paint that one big on the bottom of the wings, so as to be visible from the ground for advertising purposes. Otherwise yeah under the pilot window as the other one. That's the cockpit. It's a small room with pilot(s) in it, but that's not important right now. If we want personalisation, I direct you to Triple A posted:And it works quite well as our roundel. If we do personal logos, remember the traditions of air warfare and put them in the proper place Quinntan posted:
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Apr 25, 2017 20:29
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I would prefer my SK60 be painted like the red baron.
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Apr 25, 2017 20:31
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Bacarruda posted:Some choices. drat that's a sexy camo.
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Apr 25, 2017 20:43
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Honestly the SK60's should just be painted with a big red bullseye on them. Perhaps we can get Target to sponsor them?
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Apr 25, 2017 20:49
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That camo on the Gripen is a shoop job, the camo on the gripen I've been futzing around with is the proper version. Speaking of Swedish paint jobs...   Edit: Sorry, Timg'd those pictures. Quinntan fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Apr 25, 2017 20:51
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Quinntan posted:That camo on the Gripen is a shoop job, the camo on the gripen I've been futzing around with is the proper version. I love that there's a box of legos for kids to play with near the nose of that jet. As a guy with a kid who loves legos, gently caress yah, that's awesome. Then I can actually enjoy this poo poo while my kid builds something. Vote Chat 20 Votes. Keep em coming! So far it's looking good. Sorry to have derailed the vote with paint chat. But look at some of those sweet sweet paint jobs.
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Apr 25, 2017 20:54
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Sorry for posting more of these paint jobs, but this one is just glorious.
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Apr 25, 2017 20:59
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^^^ That's incredibly sweet, whose plane is that?Yvonmukluk posted:That's the cockpit. It's a small room with pilot(s) in it, but that's not important right now. I stand by "Pilot Window."  Agree on the  frogfoot.
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Apr 25, 2017 21:06
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Swedish Air Force Viggen, don't know the reason for the special paint job, maybe a retirement one? This red Viggen is a retirement one though, I know that much. Edit: And while I'm at it, have an Austrian Draken. 
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Apr 25, 2017 21:13
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Guess the thread is p firmly trending in other directions already but here's my entry: Logo/roundel is just a mockup to quickly show the color scheme and placement, winged grenade would look sweet there as well. e: with grenade  vvvvvv aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Apr 25, 2017 21:15
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I stand by having this as our emblem
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Apr 25, 2017 21:17
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I think the Swedish Classic (which apparently is not in fact a Swedish classic) seems like a winner for the colour scheme to me! Though I think Quinntan's choice of markings is ideal.
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Apr 25, 2017 21:24
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Speaking of cool Viggen camos:  Basically, replace swedish roundel with Hayard-Gunes roundel and put a big-rear end grenade on the bottom of the aircraft. also, voting for Black Diamond. e: timg'ed, sorry Gervasius fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Apr 25, 2017 21:26
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UberJew posted:e: also i said we should hit the truck with a cruise missile earlier and that's the only plan that goes with that so Hey! Reverse Isaia Mustafa also hits the truck with cruise missiles! (I'm voting for my own plan. If it doesn't make it then my runoff vote goes to Bacarruda's plan.) Bacarruda posted:To all the voters out there, I'm open to minor last-minute suggestions and tweaks to Black Diamond (assuming Yooper is ok with it). My only real criticism is that the Taurus missiles are wasted on the S-300. There's more than enough time for the S-300 to shoot them down after they pop up over the horizon. I might also add a note that it's possible to program them with a flight path that avoids hazards and flies down valleys, although that would mean Shift-F1 manual targeting.
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Apr 25, 2017 21:30
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Ok we have to give the SK-60's some dragon-themed nose art at the very least. We can't just have these lovely little trainers that killed an entire base of 5th gen stealth fighters without suffering a scratch in return and NOT commemorate that somehow.
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Apr 25, 2017 21:32
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Crazycryodude posted:Ok we have to give the SK-60's some dragon-themed nose art at the very least. We can't just have these lovely little trainers that killed an entire base of 5th gen stealth fighters without suffering a scratch in return and NOT commemorate that somehow. Seconding this. Either dragons or a crying panda.  Cruise missile chat: I'm more worried about the Tunguska. Isn't the Tunguska radar guided as well and would it be possible to jam or otherwise disable it somehow? PenguinSalsa fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Apr 25, 2017 21:38
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PenguinSalsa posted:Seconding this. Dragons or a crying panda. Tunguska's missile altitude is absurdly low. Flying over ~15,000 ft means you're immune. Our Phantoms can mop them up easily.
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Apr 25, 2017 21:40
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Crazycryodude posted:Ok we have to give the SK-60's some dragon-themed nose art at the very least. We can't just have these lovely little trainers that killed an entire base of 5th gen stealth fighters without suffering a scratch in return and NOT commemorate that somehow. 
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PenguinSalsa posted:Cruise missile chat: I'm more worried about the Tunguska. Isn't the Tunguska radar guided as well and would it be possible to jam or otherwise disable it somehow? This is why my By The Numbers plan is roughly to poo poo a whole bunch of munitions at them all at once and dare the Tunguska(s) to intercept them all. And then just flip them off was we fly home to the sound of an explosion orchestras 
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