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I had to stop listening to PSA, as much as I enjoy Lovett's schtick, Favreau and Vietor made me goddamn scream at my speakers, every single episode they'd come so drat close to a real breakthrough and seeing where things have gone wrong, only to fall back on "oh well, I guess we've got to really find some way to reach across the aisle and work with friendly republicans" and I felt like I was going to have a stroke.
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Serf posted:is it wrong of me to think of libs as people who just need a little pushing to come around on things? this is exactly what happened to me like 9 months ago so...
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Dimebags Brain posted:I like how Lovett rants about how the democrats will take inspiring popular things that people like and want to support like universal healthcare and $15 minimum wage and run it through a bunch of committees and organization to get to a technocratic compromise that they will present to people instead of the inspiring ideal, and then wonder why people don't vote for them. This is then immediately followed up by Favrau trying to come up with a technocratic compromise for what Bernie should have said in the Perez interview. For a good example of this, look at NY's "free" "college" plan that took something that people have wanted again for a really long time and made it a means-tested nightmare
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Apr 26, 2017 01:16
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I think Favreau was the one who said one of Hillary's big problems is she needed to have better motivated millennials on her policies, perhaps by sending some wonks onto CNN to explain them.
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padijun posted:this is exactly what happened to me like 9 months ago so...  actuallyi used to always joke about how capitalism is responsible for all our problems, but i didn't know there were people who unironically agreed with that until like early 2016 and down the rabbit hole i went. just wish there was a way to get my liberal friends to take the same leap.
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I've never listened to KI1600 or PSA and my hot rear end take on it is that Jon Favreau needs to look in a loving mirror. What an obnoxious loving loser.
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Apr 26, 2017 01:31
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It's the trap that people think Obama was good because he had The Best Policies on The Best Platform with The Best Party because the reality of him just being a likable and inspiring politician means his campaign team was almost completely unnecessary
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Apr 26, 2017 01:37
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Dimebags Brain posted:I like how Lovett rants about how the democrats will take inspiring popular things that people like and want to support like universal healthcare and $15 minimum wage and run it through a bunch of committees and organization to get to a technocratic compromise that they will present to people instead of the inspiring ideal, and then wonder why people don't vote for them. This is then immediately followed up by Favrau trying to come up with a technocratic compromise for what Bernie should have said in the Perez interview. That's what I've been saying for years. Instead of starting from $15/hr and negotiating down to $12, for example, they just start at $12 to avoid confrontation and get ignored or denied entirely. Like even with a D majority in the house, senate and presidency, they refused to try all that hard at healthcare reform, or education, or anything really. Of course a big part of that is being bought & paid for by lobbyists & corporate interests, but at least act like you have the will to do your job.
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Keep in mind that the PSA group is starting a new podcast hosted by noted brand-lover Deray. It's an entirely different kind of flying altogether.
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The one that got me was the Sanders/Perez thing and taking issue with saying that the wealthy rulers are the issue.
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It seems to me like in general convincing people that the ruling class is the enemy is generally a pretty easy sell even with liberals, but convincing them that their reign of terror can only be ended through the destruction of capitalism is the harder sell. That's where the years of ideological conditioning kick in. After all, capitalism means smartphones and socialism means despotism and/or no incentives to be anything but a drain on society, right? Right?? It's not as though we live in a society where the worst things we imagined would come true under socialism are a lived reality under capitalism now. Or that the conditions that led to the USSR existed within a specific historic and material framework which would be different under new struggles against capitalism, and accordingly will lead to different outcomes. Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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That recent PSA ep had the good point that post-Reagan, the left has had alot more room to maneuver. We no longer need to triangulate, we've almost accepted that government programs can be used to solve problems, considering Trump's heterodox platform to not touch medicare or social security. Hence the attempts of the right to go full starve the beast come off as half-hearted, the best they can come up with is welfare for white people only (while pilfering from brown people via taxes on remittances, Session's idiotic plan to remove tax credits from Mexicans only). That's easy to counter: solidarity with migrants, you don't loving touch the wealth of the poorest classes you thief.
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Grondoth posted:For a good example of this, look at NY's "free" "college" plan that took something that people have wanted again for a really long time and made it a means-tested nightmare What better means test than progressive income tax? And a draconian capital gains tax?
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Serf posted:is it wrong of me to think of libs as people who just need a little pushing to come around on things? i feel like they're a hell of a lot closer to where we need to be than the other side of the fence. seems like a lot of libs in my social circles are changing their tune as time goes on if we're talking regular people yeah a lot of them are reachable and most who are will likely get there one way or another the ones to be wary of are the terminal lanyard dicks and the hillary death cult because as long as there's some seat at the table for them they'll always be looking for a way to undercut everyone else Troy Queef posted:Keep in mind that the PSA group is starting a new podcast hosted by noted brand-lover Deray. It's an entirely different kind of flying altogether. i hope he ends every ep by doing a wesley willis style plug Henchman of Santa posted:And post-election it's been happening more and more, even if there's still a cultish fanaticism around Hillary. they were called pumas back in 08 and that poo poo's gonna stick around well after bill and hillary are cold and in the ground those people have no politics, they're just infatuated with having a quasi-royal family, hence their current obsession with chelsea running for office The Muppets On PCP fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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padijun posted:this is exactly what happened to me like 9 months ago so... Same boat here. Was such a loving dumb rear end lib I read Andrew Sullivan's blog and thought Obama was above criticism. The constant horrific state violence against Black folks and the Obamas constant inaction pushed me further left. A lot of games/weird twitter people went openly socialist/started retweeting commie/socialist people during the primaries and I guess it shifted the overton window. Probably the biggest issue and one thing the DSA is doing a decent job of is getting normie liberals aboard. Chapo is a great entry drug to leftism and has had some loving fantastic guests but I think you have to have your brain broken by twitter first for it to click. Sushi in Yiddish fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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I liked the Brandon Wardell episode.
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CortezFantastic posted:for the guy who asked Uhh Yeah Dude is probably the best podcast that vibes with Chapo with zero politics This except Cum Town
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https://twitter.com/Nectarvibes/status/834234743881338880 Judge Ellen Tao, Asheville Division, strikes another male victim.
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Is Age of Napoleon good? Been going through Revolutions slowly and it seems like it's be a neat followup to the French Revolution season when I get there.
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https://twitter.com/Boringstein/status/857067745346826240 apparently it's real and going to be a half-hour Atrocious Joe posted:Is Age of Napoleon good? Been going through Revolutions slowly and it seems like it's be a neat followup to the French Revolution season when I get there. I listened to the first episode, it's informative, but I can't listen to one guy talk about a subject for that long without zoning out occasionally. I'm really dumb though
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Phone posted:I've never listened to KI1600 or PSA and my hot rear end take on it is that Jon Favreau needs to look in a loving mirror. What an obnoxious loving loser. Ooh, you could fry an egg on that.
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padijun posted:https://twitter.com/Boringstein/status/857067745346826240 Still haven't listened to the election night episode. I had an all-consuming pit of dread in my stomach for a week afterwards. Don't really want to relive that. On a more positive note Mike Duncan is cool. He doesn't put any editorial spin on things and his sense of humor is dad jokes at best so he's kind of dry but he's probably the best historical podcaster I've found. Plus he just finished up the July Revolution in France which was the familiar story of incrementalist liberals loving over the revolutionaries that actually did all the work so it's fun to see that liberals never change.
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I'm going through History of Rome and thoroughly enjoying it. Because of it my new go-to phrase of exasperation is "Sweet Jupiter!"
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https://twitter.com/LanaDelRaytheon/status/857115975342280704 Guys you will never believe the red pill politician has some opinions on the tyranny of judge Ellen tao
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Is the election night episode behind the Patreon wall or am I just really dumb and can't find it
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MikeCrotch posted:Is the election night episode behind the Patreon wall or am I just really dumb and can't find it It's behind the paywall.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Is Age of Napoleon good? Been going through Revolutions slowly and it seems like it's be a neat followup to the French Revolution season when I get there. He is only 3 episodes in. I've been enjoying it though. Unlike many other podcasts he seems to actually have good audio. Each episode so far is under 30 minutes.
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:Same boat here. Was such a loving dumb rear end lib I read Andrew Sullivan's blog and thought Obama was above criticism. The constant horrific state violence against Black folks and the Obamas constant inaction pushed me further left.
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Digital Jedi posted:He is only 3 episodes in. I've been enjoying it though. Unlike many other podcasts he seems to actually have good audio. Each episode so far is under 30 minutes. Excellent podcast. The audio is actually too good, and without room tone you can hear every edit he makes.
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Dr.Radical posted:I'm going through History of Rome and thoroughly enjoying it. Because of it my new go-to phrase of exasperation is "Sweet Jupiter!"
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MooselanderII posted:Did anyone else hear Jon Lovett go full Chapo on Pod Save America's episode yesterday? It's a little frustrating how the other hosts don't appreciate any meaningful difference between Hillary and Bernie. The part is from 37:19 onward at https://art19.com/shows/pod-save-america/episodes/57c65170-e400-4705-a58a-b4d6b4fbc2a9. I read this as Jon Lovitz at first and was very disappointed when I listened to the podcast.
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ChumpsForChange posted:I read this as Jon Lovitz at first and was very disappointed when I listened to the podcast. Sadly, Lovitz is a full neocon who actively promotes ethnic cleansing
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The Crotch posted:Sushi in Yiddish, radicalized by a Scott Benson tweetstorm. Come to think of it its likely him and Alex Navarro mentioning the podcast in its early days that got me to check it out. Listened to one ep, went back and binged the rest then jumped on the patreon, prob. the first one I signed up for. Who would have imagined back then just a year later like Bill Corbett would be a fan/guest and this podcast and people would be making weed shaped baseball crank cookies for live show refreshments.
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I was radicalized by LF.
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Serf posted:is it wrong of me to think of libs as people who just need a little pushing to come around on things? i feel like they're a hell of a lot closer to where we need to be than the other side of the fence. seems like a lot of libs in my social circles are changing their tune as time goes on Sushi in Yiddish posted:Chapo is a great entry drug to leftism and has had some loving fantastic guests but I think you have to have your brain broken by twitter first for it to click.
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Under the vegetable posted:Sadly, Lovitz is a full neocon who actively promotes ethnic cleansing Really? Aw, poo poo. 
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