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mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Jobbo_Fett posted:

Not that I know of, but I picked up a fairly cheap dvd on dogfighting "Above the clouds" or somesuch and I was skipping through most of it for shits and giggles since I don't have time to sit and watch and spotted that sequence.

To the best of my knowledge, it looks like a Ki-43 vs an I-15 over China. The super thin fuselage of the monoplane, coupled with the lack of a fixed landing gear, as well as the biplane its chasing, lead me to believe that.

That's an I-153 or its a pigeon. The Ki-43 is nimble for a monoplane, but it just can't keep up in a turn fight. The Chaika is in trouble though, the Oscar can keep extending and coming in for firing passes since it's about 90 knots faster at maximum.

Neat; IL-2 and War Thunder didn't lie to me about biplanes versus monos !

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Kemper Boyd
Aug 6, 2007

no kings, no gods, no masters but a comfy chair and no socks

Phobophilia posted:

That's the thing that really makes the south stand out. Even in other slave societies, if you became a freedman, that's it, you were free. Heck, children of slaves could even inherit from the father.

In the US, you were never free. You could be re-enslaved at any time if a gang went up north and snatched you off the streets. They even enslaved their children.

I have a gut feeling that some US history wants to play up how terrible other societies with slavery were historically to make american slavery look better or at least not as bad as it was.

SimonCat
Aug 12, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice
This ugly thing showed up on my Facebook feed today. It implies that (white) Confederate sympathizers are the only real Southerners.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

SimonCat posted:

This ugly thing showed up on my Facebook feed today. It implies that (white) Confederate sympathizers are the only real Southerners.



So post a video of the Saddam statue getting pulled down and mourn the death of the proud Iraqi heritage.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

SimonCat posted:

This ugly thing showed up on my Facebook feed today. It implies that (white) Confederate sympathizers are the only real Southerners.



To be fair, I'm white and from the American South and I'm comfortable drawing a line between that and being a Southerner.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

SimonCat posted:

This ugly thing showed up on my Facebook feed today. It implies that (white) Confederate sympathizers are the only real Southerners.



Looks like it was Photoshopped, btw.

Also, y'know, my wife is a Southerner and I'm pretty sure she's down with removing the white supremacist statue seeing as she's black.

feedmegin fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Apr 26, 2017

Mr Enderby
Mar 28, 2015

A minor victory in the "not honouring racists" line: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/26/bristol-colston-hall-to-drop-name-of-slave-trader-after-protests

Edit: on reflection "racist" is probably putting it a bit mildly.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
That should have been done years ago, and the whole PR brand talk leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Obviously they knew for years and have been waiting for the last of his family to not give a gently caress/have local influence to make a big stink about it.

Anywho, It is time to say farewell to Rose as this will be the last series of entries in his diaries. Lets hope the poor fellow spent the last few years of his career in the Depot training recruits and wasn't involved at all with the up coming Great War.


Part 1: Arriving in South Africa
Part 2: The Reality of Combat/Getting Stuck In/WATERSPORTS!
Part 3: March Marching Madness/Trench Sniping/CANADIANS!
Part 4: Boer Guns, Hunger Marches and Bloody Charges With The Gordon Highlanders
Part 5: Occupying Pretoria, Rest And Christmas In South Africa.
Part 6: Signal Flags, Skirmishes and South African train rides


Part 7: Final Duties, Crossing the Ocean and Epilogue.

quote:


The Diary of 2874 L/Cpl. A. W Rose
2nd DLCI- His Experiences in the South African War
9th October 1899-28th of December 1901


November 12th: Started on the homeward journey today. Left Kaap Minden Station (3) 12 pm, riding all day until we reached Waterval Boven.

November 13th: Left again this morning at 6:15 am for Pretoria which we reached at 6:30 pm and proceeded to the rest camp.

November 14th: Resting in camp.

November 17th: Sunday. Left the rest camp for the Racecourse Hospital to escort a party of lunatics to Cape Town. (4)

November 19th: Still at Racecourse Hospital waiting for the lunatics. They don't like the idea of letting us go home. We ought to have been at Capetown now. We hope to leave here tomorrow.

November 21st: Left Pretoria at 11:30 am with 7 lunatics for Cape Town. Arrived at Elandsfontein about 4:30 pm where we stayed all night.

November 22nd: Left at 5:15 am and, after 3 hours riding, we crossed the Vaal River out of the Transvaal into the Orange Fee State. The lunatics are not giving us much trouble.

1)The main Pretoria/Loeurenco Marques railway crosses the Drackenberg Highlands reaching its summit at Waterval Boven 135 miles east of Pretoria. It then drops down very steeply into the valley of the Incomanti River - a remarkable piece of railway engineering.
2)A town on the Pretoria/Loeurenco Marques railway situated 250 miles east of Pretoria just insdie the Transvaal on the Transvaal/Portuguese East Africa border.
3)A small settlement on the Pretoria/Loeurenco Marques railway just wet of Komate Poorte.
4)Nothing is known about this party of lunatics who do not feature in any other known account.


November 23rd: Riding all day. Had a stoppage between Honing Spruit and Kroonstad owing to the engine having too much to get up the hill with - after an hours's delay we started off and reached Kroonstad about 8:30 pm where we were told we were to travel all night.

November 24th: After travelling all night we arrived at Bloemfontein at 8:40 am. Had breakfast and our saloon was attached to the first train to Cape Town.


Not really related now to the diary, but this was the first major deployment of bicycles in a British Imperial conflict.

November 25th: Arrived at Cape Town at 8 am and, having handed the lunatics into the hospital proceeded to the rest camp at Green Point.

November 26th: Had a look around camp this morning and found we were camped close to the sea. A fine view of the sea can be had. Expect to stay here about two weeks before embarking for home.

December 7th: Embarked this morning on HM Transport BRITTANNIC for England. Left South Arm Doc at 1:30 pm.

December 8th: Well out at sea. Travelled 303 miles today.

December 9th: Having splendid weather. Travelled 358 miles today, ought to be home for Xmas. Very sick today, the usual routine seasickness.

December 10th: Travelled 359 miles today

December 11th: Travelled 365 miles today

December 12th: Travelled 366 miles today


Here is the ship he was on, not to be confused with the White Star Liner that went down during the 1st World War.

Having a splendid voyage.

Decmember 13th: Travelled 364 miles today

December 14th: Travelled 358 miles today

December 15th: Travelled 361 miles today - Crossed the Equator about 4 pm today very hot.

December 16th: Travelled 364 miles today

December 17th: Travelled 339 miles today

December 18th: Travelled 329 miles today

December 19th: Travelled 331 miles today

December 20th: Travelled 240 miles today.

We stopped at Las Palmas six hours today for coaling, taking on Board six hundred ton of coal. I have bought a parrot here. Could not buy much as the boats were stopped from coming near us on account of us coming from a place where the Plague was. We were flying the yellow flag to warn everybody to keep away. We left for Southhampton again at 2:30 pm.

December 21st: Travelled 244 miles today.

December 22nd: We are having it rough. We are beginning to feel the cold. Several of our men were injured when a wave broke over the ship, one man broke his thigh and others got severe bruises. We are straming down the North Atlantic. Travelled only 277.

December 23rd: Only went 205 miles today owing to bad weather.

December 24th: Travelled 299 miles today still having bad weather.

December 25th: Xmas Day having rough weather being in the Bay of Biscay. Had a very good dinner today a small allowance of whiskey being issued out to every man at night. Travelled 287 miles today. Hope to be in Southhampton tomorrow morning.

December 26th: Arrived Southhampton 11 am thism morning, 219 miles from 12 pm yesterday until 11 pm today. Disembarked about 12 pm. After waiting for two hours we entrained when we were given cigarettes and one par of socks a man.

December 27th: After riding until I am arrived at North Road Devonport where we had to stay all night in the waiting room for our train to take us on to Bodmin. Left Devonport at 4:30 am arrived at Bodmin 9 am where we were soon settled up with and left for home.

December 28th: Left Bodmin at 11:30 am. Arrived Snow Hill 7 pm after being away 2 years and three months.

A Brigades Record.
Gen Smith-Dorrien's Brigade is credited with most Meritorius service in the Campaign through the Free State and Transvaal, having been engaged in nearly all the principal actions. Some idea may be gathered of the work the Brigade has done by the following order just issued by Gen Smith-Dorrien it says:- The 19th Brigade has achieved a record of which any Infantry might be proud since the date it was formed, namely February 12th. It has marched 620 miles often on half ratons and seldom on full, it has taken part in the capture of 10 towns, fought in 10 general actions and, on 27 other days in one period of 30 days, it fought 21 of them and marched 327 miles. The casualties have been between 400 and 500. Defeats NIL.
The following are the Towns we captured:

Bloemfontein
Thabanchu
Winburg
Kroonstad
Lindley
Ibelbron
Ventersburg
Johannesburg
Pretoria


I tracked down one of the former curators of the musuem at work the other day and this and a series of other diaries and memoirs were all written up by a small group of previous volunteers in the mid ninties, which explains the decimal system slip up in earlier entries. So yeah, that was a small slice of the Boer War through the eyes of a common soldier. I'll try and post another soldiers diary in the future if I can, big thanks to the goons who posted over diaries and made the big effort posts that inspired me to do it.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

SeanBeansShako posted:

So yeah, that was a small slice of the Boer War through the eyes of a common soldier. I'll try and post another soldiers diary in the future if I can, big thanks to the goons who posted over diaries and made the big effort posts that inspired me to do it.

The Boer War: Marching, Starving, and Ostriches.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
I fought in the Boer War and I got was this lousy tin of hot chocolate.

The Boer War: Free pair of trousers, slightly used.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

"Grandpa, what's your most exciting story from fighting the Boers?"

"Well, I went to camp to check on some blankets that were being shipped to us. When I tried to walk back, I got lost for 4 hours and nearly crossed enemy lines."

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
I like to think somewhere in Birmingham there was a small short lived pub in the early 20th century called The Lost Parrot.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


It's always cool to read people's firsthand view of history, especially from on the ground.

I want to hear some soldier's diary of the Emu War. For too long the voices of this forgotten war have been lost!

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

What's the first recorded instance of the "more like Boer-ing War" quip?

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Yvonmukluk posted:

It's always cool to read people's firsthand view of history, especially from on the ground.

I want to hear some soldier's diary of the Emu War. For too long the voices of this forgotten war have been lost!

"I can't hit those loving birds Bert!"

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


Yvonmukluk posted:

I want to hear some soldier's diary of the Emu War. For too long the voices of this forgotten war have been lost!

August 14th: *Squawk*

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten
Still mad Wikipedia removed "Casualties: Dignity".

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

SeanBeansShako posted:

I tracked down one of the former curators of the musuem at work the other day and this and a series of other diaries and memoirs were all written up by a small group of previous volunteers in the mid ninties, which explains the decimal system slip up in earlier entries.
If it's anything like here then post decimalisation the Shilling coins were still legal tender valued at 5p for a while. Ours lasted until the Euro replaced the Punt entirely.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Arquinsiel posted:

If it's anything like here then post decimalisation the Shilling coins were still legal tender valued at 5p for a while. Ours lasted until the Euro replaced the Punt entirely.

That's why I was talking about New Shillings upthread; that was what the 5p piece was also called on decimalisation, hence the archivists' confusion. Old shilling coins were legal tender into the 90s.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Does anyone know a book that's a good introduction to the various Turko-Mongolian steppe groups/culture, whether it's the Xiongnu, Gokturks, Avars, Khazars, or others? If that's too broad, does anyone know of a good work on one of them? I've been reading some stuff and listening to podcasts on the period roughly between 600-1000 and I'm realizing that I know absolutely nothing about them and they seem pretty significant.

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa

Elyv posted:

Does anyone know a book that's a good introduction to the various Turko-Mongolian steppe groups/culture, whether it's the Xiongnu, Gokturks, Avars, Khazars, or others? If that's too broad, does anyone know of a good work on one of them? I've been reading some stuff and listening to podcasts on the period roughly between 600-1000 and I'm realizing that I know absolutely nothing about them and they seem pretty significant.

I read "Empires of the Silk Road" a couple of years ago: https://www.amazon.com/Empires-Silk-Road-History-Central/dp/0691150346

It might not be exactly what you're looking for, and I didn't really agree with some of the conclusions he ended up at, but overall it was a decent read.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Christ, Call of Duty: WWII is going to be bad.



I just listened to an hour of these people babbling about 'authenticity' and the example they keep going back to is the ping of the M1 Garand.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Apr 26, 2017

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I can remember when all the CoD games were about WWII. And they were awesome and I loved them.

Ice Fist
Jun 20, 2012

^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^

zoux posted:

I can remember when all the CoD games were about WWII.

CoD2 was the poo poo when I was in HS. My friends and I played split screen religiously.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
CoD2 was really good and didn't even gently caress up the Soviet campaign too badly.

Edit: no wait I just remembered that they managed to completely gently caress up the tanks in the game. Apparently the PzII was a fearsome opponent with a long range single shot gun and thick armour that could only be penetrated from the back.

In like Zinn
Jan 3, 2010

You'll notice from the bodies where the squaddies have been.

The greatest fighting force ever!

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Ensign Expendable posted:

CoD2 was really good and didn't even gently caress up the Soviet campaign too badly.

Edit: no wait I just remembered that they managed to completely gently caress up the tanks in the game. Apparently the PzII was a fearsome opponent with a long range single shot gun and thick armour that could only be penetrated from the back.

Good news, there will be no Soviet campaign in this game.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Fangz posted:

Good news, there will be no Soviet campaign in this game.

Pathetic.

MrMojok
Jan 28, 2011

Can anyone point me to an effortpost about helicopter gunships in this thread, or the predecessor thread?

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

Fangz posted:

Good news, there will be no Soviet campaign in this game.

Did they put Russia in Battlefield 1 yet?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Ensign Expendable posted:

Did they put Russia in Battlefield 1 yet?

Not yet but they have announced it:

quote:

The other three planned expansions for Battlefield 1 are called In the Name of the Tsar, Turning Tides and Apocalypse.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Ensign Expendable posted:

CoD2 was really good and didn't even gently caress up the Soviet campaign too badly.

Edit: no wait I just remembered that they managed to completely gently caress up the tanks in the game. Apparently the PzII was a fearsome opponent with a long range single shot gun and thick armour that could only be penetrated from the back.

It was weirdly accurate for the devs to feature Panzer IIs and Crusaders in the North Africa stuff, those are pretty dang obscure afvs for a video game.


zoux posted:

I can remember when all the CoD games were about WWII. And they were awesome and I loved them.

I remember playing CoD 2 at a friends house and dying to get it myself. I was a dumb idiot and was not aware that certain consoles do not have certain games, so I bought CoD 2: Big Red One for the PS2 and got really confused when it didn't look anything like what I played.

Fangz posted:

The other three planned expansions for Battlefield 1 are called In the Name of the Tsar, Turning Tides and Apocalypse.


Nah, that's just the Bulgarian expansion. All three of them.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

It was weirdly accurate for the devs to feature Panzer IIs and Crusaders in the North Africa stuff, those are pretty dang obscure afvs for a video game.


It really feels like they wanted to put in a Tiger, but the model was swapped at the last second and everything else remained the same.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Fangz posted:

Not yet but they have announced it:

So Russia, Japan, Zombies

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
I think it's Brusilov Offensive, Gallipoli, and the Somme.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Fangz posted:

I think it's Brusilov Offensive, Gallipoli, and the Somme.

Or that

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

That's a creative interpretation of the Attack of the Dead.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
The Russian campaign in United Offensive and CoD2 were my favorite things about Call of Duty and my disappointment in the newer modern CoD games didn't get resolved until Battlefield (3?) released a game with non-evil Russians.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
The Russians in World at War aren't very evil by video game standards.

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Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

feedmegin posted:

That's why I was talking about New Shillings upthread; that was what the 5p piece was also called on decimalisation, hence the archivists' confusion. Old shilling coins were legal tender into the 90s.
Ah, I wasn't sure of the slang term. For us the Shilling and Florin were basically identical to the new 5p and 10p coins until they were redesigned at some point to make them smaller. They still remained legal to use though, and due to silliness if I walk into the Central Bank with a bag of them today I can trade them in at the exchange rate they had when the Euro came in and walk away with far less than their historical value in lovely 5c coins! :woop:

Ensign Expendable posted:

It really feels like they wanted to put in a Tiger, but the model was swapped at the last second and everything else remained the same.
Somebody probably pointed out that the 2pdrs on the Crusader II couldn't possibly penetrate a Tiger in combat (but did have HE for some reason), so they'd have to change tank and for some reason they didn't bother with the Panzer IV like they did in the previous game.

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