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Standard might be playable, thank loving god.
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Apr 27, 2017 01:39
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When you gently caress up so badly your 8 annual scheduled ban list updates aren't enough.
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YeehawMcKickass posted:I needed a budget-ish modern deck because of the death of standard so I put this together roughly. I had a large swath of the cards for a version of this still laying around from their times in standard, minus the enemy fetches and the b/r fastlands. It's actually not bad for the type of pile it is. I run four Swiftspear because any less is just stupid. This is about to get lost in "lol Felidar Guardian" chat but I've always been tinkering with a couple of different Mardu builds for Modern in my head and this is one I saw the other day. I think this type of deck may want Bob oer Bedlam Reveler but I'm not 100% sure.
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Alris posted:In fairness, it is an incredibly Mardu list. It is Mardu Tokens. edit: loving lolol GoutPatrol fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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Apr 27, 2017 01:40
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Holy Moley it's deaaaaaad
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b-b-but it's totally beatable you guys! stop whining everyone from casual to pro level that wondered why the card wasn't banned! Thank loving god, looks like I'm playing some standard again.
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Apr 27, 2017 01:42
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I mean their logic doesn't make sense (of course new decks are going to be experimental and unoptimized and will lose) but w/e I'm proud they actually did it.
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Apr 27, 2017 01:41
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I have no idea why they didn't do it two days ago but good job wizards
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:I mean their logic doesn't make sense (of course new decks are going to be experimental and unoptimized and will lose) but w/e I'm proud they actually did it. it's their excuse because they're not going to admit that it was everyone immediately going "wtf, you did a controversial ban of top in legacy but you can't even ban the thing everyone knows is breaking standard?" that made this happen
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loving finally
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ThePeavstenator posted:it's their excuse because they're not going to admit that it was everyone immediately going "wtf, you did a controversial ban of top in legacy but you can't even ban the thing everyone knows is breaking standard?" that made this happen They didn't want to admit the collective vomiting from the community and bad PR was the reason.
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Apr 27, 2017 01:46
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The best part is the saheli had dropped so much that mtg finance folks were picking her back up again to make a buck. All that lost money in specing for so many. Good.
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Sickening posted:The best part is the saheli had dropped so much that mtg finance folks were picking her back up again to make a buck. All that lost money in specing for so many. I revel in their tears
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Apr 27, 2017 01:52
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The two cards to have ever been emergency banned: Memory Jar, and a 1/4 for 4. Why in the actual gently caress didn't they do it Monday? Christ.
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Apr 27, 2017 01:51
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Uhhhh I think you'll find that this was an ADDENDUM and not an emergency ban ok guys
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Apr 27, 2017 01:54
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They even mentioned the pizza.
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sit on my Facebook posted:Uhhhh I think you'll find that this was an ADDENDUM and not an emergency ban ok guys that's another funny part It's your game WotC stop pretending there are rules that surround what you're allowed to ban, print, etc. You can do literally whatever you want with your own property and the only thing stopping you is yourself.
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Apr 27, 2017 01:56
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Remember that Wizards has much better MTGO data than they show us, including win percentages not just per deck but per matchup. It's totally possible to see enough data in two days to realize Copycat is even better than before, especially in the Mardu matchup. That being said it's inexcusable they didn't ban Guardian Monday. They should have just banned it with Emrakul and Copter avoiding this whole mess, but better late than never.
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ThePeavstenator posted:that's another funny part Ahem, I think you'll find the Reserved List and the Banned List are iron clad contracts dictated by the finest of legalese and enforced by the most ruthless of rules lawyers.
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whateverfor posted:Remember that Wizards has much better MTGO data than they show us, including win percentages not just per deck but per matchup. It's totally possible to see enough data in two days to realize Copycat is even better than before, especially in the Mardu matchup. I mean goons even predicted that Copycat was going to get even better now that it had access to so much more efficient artifact removal to deal with it's one challenger, Vehicles.
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Apr 27, 2017 01:57
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Was wizards ever good at making sets or was the perceived goodness just a combination of the pre-internet world and dumb luck?
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Apr 27, 2017 01:59
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Well you can't say they aren't responsive...
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Apr 27, 2017 01:59
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kirtar posted:They even mentioned the pizza. Elaborate please?
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They've really only stumbled lately with BFZ and the printing of Guardian and Emrakul imo The sets as a whole are quite good
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goth smoking cloves posted:Elaborate please? https://twitter.com/samstod/status/856967927957831680 Also, Amonkhet is fantastic in draft at minimum.
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Apr 27, 2017 02:02
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Even a stopped clock that controls what time it is and people are yelling at it what time it is is right twice a day.
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Speaking of getting lost in the Fieldar Guardian Ban chat: I made a new Brewhaus thread that I'm about to go completely redo the drat OP to reflect the lack of Cat Combo! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3818520 WE CAN ALL CAST MOUTH AT THE CAT SNAKE.
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So all the major sites are offering refunds for banned cards. Are they going to refund saheeli even though she wasn't banned? Please be no.
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cheetah7071 posted:Was wizards ever good at making sets or was the perceived goodness just a combination of the pre-internet world and dumb luck? Challax Brah. The only reason people are so worked up now is because WOTC, for the most part, makes an awesome game that we all really enjoy playing, spend a shitload of money on, and care wayyyyy too much about for it to be healthy. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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Sickening posted:So all the major sites are offering refunds for banned cards. Are they going to refund saheeli even though she wasn't banned? Please be no. I'm assuming probably not. I don't think her playability is linked as closely to felidar guardian as counterbalance is to top. Yes, it's much worse without felidar guardian, but counterbalance is hot garbage without top.
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kirtar posted:I'm assuming probably not. I don't think her playability is linked as closely to felidar guardian as counterbalance is to top. Yes, it's much worse without felidar guardian, but counterbalance is hot garbage without top. I don't think Saheeli will see any play without the cat. It was not played at all pre Aether Revolt.
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cheetah7071 posted:Was wizards ever good at making sets or was the perceived goodness just a combination of the pre-internet world and dumb luck? I started playing in Khans block and it owned so yes.
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cheetah7071 posted:Was wizards ever good at making sets or was the perceived goodness just a combination of the pre-internet world and dumb luck? Set quality has always been pretty hit-or-miss, we're just looking at it from the perspective of a pair of high profile failures (Gideon & Cat Combo) rather than the period's successes (a bunch of fun limited formats, actual breath breathed into older formats).
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ThePeavstenator posted:I started playing in Khans block and it owned so yes. Jeskai Tokens, we've not seen your kind since 
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Niton posted:Set quality has always been pretty hit-or-miss, we're just looking at it from the perspective of a pair of high profile failures (Gideon & Cat Combo) rather than the period's successes (a bunch of fun limited formats, actual breath breathed into older formats). Gideon isn't even really that terrible. They just refuse to reprint Hero's Downfall which would have made even Copycat less of a problem.
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The funny thing is, the format might be good now? Lol Hopefully the fact that they change their mind about everything means the reserved list is on the chopping block 
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cheetah7071 posted:Was wizards ever good at making sets or was the perceived goodness just a combination of the pre-internet world and dumb luck? They really felt they could do no wrong (in terms of growing the base) from 09-14. Every change they have made has been made under the caveat of "game is still growing, attendance is up, this is working!" But what comes up must come down. Through a combination of changes, like removing alot of instant speed answers, overpowering marquee planeswalkers/story cards, and changing things that used to be staples of the game and saying they were "too powerful," have all come to bite them on the rear end. Take for example the axing of Birds of Paradise as a one-drop. When you used to have 2-3 mana accelerator one-drops in standard, now we have none. Why? The reason stated is they were too powerful. They were not too powerful, the 2-3-4-5 drops are. Hitting your land drops and stop-this-or-die fatties on curve (or in case of Marvel, a broken curve) has never been more important for standard since I began playing. They have continued to remove the only ways a slower deck can come back from doing nothing on their turn. Turn 1-2 has never been more important to the game. You screw up one turn, you're losing. All in the cause of removing complexity, or feelbads, or whatever, from the game.
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cheetah7071 posted:Was wizards ever good at making sets or was the perceived goodness just a combination of the pre-internet world and dumb luck? Up until BFZ, standard was typically quite diverse. The whole "Standard consists of exactly 2.5 decks and nothing beats them" thing has only really happened for the last year and a half or so, and it's not like we didn't have the internet and a massive playerbase when Tarkir was coming out. It's too generous to say that this is just because of a couple isolated slips, though. A lot of conscious design decisions brought us here. Felidar Guardian may be a random accident, but Emrakul is a direct result of wizards deliberately pushing the power level of its ~storyline~ cards and refusing to print any sort of decent removal, answers, or hate.
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