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Jack2142 posted:My first experience with Call of Duty was Big Red One on the Gamecube, that was an interesting campaign, except I don't think too many soldiers fought in North Africa, Sicily, Normandy and the Siegfried Line. Although it was kinda sad seeing all your squadmates die over the course of the game and by the end the sergeant commanding the squad was a private back at the start. The 1st Infantry Division saw action everywhere starting with Operation Torch. I'm sure plenty of GIs fought straight through November 42 to VE Day.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The 1st Infantry Division saw action everywhere starting with Operation Torch. I'm sure plenty of GIs fought straight through November 42 to VE Day. I would have figured people got rotated out at some point, but not sure what US policy was on this I know Vietnam had a hosed up system.
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PittTheElder posted:(I assume you must be an American for sales reasons) There was one medal of honor game where they literally took a photo from WWII and photoshopped the British soldiers into Americans. It was a photo of two soldiers running at a tank in the desert, and I was really into WWII at the time so I remembered seeing the real photo in a book and was able to place it. Anyway it was genuinely pretty groundbreaking when Call of Duty came out and let you play as Brits, and even the dastardly soviets.
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Jack2142 posted:I would have figured people got rotated out at some point, but not sure what US policy was on this I know Vietnam had a hosed up system. There were definitely guys in the US Army who fought both in Africa and in Europe (Meaning France/Germany). In fact after VE day Ike (or it might have been Marshall) made a stipulation that any GI who did so was exempt from being transferred to the Pacific.
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Kopijeger posted:They were more or less bulletproof though. How likely would it be for footsoldiers that fought in Stalingrad to still be on the frontline during the battle for Berlin? It is a shame that they skipped over everything inbetween. And the tank level featured a regenerating T-34 that could easily knock out a bunch of Panthers, 88 mm cannons and bunkers. All the time. Wehraboo fan favourite Michael Wittmann died after driving out into an open field and right past a Firefly ambush. Technically, the side of a Tiger could be penetrated by even 75 mm guns and 6-pdrs at a respectable range.
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SeanBeansShako posted:I want a WW2 game where your part of an overworked Bren Gun carrier. Dying of malaria while working on the Burma railway
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So any more recommendations for books on the Vietnam War? A Bright Shining Lie is more of a biography of one dude than a history isn't it?
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Just watched the CoD WWII trailer on steam. I'm the Ju-87Gs in allied controlled airspace
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Jack2142 posted:I would have figured people got rotated out at some point, but not sure what US policy was on this I know Vietnam had a hosed up system. It was pretty hosed up then too! The replacements arguably had it the worst; when a unit suffered a lot of casualties, rather than rotate whole divisions to the rear and allow them to train with the new guys, they just trickled the new guys into the front line and hoped they sorted themselves out. The reasons for this were largely political I think; being able to rotate divisions to the rear meant having more divisions total, and there was huge pressure from industry to keep manpower at home to work in the factories.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So any more recommendations for books on the Vietnam War? A Bright Shining Lie is more of a biography of one dude than a history isn't it? A Bright Shining Lie is sort of a history of the war as told through John Paul Vann's life. It's loving good. you can skip the parts about Vann's super loving weird personal life if you want, I guess.
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Jack2142 posted:My first experience with Call of Duty was Big Red One on the Gamecube, that was an interesting campaign, except I don't think too many soldiers fought in North Africa, Sicily, Normandy and the Siegfried Line. Although it was kinda sad seeing all your squadmates die over the course of the game and by the end the sergeant commanding the squad was a private back at the start.
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zoux posted:One of the most useful things we could teach kids about the creation myth of America is that it wasn't a group of patriotic heroes standing as one and calling for the same thing in one voice. The constitution was a highly contentious process built on a lot of troubling compromises with slave states and the veneration of these guys as Perfect Sainted Minds is real bad. Every time I hear someone say "the Founders intended" I want to ask them "which ones?" Thomas Jefferson drools John Adams rules
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There are only two WW2 shooters I've enjoyed. Battlefield 1942 where ramming Tigers with jeeps loaded with dynamite was a common and recommended tactic, and Medal of Honor: Frontline. The music from the latter game still haunts me, especially from the Operation Market Garden level.
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Nobody ever remembers that Medal Of Honor Pacific game they did for the PC which I thought was quite good too. CORPMAN!
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Phi230 posted:Thomas Jefferson drools In a better world, John Adams gets the world-eating broadway smash, and Hamilton gets the HBO series that was fine, honestly, but everyone forgets about it. But of course broadway goes for the new york founding father
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I'm just finishing up the book Embers of War which covers the entire leadup and aftermath of the First Indo-China War and the evolution of America's policy toward Vietnam. It's an amazing book and now I'm looking for a book that picks off where it ends and goes into the Vietnam War. Any recommendations? I know Stanley Karnow's book is considered a landmark but it was published way back in 1983 so does it still hold up? I want something that covers both the political and military history of the Vietnam War. Shimrra Jamaane posted:So any more recommendations for books on the Vietnam War? A Bright Shining Lie is more of a biography of one dude than a history isn't it? Our Vietnam https://www.amazon.com/Our-Vietnam-1954-1975-J-Langguth/dp/0743212312 is pretty good. It gives a brief history of the French in Vietnam, and then the gradual immersion of the US starting with Ike and Kennedy. It covers both sides pretty well, discussing some of the higher up people in N. Vietnam as well as the labyrinth of intrigue in Saigon. Don't expect much from the 'boots on the ground' - he discusses some of the battles, but it's mostly about the principle actors, decisions, and events that happened from 54-75.
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Ainsley McTree posted:In a better world, John Adams gets the world-eating broadway smash, and Hamilton gets the HBO series that was fine, honestly, but everyone forgets about it. it's cause both adams and q adams were huge dorks
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SeanBeansShako posted:Nobody ever remembers that Medal Of Honor Pacific game they did for the PC which I thought was quite good too.
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Medal of Honor was so awesome it sucks that they brought it to Modern Day and completely ruined it all. I even liked Airborne!
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Medal of Honor was so awesome it sucks that they brought it to Modern Day and completely ruined it all. Airborne owned because it let you jump out of the plane over and over and over again, long past the point in the mission where everyone should have been out of the plane by now.
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Ainsley McTree posted:In a better world, John Adams gets the world-eating broadway smash But no, you gave us Congress / Good God, sir, was that fair?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Medal of Honor was so awesome it sucks that they brought it to Modern Day and completely ruined it all. Airborne kicked rear end because it threw historical accuracy to the wind and let you fight nazi supermen with tricked out guns.
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Can anyone name a game where a Nazi commits a war crime? I can't think of one and the new COD trailer seems to indicate that the ratio they're going for is one attempted German killing of an unarmed American to three German POWs killed by Americans.
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I always had a soft spot for the Brothers in Arms series, which was so into hardcore realism that gameplay maps were based off of period recon photos of Normandy and Belgium. You could even reload a garand mid-clip! (It also had some great squad-based combat, a genre which has since died with the Rainbow Six series as near as I can tell Siege doesn't count  )Edit: Monocled Falcon posted:Can anyone name a game where a Nazi commits a war crime? I can't think of one and the new COD trailer seems to indicate that the ratio they're going for is one attempted German killing of an unarmed American to three German POWs killed by Americans. The very underrated and mostly forgotten title The Outfit had the SS lock a bunch of French civilians into a church and burn it down early in the game to help establish the Nazis as the Bad Guys. Though you later it turns out the pastor was in on it And then you team up with NotRommel to take down the SS It was a very silly game Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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^ I wanted to really get into that but the PC controls were so duff. Arquinsiel posted:It was free on Origin a while back. I still haven't actually played it. It is pretty neat and they were really dedicated to selling the real life history with the game (It came with a program that essentially was a hardcore historical time line break down and in game you can even enable quick facts) the only bit I really dislike is the strange vehicle part in the middle which can be pretty fiddly and silly narrative wise. Airborn was great because you had to pay attention to how to land at least semi effectively or you end up breaking your legs or worse.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I always had a soft spot for the Brothers in Arms series, which was so into hardcore realism that gameplay maps were based off of period recon photos of Normandy and Belgium. You could even reload a garand mid-clip! (It also had some great squad-based combat, a genre which has since died with the Rainbow Six series as near as I can tell Siege doesn't count I liked the implementation of recharging health in the last Brothers in Arms, which had your screen progressively redden to represent your likelihood of being shot and you wouldn't actually catch a bullet except for the one that did you in. Of course, sometimes probabilities meant you'd get pasted a lot quicker than you expected but war is hell, heh. It was also pretty cool for representing PTSD in a WWII game.
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Monocled Falcon posted:Can anyone name a game where a Nazi commits a war crime? I can't think of one and the new COD trailer seems to indicate that the ratio they're going for is one attempted German killing of an unarmed American to three German POWs killed by Americans. Wolfenstein: The New Order?
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Jobbo_Fett posted:The Saboteur Good fun I liked the fact it was Black & White until you removed enough of the Nazi garrison from bits of Paris. I liked how cheesy it could get with the disguise feature (seriously nobody looked at Sean's trousers and shoes). The Outfit was a weird WW2 game that should have waited a few more years before happening.
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Gully Foyle posted:Wolfenstein: The New Order? I'm not sure that is actually true given that most of the game takes place well after the war. Despotic oppression yes but no actual war crimes as far as I can remember. I seem to remember world at war having the germans attempt to flamethrower you when you're injured.
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure that is actually true given that most of the game takes place well after the war. Despotic oppression yes but no actual war crimes as far as I can remember. There's at least one execution of an unarmed prisoner of war, which I think counts.
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Pornographic Memory posted:I liked the implementation of recharging health in the last Brothers in Arms, which had your screen progressively redden to represent your likelihood of being shot and you wouldn't actually catch a bullet except for the one that did you in. Of course, sometimes probabilities meant you'd get pasted a lot quicker than you expected but war is hell, heh. It was also pretty cool for representing PTSD in a WWII game. Yeah, so far as I can tell it's one of very few games that actually have a quasi-realistic health system, even if it was functionally a recharging health bar. And then they ended the game on a cliffhanger and abandoned the series for a decade to go make Borderlands and Duke Nukem. Geearboooox! 
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Fangz posted:I'm pretty sure removing a POW's brain for use in a killer robot is in fact a war crime. Oh yeah I forgot that bit happened. I don't like the game very much so I only played like, half of it once. Strictly inferior to the much more historically accurate 2008 game where you vaporize nazis with a particle ray gun powered by ghost magic from the black hole sun dimension.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Good fun I liked the fact it was Black & White until you removed enough of the Nazi garrison from bits of Paris. I liked how cheesy it could get with the disguise feature (seriously nobody looked at Sean's trousers and shoes). The Outfit was a weird WW2 game that should have waited a few more years before happening. My absolute favourite thing about The Saboteur is how they reused their titty bounce physics for binoculars on a lanyard. The rest of the game is pretty good too. Ensign Expendable posted:All the time. Wehraboo fan favourite Michael Wittmann died after driving out into an open field and right past a Firefly ambush. Technically, the side of a Tiger could be penetrated by even 75 mm guns and 6-pdrs at a respectable range. CoD 3 took place around the same time as Wittmann's death, and missed a great opportunity for the player to chumpstomp him imo. Jack2142 posted:My first experience with Call of Duty was Big Red One on the Gamecube, that was an interesting campaign, except I don't think too many soldiers fought in North Africa, Sicily, Normandy and the Siegfried Line. Although it was kinda sad seeing all your squadmates die over the course of the game and by the end the sergeant commanding the squad was a private back at the start. Jack2142 posted:I would have figured people got rotated out at some point, but not sure what US policy was on this I know Vietnam had a hosed up system. You were in it til quits basically. If you got wounded and healed up, the army sent you packing to wherever it needed you, which uh, wasn't the best. Audie Murphy wasn't in Africa, he landed in Sicily, but otherwise he made it up to the end up to 1945 before the government made him a war hero. According to him, the company cook was the only other guy from 1943.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Medal of Honor was so awesome it sucks that they brought it to Modern Day and completely ruined it all. Medal of Honor: Warfighter, on the other hand, made you sit through a loading screen to wait for ages to be the sniper that saved Tom Hanks in Captain Phillips.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Yeah, so far as I can tell it's one of very few games that actually have a quasi-realistic health system, even if it was functionally a recharging health bar. I think the angry internet backlash from that four player co-op Kellies Heroes sort of game they slapped the franchises name onto scared them from ever touching the licence ever again. Hilariously, the Payday 2 guys are making the exact same slightly more serious version of that game. Would be nice if they actually brought that series back. I enjoyed the later games on console and actually using real world squad tactics just feels more fun that charging blindly running and gunning Rough Rider style all over the place. SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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