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To respond to a previous comment, if anyone is interested in what a former mall repurposed into apartments might look like, New Haven has your answer! https://betweentworocks.com/welcome-new-havens-strangest-apartment-building/
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Bottomless pit of death seems like a pretty good USP.
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dont even fink about it posted:I'd be surprised if this hasn't been posted in this thread yet:
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Amused to Death posted:To respond to a previous comment, if anyone is interested in what a former mall repurposed into apartments might look like, New Haven has your answer! Haha I went to look at an apartment here, not realising it used to be a mall until I got to the inspection. The agent could read the  all over my face it was pretty good.Also downtown New Haven is a shithole
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Apr 27, 2017 01:43
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simmyb posted:Haha I went to look at an apartment here, not realising it used to be a mall until I got to the inspection. The agent could read the Downtown owns, enough that these shittacular apartments start at 1250 for a 1br. Which is amazing that anyone is willing to pay that for this place when there is an apartment building bonanza happening here. E: most malls are not in the most downtown area of a rapidly gentrifying city though, more like suburban strip mall decay. So the future is bright for cheap and ugly housing units 
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Apr 27, 2017 01:52
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OneEightHundred posted:Well, this kind of covers one common trajectory of failing malls, which is that they go into terminal decline but never actually close, the rents go to the floor, they start picking up no-name tenants selling cheap stuff, open businesses concentrate at a specific part of the store while the rest is vacant. There's really no way out of that state without a massive redevelopment project to repurpose the mall though. Some are now completely abandoned and have been for many years. We have a society that since World War II was designed to have this kind of infrastructure, and in a seemingly endless era of government avoiding any serious infrastructure programs, it is up to whoever has the bill of sale to re-purpose it.
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Apr 27, 2017 02:52
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Cicero posted:As has been beaten to death elsewhere, the water issues California has mainly stem from agriculture, not residential use. Plus it sounds like we're talking about relatively dense developments, the kind that are pretty light on water anyway. Fair enough, but you're not going to stop agriculture in the state. Given that, adding any housing can be an issue. But that's specific to California, I think. Denser is better for transportation, but only if the cities involved actively develop the transportation modes. Southern California doesn't have the best track record of doing that.
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Apr 27, 2017 03:18
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:Has shoeless always sold lovely off-brand shoes? I remember them selling brand name before...But last time I stepped in it was all lovely offbrand stuff. Shoeless is my favorite shoe store purely on account of the name
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Apr 27, 2017 03:20
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If you want to know something that is not completely depressing that is going on with a dead mall, look no further than what has happened to Southeastern Pennsylvania's Granite Run Mall, currently being repurposed into the Promenade at Granite Run.  Essentially, the mall was shaped like an upside-down Y, with three anchor stores. The mall has gone out of business even though two of its anchor stores are still around. Also there's a stand-alone clothing store and grocery store in the mall complex that are still doing fine. This company is going to bulldoze the mall concourse and retail space that connected the anchor stores together and replace it with parking and go for sort of a mixed-use complex thing with shops and apartments peppered around the overall site. quote:MIDDLETOWN >> As a township resident and the chairperson of council, Mark Kirchgasser views the Promenade at Granite Run from two different angles. http://www.delcotimes.com/business/20170107/town-center-to-bring-new-life-at-granite-run-mall Now I think this sounds awful but I'm not exactly sure why.
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It sounds awful because they're shoving parking in the middle rather than something pleasant like a little park or recreation area of some sort. One of the nice things of even a dying mall is that you at least have a sizable indoor semi public space and shelter between the remaining stores. Tearing out the middle for more parking completely negates anything like that. The other stuff doing, adding medical offices and housing, those are fine. But making the center yet another parking lot? Gross. Edit: also lol that it seems to rely on the Sears and Sears Auto to stay in business considering the sears trajectory. fishmech fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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Apr 27, 2017 04:05
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:If you want to know something that is not completely depressing that is going on with a dead mall, look no further than what has happened to Southeastern Pennsylvania's Granite Run Mall, currently being repurposed into the Promenade at Granite Run. There's so much loving parking here.
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Apr 27, 2017 04:11
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The last days of the Granite Run were extremely depressing. My LGS moved out of there. Edit: it's across the street from a hospital so medical offices is a good idea SHY NUDIST GRRL fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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Apr 27, 2017 04:18
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About the parking, they are talking about two department stores, a massive bowling alley, a huge movie theater, apartment buildings, restaurants, and God knows what else. But yeah, I think the whole thing sounds completely unwalkable and unsuited to any sort of experience other than park car, go to thing, leave thing, return to car.
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Apr 27, 2017 04:26
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This is just more evidence that the internet was a mistake.
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Apr 27, 2017 06:21
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Amused to Death posted:To respond to a previous comment, if anyone is interested in what a former mall repurposed into apartments might look like, New Haven has your answer! Glass of Milk posted:Denser is better for transportation, but only if the cities involved actively develop the transportation modes. Southern California doesn't have the best track record of doing that.
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Apr 27, 2017 15:48
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Cicero posted:Yeah I dunno about San Diego but LA has actually been quite good about building out their rail system lately, it's just that they have a lot of catching up to do. Don't say this, that's how you get New Yorkers You know what I haven't seen recently? lovely-rear end roach coaches. Now it's all these fancy, yuppified food trucks where you pay $6 for three tacos or something, instead of the 75 cents each I remember from my youth. What happened to them?
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Apr 27, 2017 16:07
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Don't say this, that's how you get New Yorkers Cities change.
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Cicero posted:Looks pretty inoffensive except for that inner courtyard, ugh what happened. Looks totally phoned-in.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:San Diego ain't doing poo poo - LA puts them to shame at this point. San Diego has two massive projects right now that are a mix of highway, light rail, medium rail, and trolly lines from University up to Carlsbad. Mid-coast and north-coast corridor Los Angeles has been able to afford the massive jobs in progress because of Measure R. (I worked on 3 of the large LA Metro jobs being constructed right now, and one of the large San Diego jobs)
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eyebeem posted:San Diego has two massive projects right now that are a mix of highway, light rail, medium rail, and trolly lines from University up to Carlsbad.
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Apr 27, 2017 16:32
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Okay I'm wrong then! Guess they picked up the slack in the last couple years - last I saw the plan was like, "do something by 2035". The big problem is that SANDAG and Caltrans basically blew their San Diego budget for two years to fund these jobs, and it's completely stalled infrastructure spending elsewhere in the county. I work in civil construction (obviously) and we have seen a massive reduction in projects because of it. Mid Coast : http://www.sandag.org/uploads/projectid/projectid_250_16887.jpg
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Apr 27, 2017 16:38
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eyebeem posted:The big problem is that SANDAG and Caltrans basically blew their San Diego budget for two years to fund these jobs, and it's completely stalled infrastructure spending elsewhere in the county. I work in civil construction (obviously) and we have seen a massive reduction in projects because of it.
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Apr 27, 2017 17:08
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OneEightHundred posted:Converting a mall into residential isn't really practical, converting it into office space probably is though. Warehouses and self-storage. Where I'm originally from a place that was a small strip mall-ish thing (it was like 6 stores so I don't know if it really counts) is just storage now. Companies rent it intermittently if they need to temporarily store a K-Mart worth of poo poo for whatever reason.
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Apr 28, 2017 01:23
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Warehouses and self-storage. Where I'm originally from a place that was a small strip mall-ish thing (it was like 6 stores so I don't know if it really counts) is just storage now. Companies rent it intermittently if they need to temporarily store a K-Mart worth of poo poo for whatever reason. I see those seasonal Halloween and Christmas stores pop up in dead strip malls around Baltimore every year. And fireworks stands in the parking lots around the 4th.
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Apr 28, 2017 02:33
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I know of at least one big box store that went out of business, then the local county government bought it on the cheap, redid the interior a bit, and moved every last one of their offices in there (except the courthouse obviously). So they had a cost effective one stop shop for government offices rather than having them spread out over a dozen buildings all over the place. It was pretty nice inside too.
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Apr 28, 2017 03:00
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It bums me out that we seemed to stop building nice looking public buildings in like 1950.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:You know what I haven't seen recently? lovely-rear end roach coaches. Now it's all these fancy, yuppified food trucks where you pay $6 for three tacos or something, instead of the 75 cents each I remember from my youth. What happened to them? There are still inexpensive food carts and taco trucks all over America and all over places like New York. I'm afraid inflation has made the .75 cent taco a thing of the past. the black husserl fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Apr 28, 2017 03:17
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paragon1 posted:I know of at least one big box store that went out of business, then the local county government bought it on the cheap, redid the interior a bit, and moved every last one of their offices in there (except the courthouse obviously). So they had a cost effective one stop shop for government offices rather than having them spread out over a dozen buildings all over the place. It was pretty nice inside too. Huh, that actually makes sense for government offices, and there is plenty of room for parking already. Where is this converted government building?
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Apr 28, 2017 03:32
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the black husserl posted:There are still inexpensive food carts and taco trucks all over America and all over places like New York. I'm afraid inflation has made the .75 cent taco a thing of the past. The simpsons were buying 100 tacos for 100 dollars in 1996 for their doctor who marathon and that was treated as a good deal even then 20 years ago.
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I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned Rackspace's purchase of an abandon mall to be their domestic hq and support center. But with them being local, I'm not sure how well known they actually are.
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HEY NONG MAN posted:Here's the parking structure for that amazon fresh pickup store Do you live in Australia? I'd like to take an abandoned mall, fill it with obsolete goods and create a zombie experience. No fighting, just sitting in gated stores trying to enjoy your consumer products while hell is located just a few feet away. Apocalyptic news periodically through an old CRT or radio. 24 hour minimum commitment.
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duz posted:I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned Rackspace's purchase of an abandon mall to be their domestic hq and support center. But with them being local, I'm not sure how well known they actually are. Don't they do a similar thing for their offices all over? The Rackspace office down in Blacksburg is located in an office building that clearly used to be strip mall type retail on the bottom floor, directly adjacent to a small remaining "mall" that has a large chunk taken over by the university. I'm not sure if they still use the location, when we moved out in 2015 there were rumors they were going to move elsewhere in town.
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Vince joins Sears in flagging 'substantial doubt' it can stay in businessquote:Shares of luxury fashion brand Vince tumbled nearly 40 percent Friday, after the company said it has "substantial doubt" about its ability to continue as a going concern for the next 12 months. Add another to the pyre.
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I feel like Edward S. Lampert would have been out as head of Sears years ago if anyone else cared to have the job. This newsfeed elicits a mirthless chuckle: https://www.nytimes.com/topic/person/edward-s-lampert?inline=nyt-per
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Granite Run was my wife's teenage hangout mall and she was very sad to see it in such a dilapidated nigh-abandoned state. I bought a shirt from that Boscov's on the way to a wedding.Beachcomber posted:I'd like to take an abandoned mall, fill it with obsolete goods and create a zombie experience. No fighting, just sitting in gated stores trying to enjoy your consumer products while hell is located just a few feet away. Apocalyptic news periodically through an old CRT or radio. 24 hour minimum commitment. Like, alternate idea: get people to pay for a spin class. The bicycles power a radio that just repeats "The Matrix has you" over and over. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Apr 28, 2017 19:32
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It seems like even the restaurant industry isn't safe from the changes to retail: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.93f7758a1bc0 Although the article doesn't mention it as a cause, a lot of this could be caused by malls/stores closing, because when people aren't stopping at Sears for a new lawnmower, they also aren't going to the Olive Garden afterwards. It would be interesting to see how restaurants are doing, compared to whether they are chain restaurants, big restaurants, or smaller, independent restaurants. I suspect that the second are still doing well, but they make up a minor part of the sector.
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glowing-fish posted:It seems like even the restaurant industry isn't safe from the changes to retail: "Fast casual" is cleaning house. lovely sit-downs are dying on the vine.
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We'll do what we have to to ensure nobody goes to a Chili's ever again.
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Glass of Milk posted:We'll do what we have to to ensure nobody goes to a Chili's ever again. I'd eat at Chili's every day of the week if it kept me out of an Applebees. Their latest menu revision a few years back sucks and they took all the good stuff off the menu.
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anonumos posted:"Fast casual" is cleaning house. lovely sit-downs are dying on the vine. What is the difference? Which one is Denny's? Like the only thing that could really drive business out of Denny's is if the Ventrue and Toreador engage in a civil war.
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