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My own brother is a Macronite.
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Yeah my macron friends are doing well for themselves.Pinch Me Im Meming posted:My own brother is a Macronite. It's like a suitcase brand but only for money.
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Apr 27, 2017 21:48
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My grandfather is the elusive working class Macron voter who seriously believes in austerity because he lives like a goddamn monk.
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Apr 27, 2017 21:52
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All the macronites I know have masters degrees and most of them have either spent time abroad on Erasmus, work in some EU institution, or have emigrated to, like, the US Granted this demographic comprises like 85% of my social circles but still
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Apr 27, 2017 22:32
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There is a substantial non-rich part of the population that is actually profiting from globalization and neo-liberalism. I don't think that's really surprising to anyone.
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Apr 27, 2017 22:37
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Apr 27, 2017 22:46
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:There is a substantial non-rich part of the population that is actually profiting from globalization and neo-liberalism. I don't think that's really surprising to anyone. Our (Future) Glorious Overlords.
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Apr 27, 2017 22:59
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:There is a substantial non-rich part of the population that is actually profiting from globalization and neo-liberalism. I don't think that's really surprising to anyone. They wouldn't happen to be petty bourgie as gently caress?
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Apr 27, 2017 23:14
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Apr 27, 2017 23:16
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Flowers For Algeria posted:All the macronites I know have masters degrees and most of them have either spent time abroad on Erasmus, work in some EU institution, or have emigrated to, like, the US This describes all of my French friends and my facebook feed is being ecstatic Here's what, you promise to vote for Macron to counter Le Pen, and I promise to vote for the PTB in our next elections. We're all Europeans now
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Apr 28, 2017 00:37
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Why don't we call them Macronies
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Apr 28, 2017 02:44
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La pen is going to win. Faceit. Its time to watch the world burn.
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Apr 28, 2017 06:19
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LeoMarr posted:La pen is going to win. Faceit. Its time to watch the world burn. No, she's not.
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Apr 28, 2017 06:27
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whomupclicklike posted:Why don't we call them Macronies I want to call them Macaronis but that's probably a slur for Italians in several countries. Anyway, the modern far left probably shouldn't be throwing stones when it comes to being bougies out of touch with the working class
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Apr 28, 2017 06:33
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whomupclicklike posted:Why don't we call them Macronies
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Apr 28, 2017 06:35
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whomupclicklike posted:Why don't we call them Macronies What about Modrons?
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Apr 28, 2017 07:10
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Edible Hat posted:No, she's not. Probably not, but if there's one candidate who's capable of blowing it it's Macron. Phlegmish posted:Anyway, the modern far left probably shouldn't be throwing stones when it comes to being bougies out of touch with the working class Sorry that the modern far left that exists in your head isn't worker-friendly enough I guess?
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Apr 28, 2017 08:47
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Cardiac posted:What about Modrons? no MACROSS
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Apr 28, 2017 09:43
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It always surprises me how automatic that support for centrist liberalism is with middle class people. Most of my friends just have this unqualified support for Macron, Rutte, and so on with no questioning on any level, and yet they don't even talk about it as a matter of pure self interest or class interest, they truly believe in it it seems which is alienating.
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Apr 28, 2017 09:57
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Two school teachers and an auto workers are definitely the first thing I think of when I think "out of touch caviar snorters"
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Apr 28, 2017 10:06
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Shibawanko posted:It always surprises me how automatic that support for centrist liberalism is with middle class people. Most of my friends just have this unqualified support for Macron, Rutte, and so on with no questioning on any level, and yet they don't even talk about it as a matter of pure self interest or class interest, they truly believe in it it seems which is alienating. It's because they've been convinced that economics is a solved equation, with right and wrong policies, rather than a continuous ideological struggle over who in society gets what.
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Apr 28, 2017 10:06
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Shibawanko posted:It always surprises me how automatic that support for centrist liberalism is with middle class people. Most of my friends just have this unqualified support for Macron, Rutte, and so on with no questioning on any level, and yet they don't even talk about it as a matter of pure self interest or class interest, they truly believe in it it seems which is alienating. Well, the narrative for the past few decades has been pretty much that there is no alternative for centrist liberalism. Its been embraced by everyone, from economists to newspapers to media to politicians.
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Apr 28, 2017 10:08
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Shibawanko posted:It always surprises me how automatic that support for centrist liberalism is with middle class people. Most of my friends just have this unqualified support for Macron, Rutte, and so on with no questioning on any level, and yet they don't even talk about it as a matter of pure self interest or class interest, they truly believe in it it seems which is alienating. Eh, yes? Why wouldn't you want centrist liberalism? The alternatives are in comparison bad choices, where socialists have failed to learn anything from the last 120 years and nationalists are just isolationist socialists. There is a reason why both conservative and socialdemocratic parties have triangulated to the middle, because that is how you win elections. This have also a second effect in that classic liberal parties have been marginalized.
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Apr 28, 2017 10:11
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This isn't explicitly about Macron, but now I'm wondering if he's a fan of that TV show.
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Apr 28, 2017 10:15
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Shibawanko posted:It always surprises me how automatic that support for centrist liberalism is with middle class people. Most of my friends just have this unqualified support for Macron, Rutte, and so on with no questioning on any level, and yet they don't even talk about it as a matter of pure self interest or class interest, they truly believe in it it seems which is alienating. When you're only following politics through the mainstream media then yeah, I get why centrist liberalism might seem like the only logical choice. (I don't mean that in a demeaning way, just as a personal observation) A few of my co-workers who initially intended to vote for Macron were actually interested in Melenchon when we talked about it and debated a little bit. Fast forward 2 weeks and they just reverted back to Macron out of fear of change, negative media coverage and self-interest. Inertia is a powerful thing. 
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Apr 28, 2017 10:18
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Cardiac posted:The alternatives are in comparison bad choices, where socialists have failed to learn anything from the last 120 years and nationalists are just isolationist socialists. There's nothing wrong with being a centrist (truly, I don't mean that in a snide way), but surely you can understand that left-wingers simply do not see things that way?
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Apr 28, 2017 10:21
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Cardiac posted:Eh, yes? Because it's been loving terrible for things like privatisation, workers rights, income inequality, pensions, and a host of other quite important things. Centrist liberalism is fine if you benefit from the status quo, but there's not very many people in that privileged position. Sadly they tend to all be quite powerful (especially because in liberalism money & power go hand in hand) and they do a very good job of drowning out the alternative voices or at least making it seem like there is no alternative to their lovely way. Cardiac posted:The alternatives are in comparison bad choices, where socialists have failed to learn anything from the last 120 years and nationalists are just isolationist socialists. As an aside, this is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in D&D, & I've had the misfortune of reading some terrible posts. So well done I guess. Nationalists are isolationist socialists. 
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Apr 28, 2017 10:25
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Cardiac posted:Eh, yes? ah yes tell me more about how conservatives, particularly in anglophone countries, have triangulated to the middle
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Apr 28, 2017 10:26
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So-called "centrism" is repackaged neoliberalism and its's a disease comparable to gangrene or necrotizing fasciitis. Treatment involves cutting off the affected body parts, which is mostly heads
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Apr 28, 2017 10:31
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Cardiac posted:Why wouldn't you want centrist liberalism? Whereas centrist liberalists have learned that we gotta go back to the social norms of 120 years in the past, back to the Gilded Age when everything was great because there wasn't any of these pesky regulations between the already wealthy and profits.
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Apr 28, 2017 12:27
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https://twitter.com/rulajebreal/status/857920876473438209 It's time we banned all military men from glorious europa, political correctness gone mad.
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Apr 28, 2017 12:38
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Al-Saqr posted:https://twitter.com/rulajebreal/status/857920876473438209 Military really bad at plotting, reassuring imo.
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Apr 28, 2017 12:43
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Al-Saqr posted:https://twitter.com/rulajebreal/status/857920876473438209 this false flag clearly a false flag by a secretly brown liberal traitor :afdsay:
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Apr 28, 2017 12:47
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Cardiac posted:There is a reason why both conservative and socialdemocratic parties have triangulated to the middle, because that is how you win elections. actually all social democratic parties that veer to the center are losing hard (you know why they do veer? inflitration by neoliberals, not because labor suddenly likes neoliberal politics)
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Apr 28, 2017 12:53
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Goa Tse-tung posted:actually all social democratic parties that veer to the center are losing hard (you know why they do veer? inflitration by neoliberals, not because labor suddenly likes neoliberal politics) Yep. Hollande won elections on a campaign of hard leftism, vowing to fight against speculators and lobbies. Then he actually led five years of neoliberal policies, and his party got less than 7% of the votes; while the left-wing party that campaigned on the theme that the PS can't be trusted anymore got thrice that score. What actually happens when the left veers to neoliberal policies of austerity for the poor, boundless generosity for the wealthy is that the people turn to the extremes. This mechanism is known since the 1920s, and the establishment is consciously exploiting it, which you can see in how they attack viciously people deemed to be on the extreme left but they legitimize people on the extreme-right. The endgoal of austerian neoliberalism is a system of oligarchic neofascism, similar to what you see in China or Russia. Really, it's a return to the ancien regime: the nobility, now called the oligarchs, have all the rights and all the privileges; the commoners can be exploited for fun and profit. Al-Saqr posted:https://twitter.com/rulajebreal/status/857920876473438209 The soldier has been disciplined: as punishment, his service weapon was downgraded from a broomstick to a brush. The bill for procurement of the brush was sent to the Syrian government. Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Apr 28, 2017 13:45
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Shibawanko posted:It always surprises me how automatic that support for centrist liberalism is with middle class people. Most of my friends just have this unqualified support for Macron, Rutte, and so on with no questioning on any level, and yet they don't even talk about it as a matter of pure self interest or class interest, they truly believe in it it seems which is alienating. Why are you surprised that people want what's been voted for in multiple countries for decades really. "everyone's a secret leftist" stuff is just wishful thinking. You seem to deeply overestimate how much average people think about politics or economics, frankly.
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Apr 28, 2017 14:58
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fishmech posted:Why are you surprised that people want what's been voted for in multiple countries for decades really. "everyone's a secret leftist" stuff is just wishful thinking. It doesn't surprise me exactly I guess but it's just hard to accept that it really does work like that in people's minds.
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Apr 28, 2017 15:20
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Shibawanko posted:It doesn't surprise me exactly I guess but it's just hard to accept that it really does work like that in people's minds. They basically think it's ok to have 0 political opinion the same way it's ok to have 0 opinion on the latest movie or TV show. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Shibawanko posted:It always surprises me how automatic that support for centrist liberalism is with middle class people. Most of my friends just have this unqualified support for Macron, Rutte, and so on with no questioning on any level, and yet they don't even talk about it as a matter of pure self interest or class interest, they truly believe in it it seems which is alienating. I too am baffled and confused that other people could have a different ideology and worldview than my own
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Phlegmish posted:I too am baffled and confused that other people could have a different ideology and worldview than my own He's the guy who would rather live in the GDR, instead of modern day America. In the GDR, there were no different worldviews. Only wrong worldviews and educational torture.
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