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ChrisBTY posted:Given how well the others took having their heart stolen, I'd say less 'redeemed' and more 'stricken with a fate worse than death.' Akechi hates himself to a staggering degree already so if anyone popped the cork on his repressed guilt then he'd probably eat his own tongue to make it stop. Boy is effed up.
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Persona users don't have Palaces. So no Akechi hacking.
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If I can't steal his heart through magic, then I'll have to do it through love...Oxxidation posted:Akechi hates himself to a staggering degree already so if anyone popped the cork on his repressed guilt then he'd probably eat his own tongue to make it stop. Boy is effed up.
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Apr 28, 2017 06:30
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Akechi seemed halfway through having a change of heart already by the time he "died". So I don't know if taking his heart is really what will go down in this hypothetical Akechi-dungeon.
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Apr 28, 2017 06:35
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Moltrey posted:If I can't steal his heart through magic, then I'll have to do it through love... https://youtu.be/zIMOhmbRVd8
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Apr 28, 2017 06:41
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Motto posted:I like everything about sojiro and futaba besides the fact that hermit angles romantic after the headpat then evades it if you don't go that route. I sure didn't want to romance her but sidestepping her having a crush feels dumb even if it happened in a funny way and ended with hi-fives. futaba is the correct option because she gives you morgana chocolate
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Apr 28, 2017 10:16
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Motto posted:I like everything about sojiro and futaba besides the fact that hermit angles romantic after the headpat then evades it if you don't go that route. I sure didn't want to romance her but sidestepping her having a crush feels dumb even if it happened in a funny way and ended with hi-fives.
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Apr 28, 2017 10:50
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A cool thing that's semi-easy to miss: A lot of the Mementos requests can be found hanging around the city, both before and after you change their hearts.
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Apr 28, 2017 13:16
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I caught the homeless one but none of the others. Speaking to hobos is easier than speaking to school-people.
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Apr 28, 2017 13:28
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I was gonna fight Caroline and Justine early for the Expedite Ring, but I accidentally won. Yoshitsune, my man, Jesus Christ. I love how they aren't immune to having their 50% HP spells reflected back at themselves, that helped out a lot.
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Apr 28, 2017 13:59
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So there are a few Thoth deck Major Arcana we haven't seen in a Persona game yet that could show up in a (still hypothetical) Persona 5 expanded edition:
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Apr 28, 2017 14:36
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Harrow posted:So there are a few Thoth deck Major Arcana we haven't seen in a Persona game yet that could show up in a (still hypothetical) Persona 5 expanded edition: Didn't Lust show up in the P4G with Adachi?
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Apr 28, 2017 14:42
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There really aren't a lot of good choices for expanded social links unless they make up new characters tbh. P3 had a huge wealth they could because almost all the links in the original release were side characters with no relevance to the plot and a ton of plot characters didn't get them. That was toned back a lot in P4 and P5. I guess you could probably do Lala Escargot as any of the ones you mentioned, depending on where they want to take her story, and maybe one of the non-Kawakami teachers? I'm struggling to think of anyone else who isn't a new character that could fit. Maybe the priest?
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Hunt11 posted:Didn't Lust show up in the P4G with Adachi? They called it "Hunger" and made it number 0 like The Fool, but that might count, yeah.
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Apr 28, 2017 14:43
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Harrow posted:
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Harrow posted:So there are a few Thoth deck Major Arcana we haven't seen in a Persona game yet that could show up in a (still hypothetical) Persona 5 expanded edition: I'm probably misremembering, but didn't (P4G spoiler)the Japanese version of P4G have Adachi change to the Lust arcana once you revealed him as the killer, but got changed to Hunger or something in the US?. efb, but at least I wasn't the only one thinking that. Also wow this thread moves fast sometimes.
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Harrow posted:
So Akechi's redemption Arcana is built right in? If Adachi, "I attempt to rape school girls because they're bitches" gets a redemption storyline, I am going to be mad as hell if Akechi doesn't. P5 kind of made a big deal out of, "Dying after doing horrible deeds is bullshit. It's your duty to live and atone for your monstrous acts." I think Haru is a strong enough person to forgive Akechi or at least accept him back into the Phantom Thieves if he actually tries to atone. IMO Futaba is the party member most likely to say, "gently caress you, I'm not forgiving Akechi." I also feel Akechi's Confidant should have been like Shinjiro's. You have a limited time to level it and gently caress you if you don't. It would have made his regret feel more natural if the player had to work for that bond instead of Rank 9 coming from him shooting your doppleganger in the head.
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Because you don't want to think of Adachi's sex drive any more than necessary tbh.
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Oh wait, you're right. Hunter was number XI so it was definitely Lust. Never mind!dragon_pamcake posted:So Akechi's redemption Arcana is built right in? I wouldn't want to see him reintegrated into the Phantom Thieves but if there was like an epilogue month in a Persona 5 expansion or something, I could see a confidant focused around getting him to realize just how wrong his actions were and turn himself in or something. Maybe have one more quest where he fights alongside Joker or something like that. Adachi is horrible and his actions directly led to the deaths of two people and indirectly to the death of one more, but Akechi personally killed more than that and indirectly caused the death or serious injury of dozens more. I know we only specifically hear about Wakaba and Okumura, but man, Akechi has done some horrible poo poo. Harrow fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Apr 28, 2017 14:45
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The principal. The train driver. SIU guy. We'll say he killed someone for each of Shido's five buddies and that puts him at a 10 strong body count. Akechi is irredeemable.
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Apr 28, 2017 14:54
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Did anyone die in the train accident? Because I have a real hard time believing there weren't any fatalities there.
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Apr 28, 2017 14:53
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the massacre at shibuya's ihop
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Apr 28, 2017 14:56
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Sometimes you just have to kill a shitload of people so that when you kill the person you were originally aiming for it's even more killtastical.
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Apr 28, 2017 14:57
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Yeah, Akechi getting a redemption arc where he rejoins the group would be a 'Join up with Adachi' level bad ending imo.
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Apr 28, 2017 14:59
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I could see him fighting alongside the Phantom Thieves or even just Joker in a bonus dungeon or something and then turning himself in afterwards, but that's as close to a redemption arc as he deserves. He's definitely alive, though. We never saw the body and like hell Atlus wouldn't put him in Persona 5 Arena.
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Apr 28, 2017 15:02
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A post-game where he turns himself in, and then you all get to watch his state execution.
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Apr 28, 2017 15:08
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Silver lining: for his last meal he finally gets pancakes.
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Lots of people saying he killed people, but can you prove it in a court of law?? Didn't think so
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Akechi will save Joker's baby in the new Epilogue and get a pancake
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Instant Grat posted:A cool thing that's semi-easy to miss: A lot of the Mementos requests can be found hanging around the city, both before and after you change their hearts. That a nice detail. I also noticed it on my first playthrough, but you can see the thug working for Kaneshiro in town asking if you want to join his gang the first time you visit there. He usually hanging out by the DVD rental store.
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You can pull it off if you retcon the story a little bit: Akechi is actually the youngest member of a Strega-like group that did the executions. He only personally killed Okumura. You get the option to appeal to his sense of justice and regret over killing Okumura, now he's seen the effects it had on the target's family. The new January dungeon is Akechi promising to turn himself in if the Phantom Thieves help him defeat his former group of assassins who have reopened the metaverse with the help of Wakeba's science and Shido's accomplices. EDIT: This was actually how I genuinely thought it was going to play out, considering Akechi's popularity. What a waste of potential to not have a mirror match between the Phantom Thieves and some evil parallel organisation to them, perhaps with another guy who's a wildcard leading his buddies in a 4v4 fight. Bonus points because this would make Akechi a traitor twice. EDIT2: vv Yep, it's lovely fanfiction, but in between being able to save Chidori and what's his name in P3P, it's not like Atlus hasn't dabbled into wish fulfilment before. The changes would be too sweeping though, so it won't happen. Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Deltasquid posted:You can pull it off if you retcon the story a little bit: Akechi is actually the youngest member of a Strega-like group that did the executions. He only personally killed Okumura. You get the option to appeal to his sense of justice and regret over killing Okumura, now he's seen the effects it had on the target's family. The new January dungeon is Akechi promising to turn himself in if the Phantom Thieves help him defeat his former group of assassins who have reopened the metaverse with the help of Wakeba's science and Shido's accomplices. This would be dumb as poo poo and undermine his whole character so people can project their fantasy onto him more easily.
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I thought pee science would factor more into the game. Was there anything to it other than "Shido figured out you could do bad poo poo in there because Akechi told him you could"?
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Terper posted:Lots of people saying he killed people, but can you prove it in a court of law?? Didn't think so In real life you only need to show that a crime was committed and that he confessed to it. It's happened before.
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Bogart posted:I thought pee science would factor more into the game. Was there anything to it other than "Shido figured out you could do bad poo poo in there because Akechi told him you could"? Not really. It let you have a government conspiracy and tied Shinjiro and Futaba closer in to the plot, but they didn't really do much with it and it could probably have been cut completely.
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Saint Freak posted:In real life you only need to show that a crime was committed and that he confessed to it. It's happened before. This would actually be unacceptable in any country that prides itself for its rule of law. I think even Japan requires the confessor to at least be able to explain how he did it, and if the explanation is unreasonable or causally impossible, it won't hold. In some European countries you can't even self-incriminate at all. Even a watertight confession needs evidence to back it up.
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Count Bleck posted:Haru is just a collection of good things, and her flair for the dramatic is fantastic. This game needed more of her. They need to do the P2 thing of having a prior game's characters be party members in the sequel, and bring Haru back to kick more rear end.
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Terper posted:Lots of people saying he killed people, but can you prove it in a court of law?? Didn't think so Japan tends to be pretty conscientious about obtaining confessions before prosecution, and after Shido goes down Akechi's dumb rear end has a lot of testimonial evidence tied to it. Not to mention the phone recording that Futaba used to bury him after the sixth Palace. Akechi is presented more sympathetically than Adachi but his actions are way more heinous, and he realizes that himself on some level since part of his boss-fight freakout is borne from the realization that there's absolutely no good way out for him anymore. His dad wants him dead, his popularity is superficial, and if he turned himself in he'd either be executed or imprisoned for such a long time his future would be ash by the time he got out (and that's assuming that a self-professed cop would be able to survive a lengthy prison stay in the first place, I don't know how harsh Japanese jails are). His trial would be a complete circus either way. Undisclosed murder methods, circumstantial evidence, and ten new FREE AKECHI blogs springing up every thirty minutes. Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Deltasquid posted:This would actually be unacceptable in any country that prides itself for its rule of law So, countries that are definitively not Japan is what you're saying
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