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Is there anything I can do to speed up Windows Updates? I've got a Windows 10 VM I only use occasionally set up in a VM (I'm primarily a Linux guy) on two of my computers, and recently it's been taking most of an hour for the updates to install while maxing out 2 or so cores on my Intel i7 6800k (it's not disk access speed that's the problem, the indicator lights indicate it's barely touching the CPU) let alone on my tablet with an Intel Core m5-67Y4 (which has a problem with running the VM while I do much else in the first place due to only having 8 GB of RAM). Even if it was accessing the disk, the VM image is on a RAID 10 array or an SSD respectively. I swear it didn't use to take this long, but it's been a long time since I primarily used Windows, and it's just been going up drastically with each recent Windows 10 update. (It's also been crashing a lot on updates, and I've just taken to using VM savestates before updating after I had to just reinstall Windows 10 in one case.)
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# ? Apr 25, 2017 20:34 |
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# ? Jun 3, 2024 22:07 |
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So what's the deal with the creator's update? Should I skip it? Is it possible to?
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# ? Apr 26, 2017 05:21 |
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Jeb! Repetition posted:So what's the deal with the creator's update? Should I skip it? Is it possible to? If you are using w10 pro, you can defer it for several months if you'd like:
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# ? Apr 26, 2017 06:01 |
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Jeb! Repetition posted:So what's the deal with the creator's update? Should I skip it? Is it possible to? It's probably fine. If you're losing sleep over it run a Macrium Reflect Free image off first. THEN if it breaks you can defer the update or whatever. (Or take a second crack at it later; sometimes updates are busted. Or install from media or clean. You still have options.)
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# ? Apr 26, 2017 06:06 |
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Win 10 has had enough issues I jump at any updates hoping they fixed something.
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# ? Apr 26, 2017 15:52 |
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redeyes posted:Win 10 has had enough issues I jump at any updates hoping they fixed something. It feels like they break three things for every one thing they fix, though.
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# ? Apr 26, 2017 21:00 |
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Microsoft is disrupting the OS economy.
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# ? Apr 26, 2017 21:06 |
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I've posted about this before but I was pretty much told to just deal with it but I'll try my luck now when it has gotten even worse after Creators update. So "System" process is constantly using about 3-8% of CPU never letting computer to idle, used to be just 3% before Creators update. When before my computer shut its fans off from time to time then now they're constantly spinning. I reset windows already to resolve other issues I had with the update. Looks like multiple ntoskrnl.exe!PoFxReportDevicePoweredOn subprocesses take most of the CPU time - ranging from ~2% to 6%, but ACPI.sys goes above 3% frequently as well. My old posts about it: SinineSiil posted:This "System and compressed Memory" process is constantly using ~3% of my laptop CPU thus generating enough heat to make it spin up its fans for 20 sec every 2 minutes. SinineSiil posted:4 cores 8 threads too and 16GB of RAM. I had periods of time when it didn't use that much CPU and my computer fans would be off for much longer periods which was nice. SinineSiil posted:I checked on my old computer and there that process uses only 0-1.5% of CPU (usually under 0.5%). It's 2C4T machine with 4GB of RAM. Doesn't make sense that my way way more powerful computer has such high CPU usage for that process. Sininu fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Apr 26, 2017 |
# ? Apr 26, 2017 22:03 |
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What's happening here? It's really giving the fan on my Surface Pro 3 a workout
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# ? Apr 27, 2017 09:17 |
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That's a bug that kept being mentioned during the insider previews. Ought to be fixed, but apparently not. Something something spectrum.exe.
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# ? Apr 27, 2017 10:29 |
SinineSiil posted:
It's not actually the PoFxReportDevicePoweredOn routine those threads are running, rather something that follows it in the binary image. You can tell by the +0x7d0 after the name that the entry point for the thread is not the exported entry point to that routine. I'm just not strong enough with the Windows debugging tools to know how to look up what the actual entry point should be. However assuming related functions are grouped together in the binary image, there's a good chance the entry point is also something power management related for drivers, so my first thought is some driver is misbehaving with power management. Does this happen even right after a clean reboot? What if you've had the system in suspend or some other low-power mode? I'd ask you to get a stack dump from one of the threads in question, but that's quite difficult to do for the kernel on a running system...
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# ? Apr 27, 2017 16:05 |
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nielsm posted:It's not actually the PoFxReportDevicePoweredOn routine those threads are running, rather something that follows it in the binary image. You can tell by the +0x7d0 after the name that the entry point for the thread is not the exported entry point to that routine. I'm just not strong enough with the Windows debugging tools to know how to look up what the actual entry point should be. It happens right away after reboot or turning on from hybrid shutdown or sleep. I have fast startup on because if I turn it off my computer will be unable to shut down... Which is exact opposite of the behavior before Creators update where I had to turn it off for my computer to be able to shut down properly. Anyway, the drivers I installed myself are for Intel and Nvidia GPU drivers and sound, everything else is using what came with Windows or what it "helpfully" downloaded. Thanks for responding!
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# ? Apr 27, 2017 16:55 |
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I swear I've read somewhere that 1703 would be the last big update, as in, the next updates would not produce a Windows.old folder and be more like regular updates. I can't find that info anywhere. Did I dream this?
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# ? Apr 27, 2017 18:18 |
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SinineSiil posted:
Most are on ntoskrnl!KeIsAttachedProcess+0xf0. What the gently caress. --edit: Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Apr 27, 2017 |
# ? Apr 27, 2017 22:24 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:I suppose something's wrong overhere on my end, since I have like 2350 threads in the System process?! I have about 45 of those. How many processes do you have running? I have 173 atm with bunch of programs open. I like what I'm seeing. Still, I want to figure out what is misbehaving for first 3 hours of runtime. I just discovered that my problematic threads seem to disappear completely after ~3 hours of uptime. Of course they come back after restart. Edit: Spoke too soon, it came back two hours later Sininu fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Apr 28, 2017 |
# ? Apr 27, 2017 22:38 |
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I installed the Creators Update and now my sound doesn't work so that's pretty fuckin cool
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# ? Apr 27, 2017 23:29 |
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I installed the Creators Update and now my sound doesn't work so that's pretty fuckin cool I had similar problem, audio from audio jack worked but internal speakers were dead, I even reset whole Windows install to fix it (and other things), which didn't actually fix this one. Turning off audio enhancements solved it for me. Try it: Right click on speaker icon -> Playback devices -> Right click on speakers or whatever audio output device you have -> Properties -> Advanced -> Disable audio enhancements
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# ? Apr 27, 2017 23:33 |
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All I had to do was change the default playback device from "Speakers (Avnex Virtual Audio Device)" which Windows had changed it to without asking me, back to my actual speakers and it works fine.
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# ? Apr 27, 2017 23:36 |
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What the hell did I do? It does it in a Facebook Messenger Chrome plugin, and it half does it in Google Drive Sheets, but not normal Chrome or other programs. The Wonder Weapon fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Apr 28, 2017 |
# ? Apr 28, 2017 00:27 |
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The Wonder Weapon posted:What the hell did I do? It only does it in this Facebook Messenger Chrome app. Wow, thanks for passing along whatever gypsy curse you've acquired by posting here.. edit: Maybe check language/keyboard settings in Windows to see if a right-to-left language was set somehow?
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# ? Apr 28, 2017 00:45 |
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Is there some decent way to disable Windows Update for a while? Some kind of reliable free program. I want to wait a few weeks until the Creators' update has had more of the bugs ironed out of it, but I can see my computer is already trying to download it. Edit: ah, I think I found something that might work. I set its startup type to disabled in the services list. I'll just have to remember to turn it back on in a couple of weeks. Van Dine fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Apr 28, 2017 |
# ? Apr 28, 2017 01:59 |
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Van Dine posted:Is there some decent way to disable Windows Update for a while? Some kind of reliable free program. I want to wait a few weeks until the Creators' update has had more of the bugs ironed out of it, but I can see my computer is already trying to download it. yes
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# ? Apr 28, 2017 02:55 |
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I'd do that if I had Windows Pro, but unfortunately I don't. It'd be great if there was an easy way to defer just the feature updates without pro. As it is, I'll just have to hope that disabling Windows Update entirely will work. It can't be left like that for very long because of the security risk, but at least (assuming that what I tried does in fact work) it'll mean I can pick a better time.
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# ? Apr 28, 2017 03:04 |
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Van Dine posted:Is there some decent way to disable Windows Update for a while? Some kind of reliable free program. I want to wait a few weeks until the Creators' update has had more of the bugs ironed out of it, but I can see my computer is already trying to download it. Windows Update MiniTool solves updates for good. Totally disables automatic updates, lets you use the program to scrape Windows Update Service for all current updates, and then lets you install only what you need, and hide what you don't.
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# ? Apr 28, 2017 11:28 |
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SinineSiil posted:I have about 45 of those. How many processes do you have running? I have 173 atm with bunch of programs open.
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# ? Apr 28, 2017 12:32 |
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pofcorn posted:I swear I've read somewhere that 1703 would be the last big update, as in, the next updates would not produce a Windows.old folder and be more like regular updates. I can't find that info anywhere. Did I dream this? Yes you dreamt it. All they said was that the downloads will be smaller for the big updates. Also twice a year March and September.
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# ? Apr 28, 2017 20:25 |
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I've been using Crashplan since moving from Win7 for my hourly backup to an external hard drive. Is the Win10 built-in backup solution robust enough/reliable enough to allow me to stop using Crashplan? I just want hourly backups of my User folder, plus a couple of other folders outside of my user folder.
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# ? Apr 28, 2017 21:39 |
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Please please PLEASE tell me there's some software I can download to remove (most, if not all) the new privacy invading crap on the Creators Update. Microsoft are seriously taking this too far with tracking my location and IP, and now knowing which EXACT FILES I'm running. This poo poo just makes me want to switch to Ubuntu instead.
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# ? Apr 28, 2017 22:24 |
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MS will probably buy Ubuntu in the next five years
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# ? Apr 28, 2017 22:57 |
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Junior Jr. posted:Please please PLEASE tell me there's some software I can download to remove (most, if not all) the new privacy invading crap on the Creators Update. Microsoft are seriously taking this too far with tracking my location and IP, and now knowing which EXACT FILES I'm running. You figured out your computer is broadcasting an IP address but did you know that your phone is too?
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# ? Apr 28, 2017 23:00 |
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Junior Jr. posted:Please please PLEASE tell me there's some software I can download to remove (most, if not all) the new privacy invading crap on the Creators Update. Microsoft are seriously taking this too far with tracking my location and IP, and now knowing which EXACT FILES I'm running. There's nothing that's going to remove your brain bees, might as well throw out your computer all together.
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# ? Apr 28, 2017 23:03 |
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Junior Jr. posted:Please please PLEASE tell me there's some software I can download to remove (most, if not all) the new privacy invading crap on the Creators Update. Microsoft are seriously taking this too far with tracking my location and IP, and now knowing which EXACT FILES I'm running. Try this, https://fdossena.com/?p=w10debotnet/index_1703.frag Though I would probably just disable the services and not straight up delete them like the guide says. Then again you can't really screw up Windows 10 anymore. So whatever.
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# ? Apr 29, 2017 00:11 |
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I've got my current installation of Windows set to place the Users directory on a drive other than C. If I install the Creators Update, will that revert the setting and make my computer poo poo itself?
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# ? Apr 29, 2017 01:32 |
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A good poster posted:I've got my current installation of Windows set to place the Users directory on a drive other than C. If I install the Creators Update, will that revert the setting and make my computer poo poo itself? Probably not, but you never know. How do you even do that?
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# ? Apr 29, 2017 04:31 |
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Guessing he used a symbolic link/junction point.
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# ? Apr 29, 2017 04:47 |
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Im_Special posted:Guessing he used a symbolic link/junction point. edit: oh wait I'm dumb he said the users folder as in the whole users folder. I was gonna point out how you can put documents/downloads/etc wherever you want with a setting. Entire users folder might be a symlink thing still yeah i don't know Col.Kiwi fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Apr 29, 2017 |
# ? Apr 29, 2017 04:52 |
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Last Chance posted:MS will probably buy Ubuntu in the next five years How do you buy something that's free? No wait, don't tell me, Microsoft will find a way.
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# ? Apr 29, 2017 06:14 |
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[img-uhd-] He probably means Canonical and hell, they might.
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# ? Apr 29, 2017 06:28 |
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So, I'm tired of my system racking up kernel threads to its imminent death. I want to reinstall and figured to try the Reset PC option. Apparently you can keep your personal files intact. What does that mean? Just everything in My Documents or other folders littered over the system drive?MikusR posted:Yes you dreamt it. All they said was that the downloads will be smaller for the big updates. Also twice a year March and September.
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# ? Apr 29, 2017 11:05 |
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# ? Jun 3, 2024 22:07 |
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It keeps user profile directories and everything stored there, kills the core windows directories like program files and program data, and moves windows to windows.old like an update. Directories that aren't created by a windows install aren't touched providing they are outside of the windows structure that gets nuked - so like c:\porn\ is safe but c:\program files\porn\ isn't.
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# ? Apr 29, 2017 12:36 |