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Lustful Man Hugs
Jul 18, 2010

B, A

Kaiserreich should have at least some good guy democracies.

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zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

B
A

Aeromancia
Jul 23, 2013
B, A

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug

Crazycryodude posted:

B,A.

What other forums is this on, out of curiosity?

Three forums for alliances in a browser game that I played years back that are all very small communities in comparison to SA. I did an EU3 and then an EU4 LP that were there but not here that were not remotely as involved as this one and those were kind of my learning experience so I didn't want to not have this one available to the people who read its crappier predecessors and gave me advice to do better. SA I am betting will cover 90% or more of the votes.

csm141 fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Apr 30, 2017

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



B, A

Just because the rest of the world has gone to hell doesn't mean we should too.

Lord Cyrahzax
Oct 11, 2012

AB

We have found ourselves in a world that, for now, requires a steady, firm hand. The emperor's invitation is proof of this! Whatever crisis may plague us, whatever cowards crawl from their holes to topple our nation, we will be ready.

Magissima
Apr 15, 2013

I'd like to introduce you to some of the most special of our rocks and minerals.
Soiled Meat
A, A

Soup du Jour
Sep 8, 2011

I always knew I'd die with a headache.

A, A

A strong, united, conservative Co-Prosperity Sphere.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
B, A
Wisdom and kindness in a world filled with extremes...

Rubix Squid
Apr 17, 2014
B, A

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010

A, A

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
B, B

As per Marx's historical materialism, the only way to reach communism is for the capitalist project to be complete, as such a policy of economic liberalisation and harsh crackdowns on those who would attempt to hasten the revolution must be enforced.

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 01:12 on May 1, 2017

Lynneth
Sep 13, 2011
B, B.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
B, A

LordGugs
Oct 16, 2012
B, A
By allowing the liberal opposition the illusion of control we will take some of the pressure off of our nation. However we can not allow the Anarchists and Syndicalists believe they can walk all over our national order.

AJ_Impy
Jun 17, 2007

SWORD OF SMATTAS. CAN YOU NOT HEAR A WORLD CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE? WHEN WILL YOU DELIVER IT?
Yam Slacker
1B 2A

Usual Barb
Aug 27, 2005

pop it and lock it
B, A

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



Seeing as my last Kaiserreich run (proper Kaiserreich damnit, not the lovely HOI4 implementation) was as a Democratic Japan and it was fun as heck, I vote:

B, A

I Love Annie May
Oct 10, 2012
B, A

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
Well if they find out about this the army will surely kill us all, so I say BA! to the conservatives. Stop letting the military get between the Emperor and his subjects.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

BA

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.
B, A

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


B, A good thinker and vote like this, comrades

Erwin the German
May 30, 2011

:3
B, A.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
B, A

liberal democratic Imperial japan is gonna be weird

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.
Let's bring back the Taisho Era!

kibaces
Jul 11, 2016
B, A.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

B, A

liberal democratic Imperial japan is gonna be weird

It'll look like Britain at the height of the Empire, probably.

Nine of Eight
Apr 28, 2011


LICK IT OFF, AND PUT IT BACK IN
Dinosaur Gum
B,B

Lustful Man Hugs
Jul 18, 2010

Empress Theonora posted:

Let's bring back the Taisho Era!

Um, excuse me this is Kaiserreich - the Taisho era never ended!

(I mean, not literally, but you know what I mean)

Nuramor
Dec 13, 2012

Most Amewsing Prinny Ever!
A,A

Mycroft Holmes
Mar 26, 2010

by Azathoth
B, A

AJ_Impy
Jun 17, 2007

SWORD OF SMATTAS. CAN YOU NOT HEAR A WORLD CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE? WHEN WILL YOU DELIVER IT?
Yam Slacker

Lustful Man Hugs posted:

Um, excuse me this is Kaiserreich - the Taisho era never ended!

(I mean, not literally, but you know what I mean)

The Taisho must go on?

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!
B,A

Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



This was a really good read OP, thank you. :anarchists:

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug
The bespectacled man, who has now introduced himself as Mr. Nakamura, is pleased to hear that VOTING IS CLOSED and the council has reached consensus. He listens to the council's appointed spokesperson explain the rationale of the council's decision:

The Election:

SA Vote: The Conservatives Lose the Majority has 31 votes against 8 votes for The Conservatives Retain the Majority
Non SA Vote: One vote for The Conservatives Retain the Majority

The Conservatives Lose the Majority wins 31-9.

Dissident Policy:

SA Vote: The Olive Branch has 33 votes against 6 votes for The Sword
Non SA Vote: One vote for The Olive Branch

The Olive Branch wins 34-6.

Mr. Nakamura chuckles softly.

"I am shocked to learn that this group of intellectuals has liberal sympathies."

The sarcasm in his voice is evident but not nasty.

"I will take this to the Emperor. You may all go to your quarters now. We will call for you when we require your services again."

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug
Part Two: Incident After Incident

Mr. Nakamura strolls into the room. He has already informed the Council that this meeting would be an important one, where he would ask for further official recommendations for the Emperor. Nevertheless, you’re taken aback by how tired he looks. Your life in the Council has been the nicest captivity you could ever imagine. The secluded mountain bunker in one of the Emperor’s private estates in the remote mountains of Hokkaido is a far cry from the cosmopolitan pleasures you’re used to, but there is a peace here that you appreciate. Your family has integrated into the makeshift community nicely. The foundation of all of this seclusion, secrecy and safety is the hard work of Mr. Nakamura. The rumor is that this Council was his idea, and that the Emperor will judge him harshly if the Council’s advice turns out to be bad.



He coughs and begins to address the room.

“First of all, I know that the news coming from outside this installation has been mostly sour.”



“Your advice regarding the election was taken into consideration. We were not sure if the Emperor’s comments would have the intended effect.”



Indeed, in the time leading up to the election, you debated fiercely with your colleagues about whether these interventions would work. They had. The liberals had a great showing, and the socialists shocked the nation by capturing 15% of the Diet.



The gravity of your task here became apparent when the right reacted to the ill change of their fortunes. The death of Katayama Sen had caused syndicalists to become further radicalized. Rather than quieting the radicals by giving them some representation, they have been further inflamed by the violent reaction of the right.



“But indeed the absolute power of the conservatives was broken. However, with the situation in Niigata, it is not clear that the liberalization of our politics will lead to peace. So I am asking you to reconsider. I do not mean that you must reverse course, but I am merely informing you that His Majesty does not expect you to adhere to your first conclusion on this matter. If the new happenings convince you to change course, then we will respect that. If they do not, we will also respect that.”



“There is also a question on what we should do with regards to the left dissidents. They are disunited at the moment, but we do not know what may happen in the future with them.”



“If another incident like Niigata occurs, it may gain traction in ways we do not expect.”



“This time, it seems that we were able to cool off the situation there through building a majority out of moderate conservatives, liberals and social democrats. It remains to be seen how the reforms will play out, but it seems that we have stepped back from the brink of civil war.”




“Since the syndicalists in the Navy murdered the Prime Minister, Kisaburo has taken over power, and there is the potential for a new policy regarding the dissidents.”



“The nation is still fractious, friends, and so we ask you for advice. Should we stick to this path of liberalism or do we deviate from it?”

(Remember to vote for your first, second, etc. preferences!)

POLICY VOTE #1: Reconsidering the Liberalization Policy

PROBLEM: The liberalization of Japanese politics is taking hold, but the assassinations and uprisings of the last year have caused there to be concern about whether it has gone too far and if absolute conservative power or even military rule may be necessary to ward off the socialist threat.

Option A: Fully Reaffirm the Liberal Path

The policy will continue as is, repressive measures will be avoided and constitutional democracy will be preserved.

quote:

”We weep for the regrettable murder of our Prime Minister, but to exploit his death in order to pursue harsh measures against the Seiyukai’s political foes is wrongheaded. We will always pursue lawbreakers and traitors, but we must not abandon the principles of democracy.” - Morihiko Agano, Minseito member of the Diet

quote:

”We condemn the violence that the radicals utilize, but we refuse to stand by and allow the capitalists to use this murder as justification for suppressing our justified complaints about the mistreatment of the Japanese worker. If you attempt to silence the workingman, he will resort to the only language left to him, and more blood will flow. Do not be foolish.” – Shinsuke Miyake, Shakai Taishuto member of the Diet

Option B: Stick to the Constitutional Path, But Repress the Socialists

Anti-socialist measures will be taken, but constitutional government will be protected.

quote:

”The socialists are too dangerous to be allowed to operate unchecked. Their treasonous activities are behind the troubles in Niigata and the death of the Prime Minister, and all share the blame equally. If we are to preserve our constitutional system, we must keep a close eye on them at all times. They will tear its heart out if we let ideals override good sense.” – Kazuchika Naito, Seiyukai member of the Diet

Option C: Civilian Rule Must End

The military will take over as soon as possible and institute authoritarian measures to suppress syndicalism.

quote:

”The civilian government is ill equipped to handle this problem. Only we can do what is necessary to save Japan from the European disease of socialism.” – Tetsuya Shibata, IJA officer



Mr. Nakamura clears his throat to silence the chatter about what he has just said.

“There are other matters to discuss, namely the foreign policy of Japan.”



“We rely heavily on our foreign interests in China and Manchuria, of course.”



“Some of you may have heard that the Qing Emperor is seeking to restore the greatness of that nation. This is something that may be a threat to our interests.”



“In addition, the Mad Baron of Mongolia has seized control over Western China. He may threaten Manchuria next. Our responses to these potential threats will be shaped by how we handle a rising concern: that of Korean nationalism.”

POLICY VOTE 2: The Korea Question

PROBLEM: The jewel of the Empire, Korea, has been a part of the empire for 26 years. While Japanese settlement continues, there are rumblings of nationalism in the territory. The main conservative sentiment is that Korea is an integral part of the Japanese Empire and all nationalism should be stamped out. On the other hand, there are many liberals who believe that nationalist sentiment in Korea should be harnessed in a way to benefit Japan. Should Korea be a colony of Japan, or should Japan seek to nurture Korea as a partner state, under proper Japanese supervision of course?

Option A: Korea is Japanese

Korean independence will be resisted with all means available.

quote:

”We cannot allow the Korean nationalists to take root here. There is simply too much potential if we are able to make Korea a true province of Japan. The industry and resources here are crucial to the Empire.” – Kuniaki Koiso, Governor-General of Korea

quote:

”Japan is not first among equals, it is the rightful master of Asia. This talk of Korean independence is foolhardy. Japanese dominance is the only path that will deliver Asia into a new prosperous age.” – Katsuyori Makabe, IJA Officer

Option B: Korea Could Be Our Partner, Not Our Subject

If Korea seeks independence, Japan will seek to establish Korea as a puppet within a greater Asian alliance, similar to the status of Transamur and the Fengtien Republic.

quote:

”Our policies in Korea are making an enemy out of a people who should be our friends. By disrespecting their culture and attempting to impose ours, we are making a foolish mistake. The nation of Korea will resent us forever, but if we help them reach their potential then they will be a valuable ally in the coming years.” – Toru Taguchi, IJN Officer








“You will find in the reports today updates of the technological advances taking place throughout Japan. One area of concern however is in the advancement of our military doctrine. There are too many egos at play in the Army, and so we will have to use our resources to decide which of the many potential paths the Army will take as it prepares for future conflict.”

Mr. Nakamura straightens his glasses and organizes his papers.

“That will be all for now. You have three days.”

He walks off.

POLICY VOTE #3: Army Doctrines

PROBLEM: The experience of the Great War makes it clear that the Japanese Army needs to update its doctrines in order to have an edge against the many potential enemies it may clash with in coming years. There are five paths in total, supported by varying factions of the IJA, and ego and careerism means that there is not really a true debate about which would be the most effective for Japan. Rather it has become a contest for leadership and not a scientific debate where consensus would fall upon the best option. The Council needs to decide which path seems most promising for Japan.

Option A: Light Infantry Focus

The Light Infantry focus will open up for Japan. This tree benefits an army design of infantry and cavalry and gives them bonuses for fighting in rough terrain, of which there is a lot of in Asia. This is Japan’s typical tech tree in vanilla.

quote:

”We must be able to operate in any of the many climates in Asia. We do not need to be bogged down with great deals of heavy machinery like the French build. We are not likely to be having grand battles on the plains of Ukraine against the German Army after all.” – Tomoaki Takahashi, IJA Officer

Option B: Defensive Focus

The Defensive focus will open up for Japan. This makes for a more resilient army. This is the typical tech tree for France, UK and Italy in vanilla.

quote:

”We do not have the manpower that Russia or China has, therefore we must do our best to equip our troops so they can resist numerically larger forces.” – Tomohiro Tanahashi, IJA Officer

Option C: Firepower Focus

The Firepower Focus will open up for Japan. This benefits well equipped armies with lots of artillery and tactical bombers. This is the typical tech tree for the United States in vanilla and also what I have used for the CSA in the main game.

quote:

”We have industry in Japan, and so we should be leveraging this. More airplanes, more artillery! Bombard the enemies from range and we will reduce our enemy’s numerical advantage before they are even able to see our troops.” – Hiroshi Ishii, IJA Officer

Option D: Manpower Focus

The Manpower Focus will open for Japan. This benefits large armies of infantry. This is the typical tech tree for the USSR in vanilla.

quote:

”The only way we are going to match the Russians and the Chinese is to conscript as many people as we can equip and to throw them into battle. No amount of air power will help if we are outnumbered two to one on the ground. All these fancy new weapons are just tools, numbers and good tactics will still win the day.” – Minoru Goto, IJA Officer

Option E: Mobility Focus

The Mobility Focus will open up for Japan. This benefits armored spearhead tactics. This is the typical tech tree for Germany in vanilla.

quote:

”Major Goto is insane! We do not have the endless supplies of men that the Chinese have to! What the French are experimenting with in Europe will change the face of war forever and we would do well to get out ahead of it. One Japanese tank will be worth a hundred Chinese infantrymen.” – Hirooki Suzuki, IJA Officer

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


A A E/C

Not sure that Mobility is available outside the military rule paths

Kavak fucked around with this message at 07:27 on May 11, 2017

Lord Cyrahzax
Oct 11, 2012

CAC

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Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
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A, A, A. We must stay the course on liberalization, while maintaining and solidifying our position abroad.

Also pump out consumer goods like nobody's business in order to dramatically reduce that dissent! A Toyota in every garage!

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