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OctaMurk posted:tanks are actually really useful , this whole "MBTs are dead" nonsense has got to stop. Now that the Infantry has the T-Gewehr, all of this newfangled "tank" business is going to die off. We must focus on good old fashioned cavalry.
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OctaMurk posted:Infantrymen are also extremely vulnerable. That's the nature of war, poo poo gets blown up. Tactical ISR has gotten so good that it is virtually impossible to conceal or camo a giant moving hunk of metal. Infantry in general is still very capable of hiding itself, which is really the most important factor in vulnerability nowadays. It is all degrees of difficulty and whatnot of course but the way things look, on the battlefield now and in the future, if you can be seen, you're going to get blown up.
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I just found out today that this glorious thing exists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsYM1SLaiEQ Full contact medieval battle tournament. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Nations_(Medieval_Tournament) Reenactors go home.
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Apr 30, 2017 16:08
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Okay now that is pretty neat.
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A whole poo poo ton of Syria would disagree with the sentiment that tanks have no place in modern warfare, even lovely urban warfare. The issue isn't the tank as a valuable piece of battlefield kit, it's the tank in the American/Western European model where no casualties are acceptable. We've spent the last 40 years developing AFVs with crew survival being the #1 priority, and we're now getting into a situation where things like top attack missiles mean it's no longer tenable. If you have to assault a city tanks are still super useful. I mean, don't send them out unaccompanied like you see in all the Syrian videos of a T72 eating poo poo, but used appropriately they are still a massive asset. The "problem" is just that if you send a bunch of tanks in you're going to lose some, and seeing American tanks burning with dead crew inside them isn't something we're really comfortable with.
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The lifespan of a tank crew on the Eastern front was way longer than that of an infantryman, right?
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From what I read somewhat. Part of the reason for Germany's decline on the eastern front was replacing infantry casualties in it's combined arms units
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MrBling posted:I just found out today that this glorious thing exists. Saw this at bloodstock for the past couple of years - not a great spectator sport but it is funny to watch someone get repeatedly punched in the head by an irate Russian with a buckler. Also you get the sounds up close *mwah*
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Fangz posted:The lifespan of a tank crew on the Eastern front was way longer than that of an infantryman, right? I remember the phrase being "Double pay, triple death", but who knows if that was accurate or just how it seemed.
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Apr 30, 2017 17:27
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Ask / Tell > Ask Us About Military History Mk. III: Gay Black Mannerheim
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What am I looking at 
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Tias posted:What am I looking at Mannerheim being played by a black actor.
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Apr 30, 2017 18:04
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More precisely, the Finnish public broadcasting company decided to have a project which would produce two programs: first a Mannerheim biography shot in Kenya with Kenian actors, secondly a making of documentary. The latter had like three times the budget of the former.
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Trench_Rat posted:Ask / Tell > Ask Us About Military History Mk. III: Gay Black Mannerheim That movie was p great.
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Nenonen posted:More precisely, the Finnish public broadcasting company decided to have a project which would produce two programs: first a Mannerheim biography shot in Kenya with Kenian actors, secondly a making of documentary. The latter had like three times the budget of the former. Finland never disappoints! I'd be surprised if, at this point, they aren't actively trolling their own population.
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Tias posted:Finland never disappoints! I'd be surprised if, at this point, they aren't actively trolling their own population. Sometimes I think the people who'd get upset would be even more upset if it was swedish actors. Fake E: Tias, what danish legendary person by swedish-biopic would upset DFP? ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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Trench_Rat posted:Ask / Tell > Ask Us About Military History Mk. III: Gay Black Mannerheim gently caress your chouch, manner!
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Try Jesper von Buchwald on for size. He started an insurrection against Swedish troops, and if Danskernes Folkeparti flips their poo poo at 1864 for not being patriotic, this would( hopefully) cause them to die from anger-stroke.
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Fangz posted:The lifespan of a tank crew on the Eastern front was way longer than that of an infantryman, right? Definitely longer than their tank in many cases. 
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Anyone here know of a childrens game allegedly played in nazi Germany, where kids had to trick a guy made out as a jew to con him out of his gold? There's a to-do here in Denmark, because our version of the DSA are making a game where kids have to trick a capitalist troll figure out of his money.
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Tias posted:Anyone here know of a childrens game allegedly played in nazi Germany, where kids had to trick a guy made out as a jew to con him out of his gold? That's not ringing any bells, but there was one called Juden Raus! that involved you deporting Jews.
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So while digging through grandpa stuff while trying to figure out what ships my maternal grandfather served on in WWII I found these newspaper clippings of my paternal grandfather after he got back from a tour in WWII and decided to scan them so they don't get lost.  
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On a similar subject, does anybody know of a way to look up medal citations? I have my grandfather's discharge papers, and I've always been curious to know how he won his bronze and silver stars.
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52 missions seems like alot werent you allowed to go home after doing 30?
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Trench_Rat posted:52 missions seems like alot werent you allowed to go home after doing 30? When I was in high school I asked a couple B-17 veterans about that when I was volunteering at the Museum of Flight in Seattle, and the 25/30 mission cap was only for the bombers operating out of the UK, the Southern Theater my grandfather was in had a higher cap of 50 combat missions.
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Trench_Rat posted:52 missions seems like alot werent you allowed to go home after doing 30? Catch-22 is inspired by real-life events.
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If this is the wrong thread, please direct me to the correct one! I'm curious about the soviet space program and want to learn more; what are some good pop history articles/books? I'm a little concerned about sources since I want to get an unvarnished look at it but I don't want to read something that's either crypto American propaganda or crypto Russian/Soviet propaganda. I was fascinated by this article: http://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/05/02/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage and its follow up, http://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/05/03/135919389/a-cosmonauts-fiery-death-retold, and then yet more follow up, http://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/05/02/134735091/questions-questions-questions-more-on-a-cosmonauts-mysterious-death which I suspect may be representative of accounts from the era, so I understand that it may be impossible to get the "truth." That said, here's what I want to know more about :
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Xibanya posted:If this is the wrong thread, please direct me to the correct one! There is a space thread - I forget where - and also the Cold War thread you might ask.
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JcDent posted:Like, was there ever a two-man group of Nazi physicists who worked separately from the others and got the calculations right? Tias posted:There was a pretty good piece itt somewhere, with transcripts of nazi physicists being recorded after hearing that the atomic bomb was a success. It seems like they didn't get it right on their own, but had some leaps of logic after realizing it was done. http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English101.pdf
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Xibanya posted:If this is the wrong thread, please direct me to the correct one! I've got 3 documentaries of youtube for you that I've seen . They paint a bit different pictures, but the contrast between them is more illumnating than not: 1. The Engines That Came In From The Cold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ukJb64Gy8 A Discovery documentary from back when discovery did documentaries - Tells (some of) the story of (some of) the soviet engineers and the specific items they produced, based on the circumstance that NASA bought the RD-180s from them. 2. Space Race (2005): Episode one: Race For Rockets (1944--1949) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcLphSY8PX0 Three-part BBC-miniseries about the space race. It is mostly about the soviet side I think, at least that's all the parts i remember. BBC-quality, post soviet, telling the commonly accepted story of Королёв / Koroljov and his space program. 3. The Red Stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQL9kUCdsu4 Unknown origin to me, but interviews! No talk of Spy poo poo sadly, but that poo poo really falls victim to (as you've guessed) the propaganda and people trying to spin things to look better. Also, that some people don't mention Mishin's alcoholism, Gagarin's "womanizing"/full-on-rapist and so on are telling. It's an excellent example of how you should apply source critique, incidentally. In the end, everything about the soviet space program and its people is a bit muddy, but the big pieces line up well. There used to bee a space flight thread in ask/tell, they would know more than me. E. Found it https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3580990 ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 00:56 on May 1, 2017 |
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In the event of war between the US, South Korea and North Korea, what would be the opening moves? Would the THAAD and other anti-ballistic defense systems be adequate in preventing cities like Seoul and Tokyo from becoming irradiated craters? Is the South Korean military superior to the norths'? How many US troops would be required to repel and invade the north? What would an insurgency look like? Would those loyal to the regime (of which I presume the majority of the population) resort to worldwide acts of terror? Would Trump be willing to nuke Pyongyang and other military facilities, or use conventional bombing instead?
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Xibanya posted:If this is the wrong thread, please direct me to the correct one! I think that red Moon rising has just about everything you're asking for. I didn't know a whole lot about the early space /missile era so I read that a few years ago and absolutely loved it and also learned quite a bit embarrassing note: I did not have any idea who Korolev was before reading that book. He is now one of my favorite characters in all of history.
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Tias posted:Anyone here know of a childrens game allegedly played in nazi Germany, where kids had to trick a guy made out as a jew to con him out of his gold? i think that i saw a documentary where they played that in kazakhstan
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Grouchio posted:Is the South Korean military superior to the norths'? There's a bunch of "Don't knows" here, but, for this one, imagine that gif of bender going "Oh wait, you're serious, let me laugh even harder". The DPRK's army is completely awful in almost every respect. The only thing the army have going for them is the fact even the WW2 howitzers and missiles they're still operating, with the amount of duds they almost certainly have, are still going to be enough to kill and main thousands of people in south korea, and there's no real good defence against a few hundred thousand dumb artillery shells targetting "somewhere in this metro area" short of putting the entire southern peninsula under a big metal sheet. The other factor (I hesitate to call it an advantage) is that the North is amazingly poor and underdeveloped and would probably be one of the world's largest humanitarian crises if people were actually able to help them in any way (which after you've occupied the country, you're automatically taking responsibility for), and also have a shitload of outstanding loans and debts that everyone expects south korea to pick up the tab for if the north collapses and is reintegrated (remember both countries consider the other to be breakaway provinces under illegitimate rebel rule; officially, there is only one korea). In short, North Korea's only valuable because it's so worthless someone else is going to have to pay off it's creditors, and all those people are much richer. There is absolutely no question how well a war goes for north korea; they would be crushed on a scale that'd make the gulf war look like the somme.
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This really stuck. Does anyone here know more? The world at that time, and the soviet union at that time... we all know how bad it got. In the cosmonaut interviews where their wives are present, these women are very symbolically put in the background and treated like such by their husbands. Makes you wonder what happened to all the women.
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Jack2142 posted:When I was in high school I asked a couple B-17 veterans about that when I was volunteering at the Museum of Flight in Seattle, and the 25/30 mission cap was only for the bombers operating out of the UK, the Southern Theater my grandfather was in had a higher cap of 50 combat missions. They also kept bumping the required missions as the war went on and the attrition rate dropped. 25 was a really big threshold in 1943, by 1945 with AAA the only real threat it wasn't nearly as big of a deal. Gnoman posted:On a similar subject, does anybody know of a way to look up medal citations? I have my grandfather's discharge papers, and I've always been curious to know how he won his bronze and silver stars. Generally you can connect the dots with the service record, but the problem is that a lot of the records were destroyed in a warehouse fire in the 70s.
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Videos! Thanks, I'm checking some of these out now! And I'm eyeing Red Moon Rising on Amazon atm. And I'll cross post my inquiries in the other threads, thanks, folks!
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Predicting what would happen with North Korea vis-a-vis the US is really hard to predict. Would the United States start a build-up of forces for a major, iraq-like invasion, and NK in response launch nuclear munitions at these concentration of forces? Possibly. The only thing that is guaranteed at this moment is that NK has built staggering amounts of hardened shelters and bunkers for a couple of decades now. A small american air campaign wont stop anything. Yes NK would loose any conventional war, but the Kim's have spent all that money and effort on nukes precisely to make any conflict un-conventional. My guess is that the USA eventually will be forced to accept living under the threat of a North Korean nuclear attack. After all, you've learned to live with the threat of russian nuclear attack, chinese nuclear attack, french nuclear attack and so on. And then the only question is what will the diplomatic status-quo look like.
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Grouchio posted:In the event of war between the US, South Korea and North Korea, what would be the opening moves? Would the THAAD and other anti-ballistic defense systems be adequate in preventing cities like Seoul and Tokyo from becoming irradiated craters? Is the South Korean military superior to the norths'? How many US troops would be required to repel and invade the north? What would an insurgency look like? Would those loyal to the regime (of which I presume the majority of the population) resort to worldwide acts of terror? Would Trump be willing to nuke Pyongyang and other military facilities, or use conventional bombing instead? These are also good questions for the cold war thread.
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