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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:im willing to bet that space marines are actually the most numerous of the 40k factions In the tabletop yeah. But if that's what we're talking about then the answer to "how much do space marines get paid" is "nothing, they're plastic dolls" lol
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a harpy posted:I love the idea of female space marines. I don't think adding them in would take anything away from SoB. Make them look exactly like space marines, just include 1-3 optional head bits in unit boxes. Yo this is from pages and pages ago, but males have the genetic material to produce both male and female children. And literally the only reason in-lore none of the Primarchs were female is because the Big E was judgemental dad-to-be who didn't want daughters. He wasn't a great dad, in general, but that's common knowledge by this point.
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May 1, 2017 08:18
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Star Man posted:As cool as the Salamders are, I would not want to live on Nocturne. Or Fenris. Really, all of the reasonably humanistic chapters are from hell-worlds.
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May 1, 2017 08:18
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"Service is it's own reward, poor." - High Lord M. Thatcher
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May 1, 2017 08:27
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Potential BFF posted:The Minotaurs are the High Lords of Terra's attack dogs and they allegedly use shifty totally-not-heresy techniques to process their neophytes faster than a standard chapter. They also don't particularly care about getting their marines killed en masse since they've got that sweet line to the High Lords. Also they use Iron Warrior geneseed which makes them the best of the modern marines.
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May 1, 2017 08:31
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Mango Polo posted:Also they use Iron Warrior geneseed which makes them the best of the modern marines. Or possibly both???????
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May 1, 2017 08:31
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Safety Factor posted:Or possibly World Eaters. I'd be down with Iron Eaters. "Iron Within!"
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May 1, 2017 08:37
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World Eaters would have been fine if they weren't jamming metal poo poo into their brains rip.
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May 1, 2017 08:47
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Reading up on the Marines Malevolent... These guys are my new favorite marines, Holy Emperor.
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May 1, 2017 09:07
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Uroboros posted:You can have them draw their inspiration not from the Codex, but from something like Guilliman Shrugged. WHO IS ALPHARIUS.
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May 1, 2017 09:28
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Marines Malevolent are basically loyalist Night Lords
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May 1, 2017 09:32
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Night Lords aren't even chaos marines they're just sick of everyone's poo poo.Kabuki Shipoopi posted:WHO IS ALPHARIUS. Where's the birth certificate?
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May 1, 2017 12:16
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My favorite bit of Helsreach is when they're having the war council and the Marines Malevolent captain calls Grimaldus "fucknuts" while making the OK sign with his power fist on his greave.
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May 1, 2017 14:30
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chaos are gonna also get bigly marines when some of the Biggo Marines become ~corrupted~ by an old god
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May 1, 2017 15:03
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Hi Has the new tactical squad kit dropped yet?
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May 1, 2017 15:04
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/01/new-warhammer-40000-charge-phasegw-homepage-post-4/ 2D6" Charging is still in, and overwatch can be fired multiple times per phase (hitting on a flat 6+) until that unit has been engaged. I guess this is to help compensate for chargers attacking first. Disappointed we didn't see more consistent Move+D6" charges...
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May 1, 2017 15:06
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Was really hoping they'd axe random charge ranges and Overwatch too.
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May 1, 2017 15:07
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xtothez posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/01/new-warhammer-40000-charge-phasegw-homepage-post-4/ boooooo that poo poo sucks. The only mitigating factor is that you now only need to be within 1" of b2b contact, which I guess makes it 2D6 + 1 quote:and overwatch can be fired multiple times per phase (hitting on a flat 6+) until that unit has been engaged. I guess this is to help compensate for chargers attacking first. meh this is whatever; basically just covers you from getting charged by a unit 12" away that was only declaring so you'd have to risk wasting your overwatch shots e: Seriously, though. Why bring back the movement stat if you aren't going to use it for charge distances? TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 15:14 on May 1, 2017 |
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May 1, 2017 15:08
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Yeah, this is the first bit of 8th edition news that falls flat for me. It feels like a missed opportunity, re-introducing the movement stat and then not using it for charge distances. I'm already wondering if it's worth house-ruling this to movement+d6.
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May 1, 2017 15:17
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ANAmal.net posted:Yeah, this is the first bit of 8th edition news that falls flat for me. It feels like a missed opportunity, re-introducing the movement stat and then not using it for charge distances. The only problem with house-ruling movement + d6 is that it's a major shift in distance. With 2D6, the average charge distance is 7". With D6+movement, that jumps to 7.5" for the slowest units, and 9.5" for most others.
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May 1, 2017 15:19
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I guess some units will get a special rules affecting their charge distance, but I doubt it will be too common. It's a bit of a shame, as I thought the use of random dice rolls as a balancing mechanic was on the way out. Edit: although I just remembered from last week's post that Advance moves (replacing running) didn't explicitly exclude charging. If that's actually the case it could be a nice little buff for dedicated melee units like Hormagaunts. xtothez fucked around with this message at 15:24 on May 1, 2017 |
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May 1, 2017 15:19
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Argh, that is disappointing. 2D6 is really variable. And being able to repeatedly overwatch could hurt. I play CSM, so most of my forces have pistols of some sort, so at least I've got the CC buff from being able to use pistols in the shooting phase. Quite surprised given that they wanted to make close combat more of a thing this edition. I'll reserve full judgement until I see what modifiers to charge range there are in the game.
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May 1, 2017 15:19
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charge distance should just be double you movement
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I guess they thought that a single cultist attempting a 12" charge to take the overwatch for a deathstar 1" away was a dumb idea. Glad to see there will no longer be failed 1" charges.TheChirurgeon posted:The only problem with house-ruling movement + d6 is that it's a major shift in distance. With 2D6, the average charge distance is 7". With D6+movement, that jumps to 7.5" for the slowest units, and 9.5" for most others. Plus, something like Hormagaunts or Assault Marines could do something like a 30 inch move + charge, or 36 inch move + run + charge, if that's in.
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May 1, 2017 15:22
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The ability to overwatch multiple times won't matter much in most circumstances. It's pretty rare that a unit has multiple units charging it and does well enough that the first charging unit doesn't make it in. Unless the unit being charged is Tau and the supporting fire rule still exists. If it does, that rule is a huge boost for tau armies.
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May 1, 2017 15:23
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Wish they would have given more information on this one. They didn't clarify whether advance + charge in the same turn is okay. And they didn't mention the effect of terrain, coming in from reserves, or disembarking has on charging.
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May 1, 2017 15:23
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I like the idea of New Marines coming out, because it makes my homebrewed chapter of AdMech Marines a little easier to swallow. I'm still working on the lore for them, but I haven't really delved into it that much.
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May 1, 2017 15:24
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I hope they don't remove challenges 
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May 1, 2017 15:28
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Plus, something like Hormagaunts or Assault Marines could do something like a 30 inch move + charge, or 36 inch move + run + charge, if that's in. ah, this is a good point. raverrn posted:I hope they don't remove challenges disagree 
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May 1, 2017 15:29
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Zuul the Cat posted:I like the idea of New Marines coming out, because it makes my homebrewed chapter of AdMech Marines a little easier to swallow. Thunder Warriors were taller than Marines weren't they? I wonder if any of the new marine process incorporates elements of that process? That would be kind of cool, and dark.
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May 1, 2017 15:32
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TheChirurgeon posted:disagree It's okay, you can just say you hate fun.
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TheChirurgeon posted:disagree Double post, but agree. Challenges are kinda cool, but the wounds spilled over anyway, and it just complicated the drat phase further, and the Assault phase was already a pain in the butt with all the rules and interactions.
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May 1, 2017 15:33
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All I want is a rule where if you use your jump pack to jump into combat and you have a thunder hammer, you immediately pulp the poo poo out of whoever you land onraverrn posted:It's okay, you can just say you hate fun. Challenges are just such a fantasy mechanic. Also the "fun" of them goes away real quick when you play an army that has to always challenge and accept challenges.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Challenges are just such a fantasy mechanic. Also the "fun" of them goes away real quick when you play an army that has to always challenge and accept challenges. My unironic favourite part is mulching the other dude and then seeing my 180 pt Lord become a Chaos Spawn. Repeatedly. That and having my Maulerfiend immobilised on turn one.
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May 1, 2017 15:38
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How about the part where you can't charge within 1 inch of another unit? I can see priority units easily covered by checkerboard formations now.
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May 1, 2017 15:40
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The Bee posted:How about the part where you can't charge within 1 inch of another unit? I can see priority units easily covered by checkerboard formations now. I'm OK with that. What, your screening dudes just let my guys run past them? Being able to screen dudes is fine.
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Milotic posted:My unironic favourite part is mulching the other dude and then seeing my 180 pt Lord become a Chaos Spawn. Repeatedly. That and having my Maulerfiend immobilised on turn one. It's especially bullshit when it happens to a special character. "Welp, Kharn became a Daemon prince and now he sucks"
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TheChirurgeon posted:I'm OK with that. What, your screening dudes just let my guys run past them? Being able to screen dudes is fine. So am I. Hell, I'm loving the new emphasis on tactical unit positioning. I was just a little sad to see that tidbit overshadowed by the (still really frustrating) random charges. Any good suggestions for houseruling that? I'm wondering if "one die must at least be half movement or more" is an okay one, but that might be too complex.
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Couple things about marines: - They do take breaks. Marines from the Dark Angels, for example, regularly meditate in their cells. Some marines go on pilgrimages to relic worlds, or worlds of note to their chapter history. The Space Wolves feast and drink. What looks like entertainment varies by legion. - Council of Nikaea didn't last long. It was called prior to the Horus Heresy. Emperor outlawed the Librarius, which was the military psyker division of the legions established by Magnus, the Khan, and Sanguinius. The edict was passed mostly because interference from Horus and Erebus ensured that only Magnus could offer testimony for the Librarius. He wasn't convincing, but it was believed that if the Khan had been there he would have given a successful defense. Once Horus turned and the Ruinstorm made contact with Terra impossible, Guilliman founded Imperium Secundus and repealed the Edict of Nikaea. This was because his librarians (who were operating as normal marines at the time) saw visions of Calth and could have given warning that would have greatly reduced the losses at that battle. The Dark Angels and Blood Angels followed Guilliman's lead. The Khan never outlawed his own psykers. Dorn was at Terra and continued to follow the edict, locking all of his psykers up until the siege of Terra. It was the edict of Nikaea that directly led to Magnus piercing the Imperial Psi-Shield causing the demonic invasion of Terra, destruction of the Golden Throne, and single handedly hosed the Emperor's plans for humanity. Regarding 2D6: I wouldn't house rule it until you've played it. In AoS there are a lot of abilities to ensure min charges or charge rerolls or +inches or 3D6. It does suck, but it's not always a naked 2D6.
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