France: By Jove!

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Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
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jBrereton posted:

OK but they attack conservative/centrist governments. That's part of what they're for. You can't expect those guys to just roll over and go "ah well history-as-future is not on my side, rip".

actually yes i can because using the police to attack and repress innocent people is corrupt and shouldn't be done regardless of ideology. ditto on using the police to assassinate people

hth

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rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

It's nothing to do with 'bad at politics', it's just a very precarious position, made worse by policies of centrists, who seem committed to only further embolden the far right.

The driving issue here is the migrant panic, and the way it's been mishandled. UK, France, it's all the same story, the reactions pushing right. Thing is, the right won't really stop at migrants, they'll bring the rest of their political baggage with them, which is also fairly pro-corporate, so it's not actually going to solve any of the economic dysfunctions.

So Macron is going to win 5 years, watch as his ratings fall, Le Pen is going to win, they'll probably be a honeymoon period but then poo poo is just going to get worse. Centrism as we know it will be dead by 2022 in France.

# ? May 1, 2017 12:12

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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x-post from europol:

quote:

"I'm a pro-European, I defended constantly during this election the European idea and European policies because I believe it's extremely important for French people and for the place of our country in globalisation," Mr Macron, leader of the recently created En Marche! movement, told the BBC.

"But at the same time we have to face the situation, to listen to our people, and to listen to the fact that they are extremely angry today, impatient and the dysfunction of the EU is no more sustainable.

"So I do consider that my mandate, the day after, will be at the same time to reform in depth the European Union and our European project."

Mr Macron added that if he were to allow the EU to continue to function as it was would be a "betrayal".

"And I don't want to do so," he said. "Because the day after, we will have a Frexit or we will have [Ms Le Pen's] National Front (FN) again."

The 39-year-old is leading in the polls by 20 percentage points, and will try to win over more voters when he speaks in north-east Paris later.

hmm even centrist wunderkind macron admits that the status quo is breeding fascism. why is fallen hamprince unable to grasp even centrist truths?

Condiv has issued a correction as of 12:33 on May 1, 2017

# ? May 1, 2017 12:31

Fallen Hamprince: Nov 12, 2016

Condiv posted:

x-post from europol:

hmm even centrist wunderkind macron admits that the status quo is breeding fascism. why is fallen hamprince unable to grasp even centrist truths?

wow you make this macron guy sound pretty cool, maybe u should vote 4 him condiv

# ? May 1, 2017 12:50

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

Fallen Hamprince posted:

wow you make this macron guy sound pretty cool, maybe u should vote 4 him condiv

i can't i don't have voting rights in france hamprince

# ? May 1, 2017 12:51

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Condiv posted:

actually yes i can because using the police to attack and repress innocent people is corrupt and shouldn't be done regardless of ideology. ditto on using the police to assassinate people

hth

Melenchon, Sanders, and Corbyn have a combined age of About The Length Of Time The US Has Existed; you'd think if the forces of nihilistic centrism were bent on killing them they'd be gone by now.

# ? May 1, 2017 13:02

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

They aren't dead yet because they weren't considered a threat until it was already too late.

# ? May 1, 2017 13:19

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Melenchon is gonna win in five years, is what I'm saying.

# ? May 1, 2017 13:21

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

They aren't dead yet because they weren't considered a threat until it was already too late.

ding ding ding

sanders was and still is considered a do-nothing senator. I can't speak to melenchon or corbyn cause i don't know much about their governments, but the US had quite a few leftists killed and until recently saying you were socialist or communist was taboo.

this kind of treatment is also reflected in our protests. for example, non-violent protestors at the DAPL got attacked with water cannons and attack dogs without a care for their welfare, but right-wing "protestors" who took over a government building were allowed to gently caress around for a month and come and go as they please in government owned vehicles before they did their best to arrest them non-violently

# ? May 1, 2017 13:28

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Fallen Hamprince posted:

https://twitter.com/jacobinmag/status/857290417183838212

the american left is terminally brokebrained and only capable of seeing electoral politics as a competition between centrism and fascism that fascism will eventually win

But it's true

# ? May 1, 2017 13:34

Fallen Hamprince: Nov 12, 2016

current reason why the left is failing: roving death squads sweeping the streets for lanky white dudes with rose emojis in their twitter handle

# ? May 1, 2017 13:46

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

Fallen Hamprince posted:

current reason why the left is failing: roving death squads sweeping the streets for lanky white dudes with rose emojis in their twitter handle

nah, the left is finally recovering after that stuff stopped happening constantly in full view

however, the left hasn't fully recovered from the red-scare and cointelpro bs, which is why it's pretty funny when centrists are like "if the left is so good why don't they just win :smug:

Condiv has issued a correction as of 14:18 on May 1, 2017

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logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

Le Pen!

# ? May 1, 2017 15:20

logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

while you're busy shooting each other a more competent Trump is gonna win bigly

LE PEN!!

# ? May 1, 2017 15:19

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

logikv9 posted:

while you're busy shooting each other a more competent Trump is gonna win bigly

LE PEN!!

that's my worry, but macron is actually acting more competent than hillary so maybe he can actually pull people in to vote for him instead of losing to le pen

edit: actually, i'm being unfair to hillary. she did in fact try something like what macron is doing: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-fletcher/hillary-promised-to-reneg_b_8267424.html

Condiv has issued a correction as of 15:24 on May 1, 2017

# ? May 1, 2017 15:21

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

crooked was satan's incarnation on earth

marcon is just a french prick

# ? May 1, 2017 15:24

logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

Le Pen will win because of those damning MelenchonBros

# ? May 1, 2017 15:25

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

logikv9 posted:

Le Pen will win because of those damning MelenchonBros

maybe. i haven't asked my teammate how she's gonna vote since melenchon lost

i doubt she'll refuse to vote for macron tho

# ? May 1, 2017 15:26

Venuz Patrol: Mar 27, 2011

gah. frigging melenchavs

# ? May 1, 2017 15:32

byob historian: Nov 5, 2008; I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Baloogan posted:

crooked was satan's incarnation on earth

satan isnt real

hillary is :getin:

# ? May 1, 2017 15:36

logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

Vote for French Jill Stein

# ? May 1, 2017 15:40

byob historian: Nov 5, 2008; I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

logikv9 posted:

Vote for French Jill Stein

she done had her chance and now there are literally only 2 options

it sucks when one of ems a nazi but getting rid of all the idiots and letting people see this poo poo is for real seemsmarginally less terrible than the systeme ricaine

# ? May 1, 2017 15:44

Agean90: Jun 28, 2008

LE PEN *le click*

# ? May 1, 2017 16:36

byob historian: Nov 5, 2008; I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Agean90 posted:

LE PEN *le klerk*

# ? May 1, 2017 16:38

im on the net me boys: Feb 19, 2017; Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhjjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhjhhhhhhjhhhhhhhhhjjjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cannabis

Is Macron French Gary Johnson except he probably knows where Allepo is and doesn't smoke weed

# ? May 1, 2017 18:50

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

# ? May 1, 2017 18:56

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

macron is french hillary. people are so excited to vote for him!!!

https://twitter.com/JonathanCohn/status/859103991514443781

# ? May 1, 2017 19:05

Hodgepodge: Jan 29, 2006; Can't post for 225 days!

Baloogan posted:

crooked was satan's incarnation on earth

marcon is just a french prick

please, the antichrist would have won

Shear Modulus posted:

macron is french hillary. people are so excited to vote for him!!!

https://twitter.com/JonathanCohn/status/859103991514443781

vote for us, and despair!

# ? May 1, 2017 19:12

Helical Nightmares: Apr 30, 2009

May day riots and chaos.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2017-05-01-EU--France-Election/id-c9fb1101c95845938b0b1a943a04b676

quote:

May. 1, 2017 11:48 AM ET

Tear gas in France as Le Pen, Macron hold May Day rallies

By ELAINE GANLEY and ANGELA CHARLTON, Associated Press

PARIS (AP) � With just six days until a French presidential runoff that could define Europe's future, far-right leader Marine Le Pen and centrist Emmanuel Macron held high-stakes rallies Monday that overlapped with May Day marches and underscored the fact that jobs are voters' No. 1 concern.

France votes for a new president on Sunday, a ballot being watched closely by financial markets and France's neighbors as a test of the global populist wave. While Le Pen got an endorsement from her father on Monday, Macron held an emotional meeting with a Moroccan man whose father died years ago when he was thrown off a Paris bridge by far-right skinheads.

A May Day march attended by thousands of people in Paris was disrupted as scores of hooded youths threw gasoline bombs at riot police in full gear, who responded with tear gas and truncheons. One police officer was seen spraying a troublemaker in the face.

While supporters from fringe movements often disrupt protest marches in the French capital, they usually don't carry signs. Some of the violent protesters at the May Day event had signs referring to the presidential election and expressing dissatisfaction with both candidates in Sunday's runoff election.

"Not one or the other; instead it's the people's self-defense" read one sign. "Macron=Louis XVI, Le Pen=Le Pen," read another.

Workers in the union-organized march want to block Le Pen from getting into power, but offered differing methods on Monday. Some urged French workers to vote for Macron. Others refused to support the centrist, including far-left presidential candidate Jean-Luc Melenchon, who was eliminated in the first-round vote on April 23.

Wanted or not, Le Pen was praised by her 88-year-old father Jean-Marie, the co-founder of her National Front party. She expelled him from the party in 2015 after he reiterated anti-Semitic comments.

In a speech before a gilded Paris statue of his heroine, Joan of Arc, Jean-Marie Le Pen urged French voters to back his daughter in Sunday's runoff.

"She is not Joan of Arc, but she accepts the same mission ... France," Jean-Marie Le Pen said.

He denounced Macron as a "masked Socialist" backed by the highly unpopular Socialist President Francois Hollande. Macron once served as Hollande's economy minister.

"He wants to dynamize the economy, but he is among those who dynamited it," the elder Le Pen said, referring to France's stagnant economy and jobless rate of around 10 percent.

Marine Le Pen, speaking in a hall north of Paris, also skewered Macron, a former investment banker, calling him a "puppet" of the world of finance and Islamic fundamentalists. Cheers of "Marine President!" and anti-immigrant chants rose up in the crowd of thousands for Le Pen's rally.

Le Pen, who hopes to mimic Donald Trump's election victory, compared Macron to Hillary Clinton. She also sought repeatedly to puncture Macron's argument that he represents change, calling him Hollande's lapdog, the candidate of "the caviar left."

She also claimed that his pro-business policies would not create jobs but send them abroad and leave French workers hungry.
Macron, seeking to remind voters of the National Front's dark past, paid homage Monday to a Moroccan man thrown to his death in the Seine River amid a far-right march over two decades ago. Macron joined the man's son and anti-National Front protesters at an annual commemoration near the Louvre Museum in Paris.

The National Front traditionally holds a May Day march in Paris to honor Joan of Arc. But at the 1995 event, some skinheads broke away and pushed 29-year-old Brahim Bourram off a bridge into the Seine River, where he drowned. The death drew national outrage.

Standing Monday on the same bridge, Macron hugged Bourram's son Said, who was 9 years old when his father was killed.

Said, a chauffeur who supports Macron, said his father was targeted "because he was a foreigner, an Arab. That is why I am fighting, to say 'No' to racism."

Macron said, despite Marine Le Pen's efforts to distance herself from her father's anti-Semitism, "the roots are there, and they are very much alive."

"I will not forget anything and I will fight to the last second, not only against her project but against the idea she has of democracy and the nation," Macron declared.

Polls consider Macron the front-runner in the runoff, but the race has been exceptionally unpredictable.

Over the weekend, Le Pen was endorsed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, a conservative candidate who lost in the first round of voting. Dupont-Aignan shocked many French by agreeing to be Le Pen's prime minister, if she wins the presidency.
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This story has been corrected to show that Macron joined the victim's son, not his father.

Evidently this is what a French skinhead looks like

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Further May Day pictures

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/may-day-violence-france-six-police-injured-armed-group-hijack-paris-march

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# ? May 1, 2017 19:26

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

logikv9 posted:

Le Pen!

# ? May 1, 2017 19:45

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Helical Nightmares posted:

Evidently this is what a French skinhead looks like

This person looks familiar. I think she had a pro-FN Tumblr with a lot of pics of her and her tits out. I stumbled across it and :psyduck:

# ? May 1, 2017 20:09

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

if macron wins he is certain to become as unpopular as hollande is and thankfully melenchon learned that an outside party is the way to not get ratfucked by the centrists in the center-left party so maybe he or someone else has a chance of beating le pen in the next election because the trick of "run a centrist guy but pretend he's radical and outside the two parties" probably won't work again

# ? May 1, 2017 20:13

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

This person looks familiar. I think she had a pro-FN Tumblr with a lot of pics of her and her tits out. I stumbled across it and

"stumbled"

# ? May 1, 2017 20:30

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

fuckthefash.tumblr.com

# ? May 1, 2017 20:33

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

m�lencoquins

# ? May 1, 2017 21:02

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Coolguye posted:

holocaust denial is one of those things that mystifies 24/7, but i can at least understand how toolbags like ahmadinejad got there; their culture wasn't directly affected by the nightmare, so it's seductive to smugly go 'well ACTUALLY' and make some poo poo up. how the gently caress can you be french and be a denier though? like did all of those people that got packed into boxcars and hauled off in vichy france just kind of resurface later in austria or switzerland, happy and fat? like what the gently caress this literally happened right in front of your father's eyes and the same government records you rely on to do poo poo on a daily basis attest that there are thousands upon thousands of people who just sort of stopped existing with no explanation. the gently caress do you think happened, man?

mais rèelment, je suis un idiot et je vais dire tout ce que je veux, quand meme

pourquoi pas?

# ? May 1, 2017 21:17

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

Hola amigos

# ? May 1, 2017 22:46

smoke sumthin bitch: Dec 14, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

why does everyone refer to lepen as being extreme right? sure shes an authoritarian nativist but at the end of the day shes fiscally socialist. calling her extreme left would be far more accurate

# ? May 1, 2017 23:13

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

smoke sumthin bitch posted:

why does everyone refer to lepen as being extreme right? sure shes an authoritarian nativist but at the end of the day shes fiscally socialist. calling her extreme left would be far more accurate

shut up

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logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

le pen

# ? May 1, 2017 23:34

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