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Burt posted:Question. yes its a real thing
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May 2, 2017 09:43
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Burt posted:Is that actually a thing that there aren't many black guys in these unit? If so is it a deliberate thing?
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May 2, 2017 10:14
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Burt posted:Question. It's definitely A Thing. Especially among the SEALs who, at least for a while, loved to claim that "black people can't swim". The unit pictured is a bit unorthodox and might not be representative of the SOF community as a whole.
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May 2, 2017 10:18
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It is also A Thing for some people to point out that white people are disproportionately in combat arms rather than service support. Doubly so if the person is some chickenhawk who never signed up, in my experience.
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May 2, 2017 11:35
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Considering how well the black guys did in the Predator movies this really surprises me.
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May 2, 2017 11:53
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Black guys always seemed go Motor T and Legal/Admin in the Marines. Though I did know two Scout Snipers who were black dudes, but both grew up in upper middle class suburbs of San Antonio. I figure after the draft threw them in to so much poo poo in Vietnam their veteran family members wisely told them to go POG and get a skill set they can do something with
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May 2, 2017 16:43
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In Navy boot about 90% of the black guys had to get basic swimming lessons to pass 3rd class swimmer. They just never had any time out swimming when they grew up.
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May 2, 2017 16:58
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My best friend is half Jamaican and pretty athletic and he doesn't like water very much. He doesn't sink, but he isn't great at swimming. He always wants me to give him swimming lessons every summer (I'm a strong swimmer but never did anything competitive though)
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May 2, 2017 18:26
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Booblord Zagats posted:Black guys always seemed go Motor T and Legal/Admin in the Marines. Though I did know two Scout Snipers who were black dudes, but both grew up in upper middle class suburbs of San Antonio. I figure after the draft threw them in to so much poo poo in Vietnam their veteran family members wisely told them to go POG and get a skill set they can do something with this might just be a marine thing. % of enlisted black service members by branch in 2014: army 23.6%, navy 19%, air force 16.2%, marines 11% so theyre overrepresented in the army and navy, right about national average in af, and underrepresented in the marines. i also found another statistic (unsourced from a blog post) that claimed 1/4 of all enlisted black soldiers are combat arms. my anecdote is that in my line company we only ever had a handful of black guys, and asian dude here or there, a couple amindians, and atleast 1/3 hispanic the more interesting thing from that demo report is amount of enlisted pay grades per branch. biggest # per branch: af and navy e5, army e4, marines e3
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May 2, 2017 18:44
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:this might just be a marine thing. % of enlisted black service members by branch in 2014: army 23.6%, navy 19%, air force 16.2%, marines 11% Terminal Lancing is bad enough in a lot of MOS' to explain why that would happen, but I am surprised to learn that Islanders/Filipinos aren't a larger part of the Navy and Marines. 07ish at Pendleton looked like downtown Manila some days. Also, another odd experience I had was most black dudes I know from my time were all very vocal about being 4 years and out from day one, since they seemed smart enough to just be there for the GI Bill
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May 2, 2017 18:54
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I think other ethnic groups are simply smart enough to not buy into the "go kill people for the USA and jesus" rhetoric. As booblord said its probably because the older folks in those communities remember Vietnam and know its all bullshit.
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May 2, 2017 20:24
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So what you're telling me is white people are dumb?
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May 2, 2017 21:12
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Force de Fappe posted:So what you're telling me is white people are dumb? That or more blood thirsty, either way, we're cool with it
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May 2, 2017 21:15
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Reverand maynard posted:I think other ethnic groups are simply smart enough to not buy into the "go kill people for the USA and jesus" rhetoric. As booblord said its probably because the older folks in those communities remember Vietnam and know its all bullshit. something like 12% of the military was black, but they made up 25% of combat arms. translated into about 25% of casualties being black during the opening years. there was justifiably a lot of criticism from civil rights leaders, and the pentagon instituted several reforms that brought it down to 13% of casualties were black by 67. by the end of the war it was below 10%. all told, blacks made up 12.5% of vietnam casualties. even though it was corrected, its pretty understandable that the early years fuckery would leave a lot of bad memories in the black community. couple that with all the civil rights upheaval and lovely treatment of blacks in general, its easy to see why they werent crazy about dying in some white mans war
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May 2, 2017 21:37
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No soul brotha, too beacoup
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May 2, 2017 21:44
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Only black marine I've ever met was a 5'3 manlet who freely admitted seeking out a personnel MOS just for the abuse potential. So yeah, enlisting smarter not harder.
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May 2, 2017 21:45
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Force de Fappe posted:So what you're telling me is enlisted people are dumb?
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May 2, 2017 21:45
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"There is a reason why we have a swim test." My infantry company of 200 something in basic had like 10 black people. Out of the 150ish people in my RIP class when we did the swim test one white guy failed on the first time and made it on the 2nd. About half of the black guys failed on the first time with a little more than half of them making on the 2nd try. To be fair though, swimming in fatigues and boots can be decently difficult if you're not used to swimming. In regiment we were probably 10% black, 20-30% hispanic, 5ish% asian, with the rest being white in the companies I was with. My dad told me that combat arms was almost entirely black and hispanic in Vietnam and that white guys were the minority.
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May 3, 2017 00:11
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Proud Christian Mom posted:I think that's returning from Eagle Claw Oof. Nobody in that picture is feeling good about things.
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May 3, 2017 02:02
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subterfudge posted:My dad told me that combat arms was almost entirely black and hispanic in Vietnam and that white guys were the minority. there is no way this is true.  https://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics.html
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May 3, 2017 02:33
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drat, I didn't know it leaned that heavy towards white.
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May 3, 2017 02:56
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subterfudge posted:drat, I didn't know it leaned that heavy towards white. Well you see, the United States has always been a christian nation...
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May 3, 2017 03:30
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bear in mind white hispanics are included in that white category, dod doesnt break them out in their numbers usually. dunno what the gently caress hispanic one race is
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May 3, 2017 03:31
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Hot takes on hot takes! Can't wait
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May 3, 2017 03:31
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Zeris posted:Hot takes on hot takes! Can't wait only one shitposting is kawasaki, and its totally in keeping with his cunty style 
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May 3, 2017 03:34
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I meant regarding that vietnam casualties picture, whether or fake or true, is going to get used for all of the wrong reasons by both sides who will then blow up at each others' blow ups
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May 3, 2017 03:37
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i snipped it from archives.gov not stormfront.kkk.
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May 3, 2017 04:04
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i think its probably only earth shattering to computer janitors that combat arms units are overwhelmingly white guys. i also dont think the 'black dudes join to learn a craft/skill' or 'the experience of black men in vietnam led the following 3 generations to avoid combat arms jobs' are very good explanations. i'm not saying this in some crypto-racist way, i just think there has to be more nuance to it than that.
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May 3, 2017 04:09
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I thought there were a few high ranking black SEALS, but it's possible he's become the token black guy in all the publicity photos
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May 3, 2017 04:11
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Intel is 99% black dudes, and big buff ones too
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May 3, 2017 04:13
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Zeris posted:I meant regarding that vietnam casualties picture, whether or fake or true, is going to get used for all of the wrong reasons by both sides who will then blow up at each others' blow ups Both sides of what? Seems like the absence of black dudes in SF is a thing? There were very rarely black nukes too. I think our class had 5 out of 300 people or so which was pretty light. That our crew had two black nukes was pretty atypical as far as I'm aware too Edit: I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with either recruitment rates from black majority urban areas or broader economic characteristics. I met way more people from the country side than major cities while I was in.
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May 3, 2017 04:35
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What vietnam pic do you think I am reacting to?
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May 3, 2017 05:02
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The one massively buck negro posted?
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May 3, 2017 05:10
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Nevermind, I'm retarded
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May 3, 2017 05:13
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Both sides of what? Seems like the absence of black dudes in SF is a thing? There were very rarely black nukes too. I think our class had 5 out of 300 people or so which was pretty light. That our crew had two black nukes was pretty atypical as far as I'm aware too On my entire boat we had 7 black guys. a striker, an E-4 IC, a cook E-4 MS, 1 E-7 ICC, E-4 YM, E-7 YMC, and Lead ELT was an E-6. That is out of about 120-130 total crew. Black guys just didn't go for subs I think. Too smart for that dumb bullshit.
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May 3, 2017 08:40
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Zeris posted:Nevermind, I'm retarded Is that still a minority in the military too?
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May 3, 2017 09:35
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subterfudge posted:In regiment we were probably 10% black, 20-30% hispanic, 5ish% asian, with the rest being white in the companies I was with. Are you counting E co(support) on there? Before e co got stood up, I could probably count the number of black dudes in the whole battalion on one hand.
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May 3, 2017 09:54
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To continue the anecdotal evidence, when I was in the Infantry we had more Pacific Islanders than we did Black guys in my company. We had a lot of Hispanic guys though, probably 15-20%. When I was Chemical my Platoon was 50% black. I think in my out of 26 Soldiers, 3 were white, and 2 of those white dudes were Eastern European. I'm in PSYOP now, which is SOF but obviously not combat arms, and the numbers are similar to Infantry. My Detachment had 3 Asian guys and one black dude. I have no idea why this is, just what I saw/remember. As far as swimming is concerned. My wife is 1st generation American of Jamaican decent and didn't know how to swim until she was in her mid twenties when I made her learn. I don't think any of her family knows how to swim either. It was crazy to me when I found that out because some of my earliest memories are from the pool.
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May 3, 2017 10:00
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ded posted:On my entire boat we had 7 black guys. a striker, an E-4 IC, a cook E-4 MS, 1 E-7 ICC, E-4 YM, E-7 YMC, and Lead ELT was an E-6. That is out of about 120-130 total crew. I beg to differ!  
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May 3, 2017 13:05
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Slim Pickens posted:Are you counting E co(support) on there? Before e co got stood up, I could probably count the number of black dudes in the whole battalion on one hand. I bumped the number up a little bit to include E co. We even had two black 1SGs in batt at one point when I was there. At A co and D co you usually had about 5ish black guys per company. My first platoon had 2 black guys.
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