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Spudd
Nov 27, 2007

Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

Ciaphas posted:

When do you all prefer Gul'dan's Q build over E? E just generally seems safer and more effective in the long run, long as you get it stacked up in a reasonable timeframe. Chat suggested the spell armor was as good a reason for Q build as any?

If I end up in a QM where the enemy side has no healers I'll go Corruption because hey good luck pushing or fighting into all that DoT damage. If they have a healer then I go Q build.

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Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Kai Tave posted:

Li-Ming vs. Chromie is a heck of a fight.

As someone on the Chromie side of this all the time, it's so fun. Trying to out-think her multiple steps ahead, etc.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Oh man, me and two of my friends had a string of some pretty bad games with Lucios going after lanes by themselves and Novas just standing there shooting and never stealthing or anything. We did one final game for the night, and we all went our A-games. So I went back to my roots with my boy Gazlowe. And usually I take the graviton bomb talent but there was no one on the team to pair it with so my friends suggested I do the buzz saw arms one. MMM MMM MMMMMMM. That was some GOOD poo poo



:discourse:

Probably one of the best Gazlowe games I've had in a while. Also earlier in the night I had a game where I just kept getting WRECKED by this Valeera on another character. Like to the point where I'm pretty sure she was just focusing me everytime for whatever reason and I couldn't do anything about it. This game though, their Valeera couldn't do poo poo to me and it felt great buzzsawing her stupid face off repeatedly. Also it was Infnernal Shrines so there was just a constant barrage of turrets going at their team and they couldn't even touch the points.

Also it makes me want to always do the buzzsaw hands ult even though the graviton bomb is suggested way more cause man is that poo poo fun

Midnightghoul
Oct 1, 2003

COME ON DON'T BE SCURRED

Kai Tave posted:

Is there any place to read more info on these reworks? It's actually one of the more interesting bits of HotS to me how Blizzard will occasionally go back and do more than just nerf/buff a hero but make significant changes to talents, traits, and playstyle.

I think that's pretty much all they've said on the subject of those two, just mentioned that those two are receiving work during the past couple Q&As.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Macaluso posted:

Oh man, me and two of my friends had a string of some pretty bad games with Lucios going after lanes by themselves and Novas just standing there shooting and never stealthing or anything. We did one final game for the night, and we all went our A-games. So I went back to my roots with my boy Gazlowe. And usually I take the graviton bomb talent but there was no one on the team to pair it with so my friends suggested I do the buzz saw arms one. MMM MMM MMMMMMM. That was some GOOD poo poo



:discourse:

Probably one of the best Gazlowe games I've had in a while. Also earlier in the night I had a game where I just kept getting WRECKED by this Valeera on another character. Like to the point where I'm pretty sure she was just focusing me everytime for whatever reason and I couldn't do anything about it. This game though, their Valeera couldn't do poo poo to me and it felt great buzzsawing her stupid face off repeatedly. Also it was Infnernal Shrines so there was just a constant barrage of turrets going at their team and they couldn't even touch the points.

Also it makes me want to always do the buzzsaw hands ult even though the graviton bomb is suggested way more cause man is that poo poo fun

Both of Gazlowe's ults seem equally, if contextually, useful. Robo-Goblin is good for maps where you can get a lot of utility out of taking merc camps (and Gazlowe's already pretty good at this but Robo-Goblin makes him even better), objectives based around killing things (like Garden of Terror or Haunted Mines), or like you've noted if there just isn't a lot to combo it with on your own team.

Eraflure
Oct 12, 2012


Robogoblin is good for murdering everything with 600 dmg punches and huge armor values. Very few melee heroes can keep up with him at 20.

YolkaEd
Dec 26, 2013

Pop-o-Matic Trouble posted:

Did they remove Azmodan's demon dunk damage bonus based on range talent? The chaos slam build was great.

They didn't remove it, they just changed how it works entirely. Probably because everyone insisted on taking the stack-building talent instead.

Sieging Wrath these days is pretty neat, though; it gets you a reliable damage increase for hitting heroes, and hitting enough gives you a massive range increase. Though you mainly take it for actual push-builds instead of dunk-builds these days.

GenericOverusedName
Nov 24, 2009

KUVA TEAM EPIC
Taste For Blood can get higher if you can manage to last-hit minions with the orb. But that requires team coordination and poo poo so it'll never happen.

Orthodox Rabbit
Jun 2, 2006

This game is perfect for empty-headed dunces that don't like to think much!! Of course, I'm a genius... I wonder why I'm so good at it?!
Gazlowe's power spike at 20 when you take upgraded robo-goblin never fails to catch a few people off guard in the next team fight when you murder them and steal their stereos.

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!
i didnt realize that silenced players cant reply back to whispers

this has made me mock them after i win :(

Relin fucked around with this message at 14:04 on May 2, 2017

Poultron
May 26, 2006

It doesn't make me happy if you call me cute, you bastard!
Just had to fight a 5 stack with all-randoms in QM

They had all supports

Really fun matchmaking there, Blizz

Dugong
Mar 18, 2013

I don't know what to do,
I'm going to lose my mind

Is it too late for me to get the week 1 rewards?

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010

Dugong posted:

Is it too late for me to get the week 1 rewards?

You can complete them anytime in the coming month. You actually must complete them to get the current rewards. So during week 4 you must complete weeks 1-3 (if you haven't done so already) before you can get the week 4 reward.

HelixFox
Dec 20, 2004

Heed the words of this ancient spirit.

GenericOverusedName posted:

Taste For Blood can get higher if you can manage to last-hit minions with the orb. But that requires team coordination and poo poo so it'll never happen.

Even with team coordination it's not worth the effort most of the time. You still end up with respectable damage dunks with Sieging Wrath, plus the range increase is very good, and you actually spend the game helping your team instead of playing a minigame.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Lemon-Lime posted:

Ugh, really? I hope all they're doing is baking Caduceus 2.0 into her trait somehow, because she's completely fine the way she is.

The only thing Morales needs is some better contouring on dat thick rear end.

Musluk
May 23, 2011



exquisite tea posted:

The only thing Morales needs is some better contouring on dat thick rear end.

And a proper sitting animation on the vulture mounts.

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

I tried a heavy defense build for Artanis last night and now I don't understand why anyone would ever play him differently. Though now I have to decide if I want to keep playing him enough to drop half my gold on him.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010

IcePhoenix posted:

I tried a heavy defense build for Artanis last night and now I don't understand why anyone would ever play him differently. Though now I have to decide if I want to keep playing him enough to drop half my gold on him.

Almost all his talent tiers are all defensive or all offensive, there usually isn't a choice between doing more damage vs taking less. Except at 20, always take the shield cooldown at 20 so you can become a living god. Also amateur opponent at level 1 is really, really, good on maps with bosses like BoE.

Hail Mr. Satan!
Oct 3, 2009

by zen death robot

IcePhoenix posted:

I tried a heavy defense build for Artanis last night and now I don't understand why anyone would ever play him differently. Though now I have to decide if I want to keep playing him enough to drop half my gold on him.

He's really good, you should buy him.

Also forge his red samurai skin because it owns.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

Also [s]forge[/a] buy 100 loot boxes to luck out for his red samurai skin because it owns.

Always be gambling

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Gonna go to the local blacksmith and have them spend with currency me up a new sword

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

He's really good, you should buy him.

Also forge his red samurai skin because it owns.

I actually already have it from I think my 2.0 conversion packs. Or at least it's a samurai skin, maybe it's orange instead of red. It's pretty cool either way combined with my Nimbus Cloud.

Hail Mr. Satan!
Oct 3, 2009

by zen death robot
I spent way too much money on this game prior to 2.0 so it feels like half my legendary drops are just "400 shards!"

Zaodai
May 23, 2009

Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.


frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

I spent way too much money on this game prior to 2.0 so it feels like half my legendary drops are just "400 shards!"

Literally all of my Legendary drops have been 400 shards. And all of my free heroes have been shards. On the plus side, it let me pick up a couple of the cheap 100 shard skins without feeling like I'm wasting anything. So I got a skin I liked for Gul'Steve and one for Varian where he has a bitchin' hat, and I still have like 1400 shards or something.

[EDIT] And the only money I've spent prior to 2.0 was 1 skin for Mauradin and that initial newbie bundle of champs you could get cheap way back when.

Zaodai fucked around with this message at 16:08 on May 2, 2017

Luminous Cow
Nov 2, 2007

Well you know there should be no law
on people that want to smoke a little dope.
Well you know it's good for your head
And it relax your body don't you know.

:420:

Zaodai posted:

Literally all of my Legendary drops have been 400 shards. And all of my free heroes have been shards. On the plus side, it let me pick up a couple of the cheap 100 shard skins without feeling like I'm wasting anything. So I got a skin I liked for Gul'Steve and one for Varian where he has a bitchin' hat, and I still have like 1400 shards or something.

[EDIT] And the only money I've spent prior to 2.0 was 1 skin for Mauradin and that initial newbie bundle of champs you could get cheap way back when.

I've gotten three heroes for free because I'm such a cheap bastard. And every skin is new to me, because gently caress the old pricing model.

They did get me to spend for that sweet celestial mount though.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



How long is the celestial mount available?

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Musluk posted:

And a proper sitting animation on the vulture mounts.

It's honestly pretty funny to see Morales stuck in a t-pose because her armguards are so huge.

Shadowlyger
Nov 5, 2009

ElvUI super fan at your service!

Ask me any and all questions about UI customization via PM

exquisite tea posted:

It's honestly pretty funny to see Morales stuck in a t-pose because her armguards are so huge.

There's a reason we have the Medivac instead of the Medivulture. :v:

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

exquisite tea posted:

It's honestly pretty funny to see Morales stuck in a t-pose because her armguards are so huge.

She reminds me of the narrator's little brother in "A Christmas Story."

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
So I've played a fairly ridiculous number of games as Valeera.

I've been going Vigor->Relentless->Mutilate->Smoke->Elusiveness->Seal Fate->Cold Blood (RIP)/Nightslayer.

I had no idea that the go to build is based around maximising Ambush damage and utility, I would have thought Cheap shot was just way too good not to open with.

Hail Mr. Satan!
Oct 3, 2009

by zen death robot
How does it feel being an unstoppable god slaying all in your path

Holyshoot
May 6, 2010
Are these good stats for maraudin? I feel like my damage taken might be a bit low? It's 11 games QM and then one unranked draft.

Hail Mr. Satan!
Oct 3, 2009

by zen death robot
yeah dawg 91.7 percent is a real good win rate

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

Holyshoot posted:

Are these good stats for maraudin? I feel like my damage taken might be a bit low? It's 11 games QM and then one unranked draft.



You won the majority of your games so, uh, you did okay? Stats in this game are useless in a vacuum. What was your team comp, what was the enemy team comp, was the opposing team avoiding attacking you in favor of your backline, was your team bad at positioning, so on and so forth.

You won most of your games and you didn't die very often. So I'd say you did pretty well.

Kashuno
Oct 9, 2012

Where the hell is my SWORD?
Grimey Drawer
Actually, those stats are trash OP play a stealth hero if you actually wanna be good. Sorry.

Sjonkel
Jan 31, 2012
Downloaded this after not playing since probably beta. Having surprisingly amounts of fun so far!

I have 5 heroes, so I'm guessing I should go for the flex bundle? Normally I prefer support characters in these types of games, but having a bit of everything might not be a bad idea either.

Also, will goons on discord actually play with a complete noob like me? Would be nice to get those 5 games needed for the weekly quests.

Hail Mr. Satan!
Oct 3, 2009

by zen death robot

Sjonkel posted:

Downloaded this after not playing since probably beta. Having surprisingly amounts of fun so far!

I have 5 heroes, so I'm guessing I should go for the flex bundle? Normally I prefer support characters in these types of games, but having a bit of everything might not be a bad idea either.

Also, will goons on discord actually play with a complete noob like me? Would be nice to get those 5 games needed for the weekly quests.

If you like support, I'd go Support and Specialist bundle. Specialist is kind of a catch-all word for anything that doesn't fit the other 3 words, and there's a TON of variety among them

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



Sjonkel posted:

I have 5 heroes, so I'm guessing I should go for the flex bundle? Normally I prefer support characters in these types of games, but having a bit of everything might not be a bad idea either.

Gold bundle values, assuming you have nothing to start with:

Assassin: 145000
Tank: 141000
Support: 131000
Flex: 123000

Support bundle has great non-support heroes too: dehaka is a global-pressure tank, ETC makes plays especially at low MMR, Johanna is babby's first unkillable tank, Muradin is babby's second, Zarya is another great tank/support.

If you want to get a non-support bundle, these are the cheap but good supports:
Malf 2,000 gold - fits in most teams
Uther - great CC and just got buffs
Li Li - when they have AA. Can easily replace an assassin or tank if you want to double heal.

Sjonkel posted:

Also, will goons on discord actually play with a complete noob like me? Would be nice to get those 5 games needed for the weekly quests.

Absolutely. Also /join SAGoons in-game channel.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


exquisite tea posted:

The only thing Morales needs is some better contouring on dat thick rear end.

morales is thicc bae and my wife commissioned a digital artist to make me a shimeji (desktop buddy) morales for me for Christmas

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Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Got one of those shogun skins for Artanis out of a regular loot chest hell yeah :toot:

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