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axeil posted:Jesus this one was depressing. Even when I was a kid K-Mart seemed tired and sad. How did it take this long for them to start imploding? Sears buying the chain kept it afloat long past its expiration date. If their CEO hadn't run Sears into the ground with his Ayn Rand worship K-Mart probably would still be limping along.
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Have you found the secret floor for the very very rich yet? Most of those high end vertical malls have one.
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There are destination malls, like the Mall of America or the shops at the various casinos in Las Vegas. I even remember one big one in Berlin we went to because it was one of those skyscraper ones.
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glowing-fish posted:Like the only thing that could really drive business out of Denny's is if the Ventrue and Toreador engage in a civil war. I know this is a few pages back, but I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate this. (Malkavian 4 lyfe) Anyway, I grew up in rural central Ohio, a stone's throw from both Cleveland and Akron. As a kid and early teenager, I hung out at Rolling Acres Mall. This video's kind of a bummer, but it's germane to the conversation.
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glowing-fish posted:What is the difference? Which one is Denny's? lmao
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BrandorKP posted:Have you found the secret floor for the very very rich yet? Most of those high end vertical malls have one. The hole that sears left in our mall was filled 100% with high end apparel and jewelry I'll never ever ever enter
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So apparently now J.Crew is facing bankruptcy too. Doesn't matter how hipster or popular your store is or how big of a hand you may have had in revitalizing modern menswear it's all kinds of hosed everywhere. I'm really starting to wonder how this is going to affect fashion in the future...A lot of people are going to grow up without being able to go into a store and try on clothing to make sure they like it...or it fits..or looks good...hmmm. And all these people are going to have less and less money.
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:So apparently now J.Crew is facing bankruptcy too. Lol J. Crew isn't hipster. What is it about this specific word that's so slippery for goons? J. Crew is about the most establishment brand possible. Even when hipsters were a thing, which they haven't been for over ten years, their deal was thrift store clothes, not a brand that was literally cited in The Preppy Handbook. But I wander about the fashion future too. Being able to try on clothes is a really important part of dressing well. Affordable clothing is getting bad in ways that seem to be permanent, like how all women's shirts are now so sheer you have to layer three or four on to be work-appropriate, and how cuts are ultra-simplified, with huge arm-holes and boxy torsos, because fit models cost money and it's faster to cut a straight line than a curved one.
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Well a lot of the online stores with custom tailoring or even off the shelf stuff have detailed guides on how to measure yourself for a good fit. I've found I actually get a much better fit that way than going to the store and buying something in a size that's either too big or small because what I really need is something between a medium and a large with slightly longer arms.
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fishmech posted:As they mention in the article though, they've been doing a lot of expansion into urban area which has to be costing them a lot to start up. When I moved to Boston in 2015, there was only one Target store in the city, and that was in a traditional big box strip mall. They've since brought in two stores of modified design, one inside a new office building on multiple floors and another on the commercial strip of traditional city stores near Boston University. They're also building several more stores of similar designs in dense areas of Cambridge and Somerville. Necro this comment. Target found out how hard it is to push into urban centers. I present the target husk. A partially built multi-leveled target that violated city laws regarding heights that the city council, in typical local government incompetencey, ignored to expedite the project. "Alleged" NIMBY group sued the city and target to stop the project. This worked because "local stupidity" was so profound not even a judge couldn't even wave away (the area is only zoned for 35 feet, the target is 74 total). Target now has to fork out about a million+ to build child-day care for the employees of the Target. Not too shabby imo. As of May 1, 2017 it still looks like this.  The loving thing broke ground in 2012. A timeline.
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moron izzard posted:The hole that sears left in our mall was filled 100% with high end apparel and jewelry I'll never ever ever enter No you're missing an opportunity. The first time I found out about them was in Honolulu. I was reading about them and was close enough to walk to one. I had half a day off and walked down from diamond head to waikiki. To get to the floor inside the mall I had take a convoluted path up a couple escalators across, down and then back up again. It was pretty empty of people. Most of the stores were very sparse. I remember one store had three purses on the walls of an otherwise white room, clerk just standing looking professional. Eventually I attracted a security tail. I was wearing khaki shorts, boots, and a pit sweated t-shirt, scruffy bushey beard looking vaguely like zach galifianakis, I'd walked a pretty long way before getting there. I smelt a bit frankly. Eventually I got bored of disturbing the exclusivity of the place and had enough voyeurism. The exclusivity is really what they are selling.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Lol J. Crew isn't hipster. What is it about this specific word that's so slippery for goons?
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BrandorKP posted:No you're missing an opportunity. The first time I found out about them was in Honolulu. I was reading about them and was close enough to walk to one. I had half a day off and walked down from diamond head to waikiki. To get to the floor inside the mall I had take a convoluted path up a couple escalators across, down and then back up again. It was pretty empty of people. Most of the stores were very sparse. I remember one store had three purses on the walls of an otherwise white room, clerk just standing looking professional. Eventually I attracted a security tail. I was wearing khaki shorts, boots, and a pit sweated t-shirt, scruffy bushey beard looking vaguely like zach galifianakis, I'd walked a pretty long way before getting there. I smelt a bit frankly. Eventually I got bored of disturbing the exclusivity of the place and had enough voyeurism. The exclusivity is really what they are selling. Wait what? Are you making that up? What search terms should I use to google that, because I'm not turning up anything.
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I refuse to believe that mall security in Hawaii gave a poo poo about a scruffy guy in a tshirt.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:2 of the 3 anchor stores in Granite Run, including the Boscov's, are still up and running, and the whole thing is the site of a many millions of dollars public/private business venture under construction right this second. Tell her not to be sad! CroatianAlzheimers posted:Anyway, I grew up in rural central Ohio, a stone's throw from both Cleveland and Akron. As a kid and early teenager, I hung out at Rolling Acres Mall. This video's kind of a bummer, but it's germane to the conversation. CA, your experience surprises me because growing up in a semi-rural Virginia county, hanging out at the mall wasn't a day-after-day experience. I went there to shop, I hung out at the arcade occasionally. But IME when you and your friends are spread out over a county area, getting together and driving to a mall that's 40 minutes from your house isn't something that just happens organically. You see people doing it on TV but it's not really a thing that you do because you don't have the time and gas money to do it frequently.
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incoherent posted:Necro this comment. Target found out how hard it is to push into urban centers. I present the target husk. A partially built multi-leveled target that violated city laws regarding heights that the city council, in typical local government incompetencey, ignored to expedite the project. "Alleged" NIMBY group sued the city and target to stop the project. This worked because "local stupidity" was so profound not even a judge couldn't even wave away (the area is only zoned for 35 feet, the target is 74 total). Why is the area zoned for the buildings to be so low? It seems bizarre. The first "CityTarget" here is the bottom 4 floors of a much taller building.
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Halloween Jack posted:CA, your experience surprises me because growing up in a semi-rural Virginia county, hanging out at the mall wasn't a day-after-day experience. I went there to shop, I hung out at the arcade occasionally. But IME when you and your friends are spread out over a county area, getting together and driving to a mall that's 40 minutes from your house isn't something that just happens organically. You see people doing it on TV but it's not really a thing that you do because you don't have the time and gas money to do it frequently. Eh, I guess "hung out" is a strong term for it. It was more like on a Saturday or Sunday my friends an I would go to RA and loiter, watch a movie, play in the arcade, and browse book/toy stores and this place that sold, like, swords and ninja stars and pewter dragons and Led Zeppelin posters and poo poo like that. We'd do it two or three times a month. For us (hilariously/sadly enough), it was very urbane/cosmopolitan to go to the mall. We pretty much grew out of it by my senior year as we spent more time playing RPGs/moping around the college trying to look cool.
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BrandorKP posted:No you're missing an opportunity. The first time I found out about them was in Honolulu. I was reading about them and was close enough to walk to one. I had half a day off and walked down from diamond head to waikiki. To get to the floor inside the mall I had take a convoluted path up a couple escalators across, down and then back up again. It was pretty empty of people. Most of the stores were very sparse. I remember one store had three purses on the walls of an otherwise white room, clerk just standing looking professional. Eventually I attracted a security tail. I was wearing khaki shorts, boots, and a pit sweated t-shirt, scruffy bushey beard looking vaguely like zach galifianakis, I'd walked a pretty long way before getting there. I smelt a bit frankly. Eventually I got bored of disturbing the exclusivity of the place and had enough voyeurism. The exclusivity is really what they are selling. I am guessing these are mostly in city center, multifloor, urban malls? I am thinking it would be pretty hard to hide an entire floor of a typical suburban two story mall. As well as not really having a reason to: its not like Cinnabon and the Hallmark store want to shield themselves from the masses who will threaten the aspirational nature of their brands.
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I don't think this has been specifically addressed in this thread, but what do people think of the changes in second hand retail in the 1990s and 2000s? Because those were the years that second hard stores became "Big Boxified". When I was a kid, in the 1980s, second hand stores were basically big garage sales, with really low prices but bad displays and selection. Then, over about 20 years, most of them (especially Goodwill) made it so their stores looked like a Target, and also added a bunch of new merchandise. Prices went up, but it was mostly worth it. (I don't know if this is true across the country, it is true in Oregon and Washington though) There are still some smaller second hand stores where you can still get a pair of pants for under a dollar, but at most Goodwills, you are paying 3-5 dollars for a t-shirt and 8-12 dollars for a pair of pants. Housewares, books, electronics, etc. are all similarly going up, while also being better quality. How much do you think this changes the retail landscape in general, and also how healthy are chains like Goodwill doing? I've never been in a Goodwill that wasn't busy.
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glowing-fish posted:I am guessing these are mostly in city center, multifloor, urban malls? I am thinking it would be pretty hard to hide an entire floor of a typical suburban two story mall. As well as not really having a reason to: its not like Cinnabon and the Hallmark store want to shield themselves from the masses who will threaten the aspirational nature of their brands. Grand Prize Winner posted:Wait what? Are you making that up? What search terms should I use to google that, because I'm not turning up anything. Y'all are falling hard for like, the world's most obvious troll. Do you actually think there are hidden "rich people only" floors?
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WampaLord posted:Y'all are falling hard for like, the world's most obvious troll. He's phrasing it sensationally but yes, skyscraper malls in a few expensive cities do have a concierge floor you can only get to from the VIP parking elevators. It's not like, separate stores or anything, it's just a nice lounge where you can sit and drink and have your purchases brought up to you from the rest of the mall, or where they'll hold your expensive poo poo while you're shopping.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:He's phrasing it sensationally but yes, skyscraper malls in a few expensive cities do have a concierge floor you can only get to from the VIP parking elevators. It's not like, separate stores or anything, it's just a nice lounge where you can sit and drink and have your purchases brought up to you from the rest of the mall, or where they'll hold your expensive poo poo while you're shopping. Yea I'm talking about the "3 purses on a blank wall" fake store bullshit.
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glowing-fish posted:I made that term up because I had a headache and was posting in a hurry. But yes, its probably a good term. "Social Mall", as opposed to the mall where people go to buy new faucets and poo poo. Whatup Chile goon. You should check out the feria on Tobalaba past Bilbao metro station on Saturday. Better and cheaper than Jumbo for veg and cheese. Fish too if you are feeling really brave.
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WampaLord posted:Y'all are falling hard for like, the world's most obvious troll. I was thinking something more like Lloyd Center in Portland, where there are two floors of shopping and the third floor is medical and professional offices. Its not exactly hidden, but the third floor is not a place most mall visitors go.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Wait what? Are you making that up? What search terms should I use to google that, because I'm not turning up anything. Nah it's a thing but you're probably not going to find much. That's part of the point. You're supposed to know somebody who tells you about it, then you have to actually tracks these places down. It's not all hidden in multistory malls sometimes it's also store fronts for single luxury stores that are just hidden in odd places. Making one work for it, or having ones assistants work for it is a barrier to keep the rest of us out. Not one I've been to but this is an example from a secret travel site that describes well how it works: "Despite Apartment's location smack-bang in the middle of tourist-magnet Mitte, it's a pretty good bet that few Berlin visitors ever drop by for a casual browse. Simply because at street level there's rarely anything to see, with the apparently abandoned store resembling a glaringly unoccupied rising-rents casualty. To access the retail area itself you'll need to descend the spiral staircase in the corner of the ground floor. Once underground, you'll find a range of designer labels and upmarket accessories displayed in a moodily-lit, atmospheric space." A portion of the luxury segment can be like this, finding the place is part of the "experience". They have varying degrees of how hidden they are, but generally the richer the people they are shooting to sell to the more convoluted what you have to do to find the place is. There were a bunch of articles about the luxury market a couple years ago, mostly talking about how a bunch of companies were just giving up on selling things to the rest of us and focusing on the very very rich. That's where I found out about these types of stores. Think I found where to go in hono from a travel site. The restaurant industry has a similar market. But mostly they (restaurants for the very very rich) use price to keep people away. One of Anthony Bourdains books has a section about restaurants in this segment. Exorbitantly priced crap. What's really being sold is that the rest of us are being kept out. withak posted:I refuse to believe that mall security in Hawaii gave a poo poo about a scruffy guy in a tshirt. I am not a particularly interesting story teller. Even talking about telling my wife "I love you" for the first time while having my calls listened to by dutch anarchists? Boring when I tell it.
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BrandorKP posted:A portion of the luxury segment can be like this, finding the place is part of the "experience". They have varying degrees of how hidden they are, but generally the richer the people they are shooting to sell to the more convoluted what you have to do to find the place is. There were a bunch of articles about the luxury market a couple years ago, mostly talking about how a bunch of companies were just giving up on selling things to the rest of us and focusing on the very very rich. That's where I found out about these types of stores. Think I found where to go in hono from a travel site. The restaurant industry has a similar market. But mostly they (restaurants for the very very rich) use price to keep people away. One of Anthony Bourdains books has a section about restaurants in this segment. Exorbitantly priced crap. What's really being sold is that the rest of us are being kept out. This seems counterproductive since the overlap between people who make enough money to buy $8000 tote bags and the "I don't have time for this poo poo" crowd is probably very large.
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The_Franz posted:This seems counterproductive since the overlap between people who make enough money to buy $8000 tote bags and the "I don't have time for this poo poo" crowd is probably very large. At the intersection between rich enough to afford it and nothing better to do you can sell at huge margins with tiny overhead! 
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wateroverfire posted:Whatup Chile goon. You should check out the feria on Tobalaba past Bilbao metro station on Saturday. Better and cheaper than Jumbo for veg and cheese. Fish too if you are feeling really brave. I've seen it. I actually live in Centro now, so I am pretty close to La Vega. The amount of money saved is kind of relative to whether I want to go out shopping at a feria. I mean, if I can save a luka on queso by going to La Vega, that is good, but if I have to use my Saturday afternoon time to do it, its less so, unless I am in the mood for La Vega already. (Sorry goons for interrupting this thread for Chile chat)
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It's not retail but companies will spend a lot to seem exclusive. When I lived in Madrid several of my friends had lists at clubs and were paid 50€/night to show up and be hot. ("Chicas de imagen") I went to one of the fancier clubs in town one night because I could get in free on my friend's list and I got to jump a really long-rear end line. When I got in the place was mainly deserted. My friend told me that nights like that were useful both for laundering money for the Bulgarian mafia and for maintaining the club's reputation for being hard to get into. This was a club that turned away otherwise glamorous-looking women for wearing flats. Epilogue: I went by there last year and they were out of business so...
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Lol J. Crew isn't hipster. What is it about this specific word that's so slippery for goons? J. Crew is about the most establishment brand possible. Even when hipsters were a thing, which they haven't been for over ten years, their deal was thrift store clothes, not a brand that was literally cited in The Preppy Handbook. I always figured hipster was what you get when you throw a teenager into a charity shop and they walk out with whatever fit off the rails. Which is normal for teenagers. Except some people keep doing it into their thirties, along with their school hair gel. Then again I can't remember the last time I bought something that wasn't a replacement black shirt or pair of black trousers so I am the least qualified person alive make that call. It is kind of depressing that places you can go to look at clothes and try them on are on the out, I can't imagine trying to get clothes that fit off the internet. WampaLord posted:Yea I'm talking about the "3 purses on a blank wall" fake store bullshit. Actually I've seen a few shops like that, as well as the department store near me actively refusing to price anything in some of its sections, so you either have to ask or, I assume, are expected not to. I don't know how they stay in business but they do. I've never seen a whole floor of a mall devoted to it but we don't entirely do malls in the UK, I've only been to one that has the American layout. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:41 on May 2, 2017 |
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The_Franz posted:This seems counterproductive since the overlap between people who make enough money to buy $8000 tote bags and the "I don't have time for this poo poo" crowd is probably very large. OwlFancier posted:I always figured hipster was what you get when you throw a teenager into a charity shop and they walk out with whatever fit off the rails. Which is normal for teenagers. Not hipster. Hipster was a specific trend that described a small subset of indie-rock-listening people from roughly 2000-2010. It is not "any young person I don't like." It is not "any young person wearing trendy clothing." It is not "any person I suspect goes to more parties than I do." It was skinny jeans, trucker hats, vintage t-shirts, black acrylic-framed glasses, and novelty facial hair. Elements of that have persisted and spread out into other fashion subcultures, but the thing that was Hipster is dead, and the people who used to be hipsters are in their forties now and they aren't getting invited to parties any more than you are. Cicero's right though, most people who say "hipster" now are doing so because they can't say "fag" anymore.
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OwlFancier posted:Actually I've seen a few shops like that, as well as the department store near me actively refusing to price anything in some of its sections, so you either have to ask or, I assume, are expected not to. Well I mean, there's always that one kind of store that's clearly a baby-sitting project for rich kids since their parents want them to "work" but don't want them doing real jobs. Those sorts of places don't really need to stay profitable or anything.
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It's true that there's the trend of weird beard, skinny jeans, and your granddad's glasses. Though growing up when baggy jeans and t shirts/tracksuit and sports jacket were the height of fashion it takes effort not to view it as a concerted effort to dress bizarrely, a lot of disparate elements that don't seem to have a coherent thematic basis like the fashions I grew up with. Probably part of why it gets overused, the thematic concept continues to escape me even if the trend does not.fishmech posted:Well I mean, there's always that one kind of store that's clearly a baby-sitting project for rich kids since their parents want them to "work" but don't want them doing real jobs. Those sorts of places don't really need to stay profitable or anything. Could be, though a lot of them seem to fold quite often, at least they often don't stay around long. I suppose I should say I don't know who keeps thinking it's a good idea to open them, rather than how they stay in business.
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I was out of the country from 2007 to 2012 and when I came back everyone was bitching about hipsters and because I was like Branden Fraser stepping out of a time capsule without even concern trolling I wasn't able to get a straight answer from anyone about what a hipster was except that they were "fake"/"insincere" but that you could ascribe those motives to pretty much anybody you didn't like. (I wasn't aware of hipsters pre-2007 but I did hear a lot about emos, another label that got pretty nebulous near the end of its life.)
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Cicero posted:Most other derogatory terms for people have become no-nos if you're progressive so people latch onto the few that are still acceptable: hipster, yuppie, techbro, etc.
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OwlFancier posted:It's true that there's the trend of weird beard, skinny jeans, and your granddad's glasses. Though growing up when baggy jeans and t shirts/tracksuit and sports jacket were the height of fashion it takes effort not to view it as a concerted effort to dress bizarrely, a lot of disparate elements that don't seem to have a coherent thematic basis like the fashions I grew up with. Probably part of why it gets overused, the thematic concept continues to escape me even if the trend does not. Men's fashion in the early 2000s had people reclaiming masculinity alongside people rejecting it, and I think everyone's happier now that those two factions have separated. Edit: To return this to relevance to the thread, both of the fashion offshoots of hipsterism are strongly oriented around online shopping. There are soooooo many men's fashion startups doing the lumberjack thing. Tiny Brontosaurus fucked around with this message at 19:15 on May 2, 2017 |
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The_Franz posted:This seems counterproductive since the overlap between people who make enough money to buy $8000 tote bags and the "I don't have time for this poo poo" crowd is probably very large. Listen to this poo poo about $60,000 purses: http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/12/25/460870534/episode-672-bagging-a-birkin
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