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Halloween Jack posted:Can someone explain to me the mindset of someone who is genuinely inspired by Hillary, without being a ghoul who has an obvious financial stake in it? The very thought of it is just so sad. My super old school democrat grandmother legitimately likes Hillary because she feels a parallel between their lives as my grandmother spent most of her life working through the male dominated national hierarchy of the Presbyterian church. She feels that she and Hillary went through many of the same obstacles.
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Halloween Jack posted:Can someone explain to me the mindset of someone who is genuinely inspired by Hillary, without being a ghoul who has an obvious financial stake in it? The very thought of it is just so sad. To continue hijacking this thread because I don't want to work: My sister earnestly believes Hillary was going to save us. She was going to sweep in and implement a good healthcare program, balance the budget, and break the republican party. She was going to use technology to make our lives better, and her extensive experience in politics would get everything done perfectly. My sister lives in DC and, exactly like they say in the podcast, loves rules and loves for everything to be neat and orderly. She's a good person, she just doesn't quite understand that capitalism is the cause of, but not the solution to, many of lifes problems.
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May 2, 2017 21:31
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Halloween Jack posted:Can someone explain to me the mindset of someone who is genuinely inspired by Hillary, without being a ghoul who has an obvious financial stake in it? The very thought of it is just so sad. A lot of the Republican criticism of her during Bill's presidency was incredibly sexist. She either was a frigid lesbian using Bill for power, or a despicable accomplice in his rapes. From a not-so political point of view, her taking all that sexist flak and shrugging it off, is really inspiring to a lot of women who have heard a lot of similar poo poo in their own lives.
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May 2, 2017 21:40
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Maybe if you have never experienced real hardship in your life, and want to maintain the status quo, but you also have a black friend so you can't vote GOP.
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May 2, 2017 21:41
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Halloween Jack posted:Can someone explain to me the mindset of someone who is genuinely inspired by Hillary, without being a ghoul who has an obvious financial stake in it? The very thought of it is just so sad. She never claimed full responsibility for the loss, blames it on Comey and Sexism. And people are just too dumb to know these things. Like they want to talk poo poo about Trump supporters for being stupid, but they are also very stupid.
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May 2, 2017 21:52
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Halloween Jack posted:Can someone explain to me the mindset of someone who is genuinely inspired by Hillary, without being a ghoul who has an obvious financial stake in it? The very thought of it is just so sad. it's largely people for whom the system still works
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May 2, 2017 22:22
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Lol the Harvard Crimson spiked an interview a guy did with Chapo after the show there, he had to publish it on Medium: https://twitter.com/ConcernedMom69/status/859431758546296832 Lots of good stuff in there specifically about some of the stuff that came up here today, how they view irony as a form of care rather than a rejection of it.
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May 2, 2017 22:38
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KICK BAMA KICK posted:Lol the Harvard Crimson spiked an interview a guy did with Chapo after the show there, he had to publish it on Medium: this is really good, got some thoughtful unironic responses on good topics e: wish Amber had been present tho emdash fucked around with this message at 22:50 on May 2, 2017 |
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KICK BAMA KICK posted:Lol the Harvard Crimson spiked an interview a guy did with Chapo after the show there, he had to publish it on Medium: quote:FB: The show wouldn’t work without Will. He has an ability to create a skeleton for the show that’s loose enough that everyone can do their poo poo in, but it’s also defined enough that it’s not just an hour of pointlessness. God drat, I never get tired of Virgil's diarrhea jokes.
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May 2, 2017 22:47
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Sandweed posted:Maybe if you have never experienced real hardship in your life, and want to maintain the status quo, but you also have a black friend so you can't vote GOP. Maintaining the status quo has become a Democratic position. Not all the Rs want Full Fascism Now, sure. But plenty of Ds would like poo poo to stay just how it is now, thank you very much!
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May 2, 2017 22:52
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Holy poo poo I hope they were completely serious about this quote:What about when y’all disagree?
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May 2, 2017 23:02
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emdash posted:this is really good, got some thoughtful unironic responses on good topics This is good Felix posted:There’s nothing loving cool about only talking about matters of life and death, matters of insane wealth, and warfare, and having this clinical disconnect. You don’t give a poo poo. Not giving a poo poo isn’t cool if that’s all you talk about. If you didn’t give a poo poo you’d be doing something cooler than politics. You’d be jet skiing.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Holy poo poo I hope they were completely serious about this If there is a real cost to their ironic approach, this is it, so many dreams shattered in pursuit of a punchline.
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KICK BAMA KICK posted:Lol the Harvard Crimson spiked an interview a guy did with Chapo after the show there, he had to publish it on Medium: Matt Christman posted:mean, the entire Ivy League exists as a perpetuator of privilege, obviously, but also as a perpetuator of the fantasy of meritocracy, which is what justifies the privilege I want to have Matt's babies
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Halloween Jack posted:Can someone explain to me the mindset of someone who is genuinely inspired by Hillary, without being a ghoul who has an obvious financial stake in it? The very thought of it is just so sad. Every single HRC lover I know is a baby boomer woman. They got poo poo on by chauvinistic dickheads, so did Hillary, they tied her success to validation of all the misery they endured. It really honestly crushed my heart to see her lose - in part because some family members took it like a sledgehammer to the heart. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 23:54 on May 2, 2017 |
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May 2, 2017 23:52
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:
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Halloween Jack posted:Can someone explain to me the mindset of someone who is genuinely inspired by Hillary, without being a ghoul who has an obvious financial stake in it? The very thought of it is just so sad. Some people want some progress, but not TOO MUCH progress! Moving the needle too far towards 'good' makes it so that the next person in office with a D next to their name has to move it further to the left!
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May 3, 2017 00:01
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Halloween Jack posted:Does liberal twitter have a podcast? With Friends Like These by the PSA would be what you are looking for.
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Bryter posted:I think the people in that last 0.1% are powerful and wealthy enough to constitute a separate class though. When occupy was in full swing the whole "1%" thing was put under a microscope and there were tons of "well, actually" articles about how there's massive inequality even within that 1% with money (and power) pooled at the top fraction of a percent. quote:mean, the entire Ivy League exists as a perpetuator of privilege, obviously, but also as a perpetuator of the fantasy of meritocracy, which is what justifies the privilege This is the reason why genuinely left candidates like Bernie Sanders have a much better chance of winning than the technocrat hegemony assumes they do; simply moving the main goals of the left away from campus culture and technocracy immediately signal to middle America that leftists are different from the oligarchs that have been driving this country into the ground. It's also why, when the Chapo boys use "retarded" as an insult, it makes me uncomfortable but I don't think they should stop; showing they're uninterested in conforming to politically correct norms immediately signals they aren't beholden to censorship by the ruling class (just to be clear, I am woke and realize George Soros isn't ominously censoring the use of "retard", but I am sympathetic to the fact this stuff can feel like a conspiracy to people who are socioeconomically excluded from conversations about preferred pronouns). Halloween Jack posted:Can someone explain to me the mindset of someone who is genuinely inspired by Hillary, without being a ghoul who has an obvious financial stake in it? The very thought of it is just so sad. snucks fucked around with this message at 00:30 on May 3, 2017 |
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yoober posted:whats the other part because now every racist alt-righter feels empowered (luckily this isn't working out as badly as I thought) and there's been a lot of snap-bad stuff like the Muslim ban and Jeff "hey police, do whatever you want" Sessions in power
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Speaking of Deray's podcast, leftist Black twitter is going to have a field day with this https://twitter.com/thoneycombs/status/859508370218377216
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Hillary is someone who does have an inspiring story when you strip away the self-aggrandizing 'I'm with her' poo poo that happened this election and a lot of America sympathizes with moments like when she literally was told to shut up and bake cookies for america and all. That's MAYBE the most infuriating part of this. As a former retard hillaryman and all I know 100% that her story and all was a pretty major draw, but instead of using that as a way to humanize her better she chose to focus on 'marketing' it in the most stupid, incepid, downright offensive, ways like 'haha she's like your abuela right??? I'M DOWN WITH THE HISPANICS YOU SEE' and that absolutely hilarious Rosa Parks in the H logo that 100% had her at the 'back' of that metaphorical bus. Like, I 100% agree A factor in the election was the decades long 'Hillary Clinton is an evil ice queen bitch who's totally got Bill by the balls like all women want to do to men' bullshit, not THE factor but sure, that was a hurdle she had to deal with. The absolute best I saw her try to get over that was that like hour long special of...some news show...that was basically comparing and contrasting her and Trump's stories. It was just a nice clear 'Hillary had to climb her way up a pretty big hill and her first forays into the mainstream were met with just boldfaced 'uh don't you know your place, sweety????' sexism. Just straight up dudes telling her she wasn't being First Lady right by having opinions. Meanwhile Trump got a 'small' loan of a million from his KKK loving father and went on to have life handed to him at every turn despite constantly, constantly, failing and proving himself to be a complete oaf. These are the people in front of you right now.' That was a really fuckin good thing, and stuff like that does actually inspire people. If she had more of that and less 'I don't want a world where girls are kidnapped and enslaved, I want a world where girls are bold and brave!' robo-bullshit she could have had a near Obama level movement when that gets contrasted with 'local wealthy simpleton thinks we need to nuke china and questions if mexians even feel pain like real humans do to thunderous applause'. Like, even if you want to be all stupid about this and reduce it down to "SHE WAS THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON EVER AND IT WAS STOLEN FROM HER FOR SEEMINGLY NO REASON EXCEPT CONSPIRACIES AND PLOTS RATHER THAN PERSONAL FAILING" the response should be "why the gently caress did she choose to show that in the most cold, impersonal, way possible then?"
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sexpig by night posted:"why the gently caress did she choose to show that in the most cold, impersonal, way possible then?" I didn't read this but why are you tone policing her you sexist pig
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:Speaking of Deray's podcast, leftist Black twitter is going to have a field day with this can't wait to hear their thoughts on DORITOS® Tortilla Chips.
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manyak posted:Im Deray Are you excited for Sally of House Yates the Unburnt's testimony?
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I like the 1% terminology because it brings inequality back into the "national conversation." But unless you're actually talking about class and the means of production, then 1% comes off just as wealth jealousy. What do I care if some guy is in the top percentile of earners. He worked hard, ill work hard, and maybe I'll get there. What we mean though is that there is a class of people whose interests are different than those of the rest of us. Not even different, diametrically opposed. We need to make the case that wealth at the top is "earned" at the expense of everyone else. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-american-airlines-raises-20170427-story.html
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The real con of the American dream is convincing people at the bottom that if they work really really hard someday they'll make it to the top. The lottery and Vegas exists because of this. And so why put restrictions and punish the rich when you, an ordinary person, could become a millionaire overnight? And so you have the Republicans with "well if we just got rid of the moochers and restrictions prosperity will return!" and the Democrats "We need 5 percent more of the CEOs of billion dollar companies to be minorities" is the same bullshit.
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Harvard is a Protector of Free Speech as evidenced by inviting Charles Murray and Martin Shkreli as paid speakers. Harvard is a private organization and is within their right to censor a student calling the university "capitalist" if they want to.
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Forums Terrorist posted:listen to discourse collective It's spelled "The Katie Halper Show"
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manyak posted:Vegas is cool gently caress Off!
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sexpig by night posted:Hillary is someone who does have an inspiring story when you strip away the self-aggrandizing 'I'm with her' poo poo that happened this election and a lot of America sympathizes with moments like when she literally was told to shut up and bake cookies for america and all. this is the black gay hitler argument if she were capable of being obama-level charismatic, she wouldn't be running because she'd have won in 2008.
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sexpig by night posted:Hillary is someone who does have an inspiring story when you strip away the self-aggrandizing 'I'm with her' poo poo that happened this election and a lot of America sympathizes with moments like when she literally was told to shut up and bake cookies for america and all. Are you talking about Frontline's The Choice 2016? That was pretty good.
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The use of retard, autistic, etc makes me a bit uncomfortable too and does sometimes come across as punching down. At the same time, it's their brand (for better or worse), and the transgressiveness of the Dirtbag Left is seen as liberating by some people (and off-putting for others; it does stop me from discussing it with a lot of people for fear they won't appreciate ~doing irony~). I guess it's a matter of whether it's permissible within the "performance space" of the podcast - we know they're sympathetic to those groups despite their language, but an outsider to the podcast clearly might not agree. Of course, I'm a white cis neurotypical male who listens to (and enjoys) Cum Town, so obviously my opinions on this are from someone who's only really been called gay.
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The Narrator posted:The use of retard, autistic, etc makes me a bit uncomfortable too and does sometimes come across as punching down. At the same time, it's their brand (for better or worse), and the transgressiveness of the Dirtbag Left is seen as liberating by some people (and off-putting for others; it does stop me from discussing it with a lot of people for fear they won't appreciate ~doing irony~). I guess it's a matter of whether it's permissible within the "performance space" of the podcast - we know they're sympathetic to those groups despite their language, but an outsider to the podcast clearly might not agree. liberal hyper-pc culture is annoying because it genuinely takes a lot of time to understand and develop ideas about political ideology and the specific implementation of differing philosophies of socialism into public policies and strategies, but any loving moron on twitter with a brain cell and a half can be the bad word police and fart out a trillion words about why they think people shouldn't say retard. I think reactions to their language are entirely overblown exactly because it takes 0 brainpower to create the argument of "word bad"
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theflyingexecutive posted:liberal hyper-pc culture is annoying because it genuinely takes a lot of time to understand and develop ideas about political ideology and the specific implementation of differing philosophies of socialism into public policies and strategies, but any loving moron on twitter with a brain cell and a half can be the bad word police and fart out a trillion words about why they think people shouldn't say retard. so who told you not to say retard on twitter
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sexpig by night posted:Hillary is someone who does have an inspiring story when you strip away the self-aggrandizing 'I'm with her' poo poo that happened this election and a lot of America sympathizes with moments like when she literally was told to shut up and bake cookies for america and all. Hilarys story is inspiring, but her politics where the opposite of inspiring. Since she was running against literal Grimace from Macdonaldland her team thought she could surf on not being Tromp and goodwill from Obamas presidency. The alternative would be to expose her neoliberal lovely politics to the people and lol nobody could be inspired by that. We know now that she could just pull a Trump and boldfaced lied, since nobody who matters would have called her on it later.
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