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Yadoppsi posted:Does anyone know how to make disloyal subjects loyal again. The favorable trade deal isn't cutting it. They were a quarter of my fleet power but now won't help in any wars. Relatively, how is relative power of subjects calculated? If I recall this calculation is totally broken and dumb at the moment.
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Decrepus posted:How many more years until they introduce a Balanced Starts option? It is not fun to start the game with zero resources in your home system. For real. For single player whatever, but multiplayer absolutely needs something like this. A proper empire distribution to avoid crowding in certain areas and huge wide open spaces in others is also needed (I know there's a mod for this, but it absolutely should be in the base game).
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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So I took your advice and built a fleet around Kinetic and wrecked the Unbidden, so the Awakened comes in and gets the last hit on the portal as I'm killing it and gets credit for ending the threat. loving game.
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LegoMan posted:So I took your advice and built a fleet around Kinetic and wrecked the Unbidden, so the Awakened comes in and gets the last hit on the portal as I'm killing it and gets credit for ending the threat. loving game. This happened in my ironman save and I was livid.
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May 3, 2017 01:55
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Does it really matter who gets the credit? Or is there an achievement for it, or what.
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May 3, 2017 02:16
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I wouldn't be too upset, the Unbidden are pretty common now.
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May 3, 2017 02:20
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Strudel Man posted:Does it really matter who gets the credit? Or is there an achievement for it, or what. I believe you get a global diplomatic opinion bonus along with the credit (but it's only +40 and decays at 5 per...year, IIRC - so it's very meh.) Also there's an achievement.
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Good News: Not the Unbidden this game. Bad News: AI Rebellion. I already wrecked the FEs so I should just abandon this game and start over, right?
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May 3, 2017 03:23
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Last time I saw the AI rebellion was before Leviathans, but I thought they were the easiest crisis of all.
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In all my time playing Stellaris I've never seen the AI rebellion.
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TaurusTorus posted:Last time I saw the AI rebellion was before Leviathans, but I thought they were the easiest crisis of all. I've twice seen a message about robbits secretly building a ship, but never beyond that.
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May 3, 2017 04:01
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TaurusTorus posted:Last time I saw the AI rebellion was before Leviathans, but I thought they were the easiest crisis of all. They're not difficult per se, but the Swarm or Unbidden I could probably stomp in about 2 months while the AI Rebellion will on average destroy each spaceport in your empire before you can research the detection project, which is annoying.
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Is there some kind of known bug where, if you're editing difference races before starting a game, the name list menu will just show whatever name list you last selected for some other race rather than the one you currently have selected for the race you're looking at? I'm trying to make an empire of every government type for a big game and find I can't remember what name lists I've already used and it's making it hard to check.
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Was Horizon Signal meant to be patched to prevent gaming it by jumping your science vessel in and out of the wormhole until it hits? Because I don't think it is. My sci ship hit a black hole, jumped out to explore another system, found hostiles so ran straight back into the black hole and the signal event popped up.
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May 3, 2017 04:43
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Korgan posted:Was Horizon Signal meant to be patched to prevent gaming it by jumping your science vessel in and out of the wormhole until it hits? Because I don't think it is. No, I remember people complaining about the event not firing often enough, so it was patched to do the exact opposite of that.
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May 3, 2017 08:48
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The patch to fix migration needs to be faster! It's so game ruining.
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Taear posted:The patch to fix migration needs to be faster! It's so game ruining. At first I thought I didn't get problems with migration, since aliens in my empire migrate with no trouble, but then I notized the way my pops are over-eager to migrate to a new world, even if the new colony is a lot worse. That could be the same bug, or another bug. Anyway, I can understand getting hit with the alien migration bug is incredibly annoying, since I feel the same way every time a pop abandons a building on a perfect Gaia-world for some 70% habitability poo poo heap. (Seriously, over time most of my older worlds, regardless of habitability, start to fill up with robots since I have to replace all the cowards running away. What is up with this?!)
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Demiurge4 posted:Case in point. That is a rare as gently caress asteroid colony FYI. Usually you only get size 7 or 8 asteroids. Alphamod takes a lot of getting used to but once you've played your first game with it most everything clicks. The only things you need to know on a first play through are that it actually enables tall empire building to a point where you can compete with larger empires if you know what you're doing and that it has a gently caress ton of options. A fair number of which are fluff content meant to diversify what sort of empire you're playing and give you more options. Also the asteroid colonization thing wasn't even a part of Alphamod. Unless it got rolled into the main package as of the 1.5 update (I know he said he was sick and tired of trying to keep the main mod and a bajillion supplementary mods updated.) then it's its own thing. Also, yes. The mod creator is a bit nuts. Pretty sure you've gotta be nuts to make a mod of that size though so  .
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Libluini posted:At first I thought I didn't get problems with migration, since aliens in my empire migrate with no trouble, but then I notized the way my pops are over-eager to migrate to a new world, even if the new colony is a lot worse. That could be the same bug, or another bug. Anyway, I can understand getting hit with the alien migration bug is incredibly annoying, since I feel the same way every time a pop abandons a building on a perfect Gaia-world for some 70% habitability poo poo heap. Migrating in-empire is fine. Although you're right about people moving instantly to brand new planets for no real reason. But getting aliens to come to my empire is loving impossible. I managed it on a small planet, weirdly. But no matter what I do nobody's bothered.
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Taear posted:Migrating in-empire is fine. Although you're right about people moving instantly to brand new planets for no real reason. I'm never really looking closely at what happens when I make migration treaties, but I remember in a pre-Utopia game some obnoxious fuckers just flooding my empire. After Utopia I was actually glad nothing like that happened again. Now that I'm thinking about all these complaints about migration not working, I do realize the only time a migration treaty worked after the expansion was with a small empire in the middle of nowhere: They didn't migrate to the couple planets they could, but when I integrated them I found out to my surprise that several of my own pops had migrated to them, weirdly enough. But yeah, overall a bug fix for all this weirdness would be nice.
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Archonex posted:That is a rare as gently caress asteroid colony FYI. Usually you only get size 7 or 8 asteroids.
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Caustic Soda posted:. Sometimes they even have primitives, which is kinda bizarre. For the world is hollow and I have touched the sky.
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I may give Alphamod another try but just to respond to some of the comments based on my playthrough. 1) That asteroid colony is misleading as all hell. I opened my game before I cleared my mods to start fresh and I controlled about a 1/3rd of a 800 star map with only two systems I could find (it's a lot of stars so I might have missed some) that had more than a single asteroid. Now you could replicate that with a lucky roll on another hazardous world so it's not really all that relevant. Honestly since Demiurge had AI tech he could have forgone almost all the other non-mineral buildings (maybe keep the Prioneer farm because that's a planet unique building that generates a critical resource and a couple others I don't recognize so they may be needed) and pumped out a poo poo ton more minerals from that planet using just AI pops. However that screenshot is ignoring all the bullshit spaceport modules, the convoluted building chains that make no sense and you basically need two or three plays just to remember, or the fact that there's half a dozen ways to do one thing that usually amount to just "this building can only be built here, that building there, this building gets you 2 more energy than that building with the same water count but needs to be built at midnight by satanists." Also for Demiurge speciifcally, EXO planetary buildings don't upgrade to the resource capitals, so you won't be able to put a mining capital there. 2) Alphamod doesn't give you the option to play tall, it gives you the option to play wide on a small map footprint. You still need a lot of worlds, it's just you have options to have a lot of worlds in very few systems. Several resources come on planet unique buildings so you need planets just for those resources. You need a poo poo ton of water and depending on your available options you may be next to an ocean plan and be flooded in it, or you may only have one or two natural resources and have to find ice to break down (which requires a planetary unique building slot) or maybe you'll find an arid world that you can fill up with 1 energy/1 water producing farms which means you need another planet to support that one just for generating water. 3) The mod gives you a ton of options for play styles, but the problem is all those play styles are pointless in the game. Whether that's a problem with the game at large or the mod is up for debate, but it's a real issue. For example, and this is more of a game problem, you get a lot of buildings, spaceport modules, and chains devoted to making a utopia like empire based on attracting population via migration. Aside from the fact that migration is just broken at the moment there isn't really a point to doing it because you're not going to cripple another empire by setting up a couple large planets to collect alien pops. And they'll come in smaller amounts without it (again, assuming migration gets fixed). And all the poo poo devoted to that purpose just fills up your building and spaceport menus making it much more annoying to go about your normal business. Edit: Oh yeah, another interesting thing you can do in the mod is exploit natural tile blockers and adjacency bonuses. However every single building devoted to that work is worse than just tearing down the tile blocker and building like normal. In one or two instances it may be useful to get a resource you don't have like biomass if you need it for some other purpose, but you can also do that by tearing down the tile blocker and putting up whatever building generates that resource at a cost you can pay via other means. 4) The mod adds so many techs that you can just get screwed out of entire chains or fairly important options. I was playing a Mechanist race so I was regularly building robotic pops and despite that I never even knew Farming Droids existed until after I had Battleships. They're literally a Tier 1 tech that just never showed up as an option for me, even as I got 3 extra research alternatives over the course of the game. After 130 years I'm still missing two tile blocker techs that I need to fully clear two of my planets. Honestly despite all my gripping I think it could be an amazing mod, but the number of resources need to be toned down and some buildings need to be merged. For example, the separation of ice and water is just so pointless and frustrating. Yes the creator has created a purpose for each to justify the difference, but it seems like the only reason for doing that was to create that justification. Same thing with biomass and just plain food. Could probably make do with just Natural Fuels and not Actinides on top of that. There are like 5 different buildings for generating wealth, one that takes research as maintenance, one that reduces the food output of planet by 20%, one with a high energy cost, etc... Options are great, but that could really be just taken down to one or two. Natural Fuels Converters and Nuclear Fusion Plants are two different chains, despite the fact that it's basically a direct path to upgrade from Natural Fuels Converter through it's chain and then into Nuclear Fusion Plants and into its chain. It would make so much more sense to reduce the time and cost to build those and combine those two buildings into a single long upgrade chain instead of two separate buildings. If you can't afford the Nuclear Fusion Plant extra use of Actinides, just stop the upgrade a that point till you can. Memory is getting a bit more fuzzy here but I think there were like three different Society research specific buildings that generate a resource or particular bonus, one devoted to Ambassadors, one to Unrest/Fortification and Intelligence, and one to Migration and Intelligence. Couldn't that just be combined? Ugh, getting frustrated just thinking about it now. nessin fucked around with this message at 16:27 on May 3, 2017 |
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nessin posted:4) The mod adds so many techs that you can just get screwed out of entire chains or fairly important options. I was playing a Mechanist race so I was regularly building robotic pops and despite that I never even knew Farming Droids existed until after I had Battleships. They're literally a Tier 1 tech that just never showed up as an option for me, even as I got 3 extra research alternatives over the course of the game. After 130 years I'm still missing two tile blocker techs that I need to fully clear two of my planets. I'm going to go ahead and call this a game problem, not a mod problem.
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GunnerJ posted:I'm going to go ahead and call this a game problem, not a mod problem. Eh, I dunno. Sounds like there just needs to be a process that adds weight to earlier techs the later in the tree you go
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The AI is kind of easy to juke sometimes. My current game was kind of stagnated, with me and another empire both controlling about half of the galaxy each and a bunch of smaller independent states have defense pacts going on with the huge empire (who I don't want to fight yet) so I couldn't really expand more or get much more leverage. I take a look at the opinions between states, and find that my nearest neighbor who are protected by the large empire have middling to good relations with the empire, mostly trust on positives and not much negatives. I took a world I had from integrating a vassal completely inside in the large empire's territory and gave it to the neighbor, who gladly accepted such a generous gift. Border friction immediately shot up to -150 between the two and the empire cancelled their defense pact immediately. Cue me dropping on the neighbor like a ton of bricks to plunder a bunch of their planets. 
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GunnerJ posted:I'm going to go ahead and call this a game problem, not a mod problem. It's a both problem. Due to the way the game handles techs, a mod that introduces new techs should take that into account.
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Argas posted:It's a both problem. Due to the way the game handles techs, a mod that introduces new techs should take that into account. 
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I think that's a poor characterization of tile blockers in alphamod, some blockers are non removable and serve to give pretty significant bonuses to adjacent tiles, others enable specific buildings like forestries (which are one of the only ways other than exo colonies to get natural fuels without reducing habitability on your planet) Also a major point is that you don't need to demolish the blocker to get the bonus, meaning that building around blockers is great for per-pop efficiency and early expansion, that you may eventually wish to demolish the blocker and develop the land is not a problem with the idea of giving blockers utility. E: How the hell did I just roll alien pets on my homeworld? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 21:33 on May 3, 2017 |
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Other blockers can vary in adjacency utility a great deal, true, but slamming some Geothermal Plants next to a volcano is crazy good.
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OwlFancier posted:How the hell did I just roll alien pets on my homeworld? Congrats on your dog equivalents. Focus more on the pet part
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Good lord, the End of the Cycle is nigh-impossible to get. 5% chance of the 'pick a patron' event, 50% chance of successful contact, 2% chance of it being the end of the cycle means you only have a 0.05% chance per shroud adventure of getting it - or an average 1,386 attempts over 6,930 in-game years to have a fifty-fifty chance.GlyphGryph posted:Congrats on your dog equivalents. Focus more on the pet part
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Strudel Man posted:Good lord, the End of the Cycle is nigh-impossible to get. 5% chance of the 'pick a patron' event, 50% chance of successful contact, 2% chance of it being the end of the cycle means you only have a 0.05% chance per shroud adventure of getting it - or an average 1,386 attempts over 6,930 in-game years to have a fifty-fifty chance. You do if they're alien dogs.
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Argas posted:You do if they're alien dogs. edit: I think the shroud would feel less frustrating if the unique events just removed their weighting once you've seen them, instead of redirecting to the generic event. Then instead of the generic thing getting more and more common over time, you'd have an increasing chance of seeing the other uniques, at least until you'd gotten them all. After which it would be all generic.
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Strudel Man posted:If they're on your homeworld, they're not alien dogs. You've never seen a Thylacine. 
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Strudel Man posted:If they're on your homeworld, they're not alien dogs. Doesn't mean they're native.
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Has anyone seen the tree/fountain of life anomaly spawn lately? I saw it a few times on release, but I've played Utopia for a while and it hasn't cropped up.
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I Said No posted:The AI is kind of easy to juke sometimes. The AI is super, super easy to bait. Leave some Troop transports in their territory sitting on the system's sun. Have a fleet in the next system, ready to jump. They'll dedicate everything they have to killing the transports. As soon as they enter the system start moving the transports to the area in the system your fleet will jump into.
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Strudel Man posted:Has anyone seen the tree/fountain of life anomaly spawn lately? I saw it a few times on release, but I've played Utopia for a while and it hasn't cropped up. I've seen it my last two post-Utopia games.
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ulmont posted:I've seen it my last two post-Utopia games.
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