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Harrow posted:Don't touch Strength at all. Level Agility and Luck as well. Healing and buff spells don't rely on your Magic stat so your Dex Flynn can still be a good support player when need be. And look forward to the almighty physical/gun skills you'll get towards the end because they own hard. Yeah I'm doing 3 Dex/1 Ag/1 Lu each level up atm. irlZaphod posted:How far did you actually get before? I think I played 4 before any Persona games, or really anything SMT other than Devil Survivor. I think I only got up to the Minotaur boss before. I'm negotiating and fusing as much as I can, I learned that from P5 
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I wish fusion in DeSu Overclocked was somehow slightly less obtuse. Like I feel like I have to use a guide to fuse a demon that isn't worse than the ones I'm putting into it.
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May 3, 2017 15:50
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On that note, I'm playing SMTIV: Apocalypse and I'm wondering if there are diminishing returns that kick in after a while? I'm about level 70 with a little over 200 Mag, 100 Ag, 140ish Lu and I was wondering if I should just start dumping everything into Mag or start spreading out more. The knowledge that there are stat doors in the endgame makes me sorta want to spread my points into Str/Dex just to open them 
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Pablo Gigante posted:Yeah I'm doing 3 Dex/1 Ag/1 Lu each level up atm. Yeah, you're gonna wreck poo poo by like midway through the game. Dex is a really fun and strong build and easily the strongest endgame build, too. Sounds like you have the rest of it under control (negotiation/fusion especially) so you're probably going to have a good time.
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Raxivace posted:I wish fusion in DeSu Overclocked was somehow slightly less obtuse. Like I feel like I have to use a guide to fuse a demon that isn't worse than the ones I'm putting into it. Have you been using the option to fuse by result? I feel like that makes fusions considerably easier when you're working backwards.
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Harrow posted:Yeah, you're gonna wreck poo poo by like midway through the game. Dex is a really fun and strong build and easily the strongest endgame build, too. Cool It's tough so far and I wish negotiation wasn't so RNG based, but I hear the beginning is the hardest part of the game anyway
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May 3, 2017 15:59
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Pablo Gigante posted:Cool The beginning is the hardest by far, yes. If you can get past the first couple bosses you won't really have any trouble finishing the game.
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ChaosArgate posted:Have you been using the option to fuse by result? I feel like that makes fusions considerably easier when you're working backwards. Part of it is that maybe weaker demons get carried a little too much by slight grinding, which I end up doing for Skill Cracking anyways. Like its only Day 6 that I'm dropping from my lineup a Jack Frost and a Pyro Jack that I made way back in the beginning of the game. Raxivace fucked around with this message at 16:05 on May 3, 2017 |
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May 3, 2017 16:02
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Pablo Gigante posted:Cool Always cheat. You're given one free Refuse every conversation. End the negotiation as soon as the option pops up. This will generally increase your odds.
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May 3, 2017 16:06
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On the subject of smt4 when do I get some better dex skills? Still using needle shot. Feels like I'm still using all sorts of really weak poo poo in Ueno
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May 3, 2017 16:12
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Sea Sponge Run posted:On the subject of smt4 when do I get some better dex skills? Still using needle shot. Feels like I'm still using all sorts of really weak poo poo in Ueno I believe all physical skills run off of Dex in vanilla SMT4. Str and Dex are kinda weird in that game because all Str affects is your normal attack command while Dex governs both physical and gun skills. SMT4A rebalances it so that Str does what you'd expect and is the base for phys attacks and gun skills run off the Dex stat, I think.
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May 3, 2017 16:15
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Sea Sponge Run posted:On the subject of smt4 when do I get some better dex skills? Still using needle shot. Feels like I'm still using all sorts of really weak poo poo in Ueno Normal physical skills use Dex as well in SMT4 (which is why Str is so useless), so you're not just limited to gun skills like Needle Shot. (If you already knew that and I just don't remember a physical skill drought then I dunno)
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May 3, 2017 16:16
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Oh I'm big dumb fucker, thanks guys
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May 3, 2017 16:23
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Honestly you'd be forgiven for thinking physical = Strength and gun = Dex, because otherwise Strength is a totally useless stat (and it turns out it is  ). That's exactly how it works in SMT4 Apocalypse, though, which I'd argue probably introduces its own issues (because now a Strength or Dex build only has one damage type available, compared to a Magic build potentially having six, but I guess magic stones can make up for a lot there).
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May 3, 2017 16:24
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Guys, I've been telling you for a while: Gun Mage Make it happen. 
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May 3, 2017 16:33
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I might do that if I don't just go pure mage in SMT4A. The beginning is kinda putting me off, though. I did enjoy the "uh, we can't handle these requests about the end of the world, let's go help this person who can't type do fairy things" part, but I do kinda find the happy-go-lucky attitude off-putting. Like, the forces of Heaven and Hell are about to have a battle in your goddamn front yard, your buddy and mentor got brutally murdered, and the main character can't fuckin' die anymore, but it's cool, we're official hunters now and Flynn-senpai noticed us! And people just casually talking about Merkabah and Lucifer like "oh yeah, those guys, I know who those guys are" like they've been public figures for decades is just very  to me. (I spoilered that out because I guess it vaguely spoils some things from SMT4 and someone in here is just starting that, but it's like first hour of SMT4A stuff, so I dunno.) Also the hero-worshiping of Flynn might only be bugging me because he was a player character so it almost feels like the player's being worshiped there, but I suspect something terrible is going to happen to him and that's why he's being built up so much.I trust you all that things get much more interesting later but whew, this is a very non-SMT beginning to an SMT game. I guess it does pretty clearly show how surprisingly optimistic the Neutral route in SMT4 turns out to be. Harrow fucked around with this message at 16:49 on May 3, 2017 |
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May 3, 2017 16:45
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Remember this is supposed to be the 'Oh we're all so hopeful now because hope hope hope' part of SMT4 if Nanashi hadn't made a deal with Char.
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Yeah, definitely. I know it's taking place right in the middle of SMT4's Neutral ending, so I'm sure things will be more interesting and more SMT in a couple more hours. I'm gonna play some more tonight and I'll probably get there and feel dumb for complaining.
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Harrow posted:Honestly you'd be forgiven for thinking physical = Strength and gun = Dex, because otherwise Strength is a totally useless stat (and it turns out it is The advantage of a physical build in Apocalypse is that it consumes less skill slots, which is a big issue for most of the game. It also gives you the room to have all those useful skills that are good to have in an emergency but not able to fit into your demons due to other needs.
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May 3, 2017 16:52
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Hunt11 posted:The advantage of a physical build in Apocalypse is that it consumes less skill slots, which is a big issue for most of the game. It also gives you the room to have all those useful skills that are good to have in an emergency but not able to fit into your demons due to other needs. Yeah, that would be nice. Maybe I'll restart to do that since I'm only a couple hours in. I went with a magic build in SMT4 and it owned really hard, but I wouldn't mind a change with a more versatile supporter Nanashi. How common will it be that I'll be totally walled by an enemy that resists/nulls/reflects physical? If Desperate Hit is still around I'm sure it won't be a problem in the endgame and I guess I can just chuck magic stones if I run into that. Also, does SMT4A do a better job than SMT4 of giving you decent magical demons? I remember in SMT4, magic demons tended to have their stats spread out in a "not really good at anything" way, compared to physical demons generally being a lot stronger, so having a magic Flynn meant I had at least someone who could own poo poo with magic damage.
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Harrow posted:Yeah, that would be nice. Maybe I'll restart to do that since I'm only a couple hours in. I went with a magic build in SMT4 and it owned really hard, but I wouldn't mind a change with a more versatile supporter Nanashi. Magic demons, in general, are stronger than physical ones in my experience in Apocalypse. It helps that almost every boss has an elemental weakness, so having magic demons lets you clown all over them with press-turn. Also physical resistance/reflect is super common on bosses and sidequest bosses in the mid-game. There are a few fights where you're going to be limited to throwing items or entirely support if you're a physical build and you never run into that with mag.
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Really? I only remember one or two bosses having Null or reflect Phs in the entire game.
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:Yeah, I don't think it's for me. I'm just salty I could have saved $20 if I had waited a few days. Oh well, at least I didn't drop $60 on P5. Although that won't help you with the game, I heard people had some luck with trying to get refunds from PSN in exactly such a situation, to counterbalance the "loss" you incurred from not buying on a sale - as with most PSN-based refunds the customer service says it's an exception, but I think it couldn't hurt to ask.
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Hunt11 posted:Really? I only remember one or two bosses having Null or reflect Phs in the entire game. Yeah, but I've run into a lot that resist it or have counter of some kind. It feels a lot rougher than Magic.
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Zore posted:Yeah, but I've run into a lot that resist it or have counter of some kind. It feels a lot rougher than Magic. It is more common enemies that are an issue then bosses.
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Harrow posted:Yeah, that would be nice. Maybe I'll restart to do that since I'm only a couple hours in. I went with a magic build in SMT4 and it owned really hard, but I wouldn't mind a change with a more versatile supporter Nanashi. You'd have an easier time running gun than phys, since at least you have the advantage of switching out elemental bullets for your normal shot. And a lot more demons/bosses have gun weaknesses than phys weaknesses. Resistances don't really matter in the endgame since Nanashi gets skill that gives Pierce for everything.
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P3P has been really good so far, I just did the June full moon event. The combat feels surprisingly OK since it's so fast and cool looking. And really the game is more about how you find time to fight demons when you're already busy studying, attempting to hit on girls and hanging out in clubs with depressed monks. The main bit I don't like is the fight initiation. I can get first strike pretty much every time now but it can force you to wait around for a bit.
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As I recall, there's a stupid trick in P3 where you run away from the enemy until they reach the edge of their territory. Then they'll stop and turn around to head back to where they started. Then you hit them in the back.
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Yeah that's basically what I'm doing. If you wait long enough they'll turn around, and if you're absolutely 100% directly behind them they won't notice you as you approach. The one thing I haven't been able to do is kill any rare monsters. It seems like even if I get the jump on them they still get Enemy Advantage and run away.
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Clarste posted:As I recall, there's a stupid trick in P3 where you run away from the enemy until they reach the edge of their territory. Then they'll stop and turn around to head back to where they started. Then you hit them in the back. If you pause and unpause enemies reset their trajectories I believe.
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HGH posted:If you pause and unpause enemies reset their trajectories I believe. That might be faster, but it just makes them turn, doesn't it? The point of moving to the edge of their territory is that they have nowhere to go but directly away from you.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The one thing I haven't been able to do is kill any rare monsters. It seems like even if I get the jump on them they still get Enemy Advantage and run away.
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Wow, the final stretch of the castle got pretty rough pretty fast.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Yeah that's basically what I'm doing. If you wait long enough they'll turn around, and if you're absolutely 100% directly behind them they won't notice you as you approach. They'll always get enemy advantage, I believe. It's not like they do anything with it though, they just run or don't. Not really up to anything you can do.
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Gold Shadows are Metal Slimes, basically. If you get one, hey, bonus. If not, eh, no big deal. At least until Elizabeth wants you to actually kill them then that poo poo becomes personal.
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Dragonatrix posted:At least until Elizabeth wants you to actually kill them then that poo poo becomes personal. There's a limit to my patience when it comes to those missions, after she starts asking for more than one it's basically "gently caress this."
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Well I beat DeSu Overclocked, getting Yuzu's Ending. Only was able to defeat four of the Bels, was unable to fix the barrier, humanity was literally abandoned by God, and the world was overrun by demons forever. That uh was an ending alright. Apparently I could have at least fixed the barrier had I saved Gin, but oh well. I'll replay this at some point to get a different ending, but for now I'll move on to Record Breaker. Despite some rough spots I really enjoyed this game.
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I want Nocturne on Vita with a slighlty better UI so bad. 
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I would take Nocturne on vita with no other changes at all, really.
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