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Panzeh posted:I'm pretty surprised at how guys like Eric Gordon manage to be very solid defenders there. No, the only surprise with guys like Eric Gordon there is that he has stayed healthy. Everything else is similar to past production.
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Paul Zuvella posted:I've literally never understood why people: I like the art of Boxing and Floyd is really loving good at it. He's a piece of garbage as far as being a human. but he is still one of the greatest boxers of all time. It's like how a basketball fan will usually learn how to watch and appreciate well executed defense and enjoy it. But yeah. Casual fans just looking for an "event" boxing match are almost always disappointed and it's always hilarious.
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Floyd's ability to be popular despite being terrible to watch (ESPECIALLY if you're not a technical boxing junkie) never ceases to amaze me. Every fight he convinces three million casual boxing fans to go YEAH THIS IS GONNA BE GOOD and shell out for a ppv despite like his entire career for the last six years as evidence to the contrary. To paraphrase a good post I read in PSP once, everyone tunes in to Floyd fights because they hear that he's the world's best boxer and then get disappointed when they find out that what the 'world's best boxer' looks like nothing what they imagined it would. Kinda like the soccer crowd in the Simpsons. Except instead of it being a one off it happens every year or so because collectively the world has a short as poo poo memory. /derail
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dokmo posted:So he's like James Harden. but he does cool stuff
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attackmole posted:Floyd's ability to be popular despite being terrible to watch (ESPECIALLY if you're not a technical boxing junkie) never ceases to amaze me. Every fight he convinces three million casual boxing fans to go YEAH THIS IS GONNA BE GOOD and shell out for a ppv despite like his entire career for the last six years as evidence to the contrary. I think to expand on it, what they're hoping for is a vicious, spectacular KO. He usually only scores that on women, though.
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dokmo posted:So he's like James Harden. Oh my God this is perfect.
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Too bad Thomas is too small to carry a team. The Celtics need to get a real superstar. I hope Boston keeps on winning and IT tells Simmons to suck it.
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Hahahaha that motherfucking Bulls press conference. It was like an hour of GarPax throwing Fred Hoiberg under the bus, but still not firing him as then they wouldn't have a punching bag. https://twitter.com/vgoodwill/status/859806225885745152 Dexo fucked around with this message at 17:46 on May 3, 2017 |
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Man, I'm sorry, Bulls fans. Why couldn't Paxson fall off the face of the earth after hitting that 3-pointer against the Suns 1993?
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Hey Fred. Your job this offseason is to get in the office and put on 20lbs of leadership, while also working on your inspiration game.
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Jack's Flow posted:Man, I'm sorry, Bulls fans. Why couldn't Paxson fall off the face of the earth after hitting that 3-pointer against the Suns 1993? Before that would have been good too
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Paul Zuvella posted:I've literally never understood why people: Mayweather's one of the greatest boxers ever, why wouldn't people want to watch him? Dude's defense is amazing, and watching how he slowly snuffs out his opponent's ability to do anything is great.
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alansmithee posted:Mayweather's one of the greatest boxers ever, why wouldn't people want to watch him? Dude's defense is amazing, and watching how he slowly snuffs out his opponent's ability to do anything is great. Most people don't know what to watch for when watching boxing. It's like people who watch basketball and only watch the ball.
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Every time I've tried to watch boxing in, oh, the last 15 years or so it's been some mega hyped fight of the century deal that you pay $50 bucks to watch and it's a huge disappointment, so I never developed a taste for it.
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Strawberry Panda posted:Most people don't know what to watch for when watching boxing. It's like people who watch basketball and only watch the ball. I don't think that's a very good analogy. In every sport, the casual fans will gravitate towards the flashy offenses and call the great defenses "boring." But the hardcore fans will appreciate the defense as much or more than the offense because they know what to look for and can see how good it is.
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alansmithee posted:Mayweather's one of the greatest boxers ever, why wouldn't people want to watch him? Dude's defense is amazing, and watching how he slowly snuffs out his opponent's ability to do anything is great. He's also one of the greatest villains in boxing history and people want to see him lose and they are 100% sure that this is the fight where he goes down.
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IcePhoenix posted:I don't think that's a very good analogy. In every sport, the casual fans will gravitate towards the flashy offenses and call the great defenses "boring." But the hardcore fans will appreciate the defense as much or more than the offense because they know what to look for and can see how good it is. I think that's true for most sports, but in fighting, the defense is very clear to see. There's really no denying how humiliating it is to be so outclassed. Its a staple of movie fight choreography also. Your superiority is best shown by how you don't even have to throw a punch, i think people understand this motif. Floyds continual superiority and mocking of the public has been hugely successful, and I admire that aspect of him. At least he seems to be getting the benefit, and not don king, vince mcman(?), dana white, etc.
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Femur posted:I think that's true for most sports, but in fighting, the defense is very clear to see. There's really no denying how humiliating it is to be so outclassed. Its a staple of movie fight choreography also. Your superiority is best shown by how you don't even have to throw a punch, i think people understand this motif. I would agree with you if not for the fact that every time there's a big Floyd fight there's a gigantic outcry about how boring it was, which I think is what started this whole conversation in the first place.
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IcePhoenix posted:I would agree with you if not for the fact that every time there's a big Floyd fight there's a gigantic outcry about how boring it was, which I think is what started this whole conversation in the first place. That's because people watch boxing expecting to see Rocky vs Ivan Drago. A guy who boxes defensively and doesn't take repeated shots to the head for 20 years isn't boring. It's intelligent.
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IcePhoenix posted:I would agree with you if not for the fact that every time there's a big Floyd fight there's a gigantic outcry about how boring it was, which I think is what started this whole conversation in the first place. They say it's boring because they don't want to look like haters, or worse.. like boxing seems dead, why? because it is in fact boring, i mean like anything else, there can be moments, but why is boxing not prominent today? We are not entertain by it to begin with. edit: like the reason Floyd is the attraction is because of the event nature of a "big" fight, but his reputation is because people recognize his greatness, even subconsciously. The showboating of the defensive greatness makes our desire to hit him even greater. People make up reasons to mask that they just want him brought down a peg. Watch any movie fight, the big slow dude is always taunting the agile dude to come fight like a real man. That's the excuse you make when you can't win, that the other guy is cheap or a coward weak, whatever. Femur fucked around with this message at 20:08 on May 3, 2017 |
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TBeats posted:He's also one of the greatest villains in boxing history and people want to see him lose and they are 100% sure that this is the fight where he goes down. Not to go too far afield, but boxing's filled with actual murderers and whatnot so calling Mayweather one of it's greatest villains is a bit of hyperbole. Also a lot of how he acts in public is deliberate because he knows he needs to play the antagonist to get people to watch his fights-people want to see him lose. The only real drama the fight has in my mind is seeing if Mcgregor gets flustered enough to unleash kicks/elbows or something similar. Dude isn't even at the top of UFC strikers (or so I've been lead to believe, dudes better up on UFC may correct me) and UFC strikers in general look amateurish next to boxers in how they use their hands (not a knock, they also have to train about 20 other things than just hands so it's understandable). Floyd's not gonna get hit by anything Connor's throwing.
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alansmithee posted:Not to go too far afield, but boxing's filled with actual murderers and whatnot so calling Mayweather one of it's greatest villains is a bit of hyperbole. Also a lot of how he acts in public is deliberate because he knows he needs to play the antagonist to get people to watch his fights-people want to see him lose. Villain in boxing. Not actual villain* his "character" that he portrays is the biggest villain in boxing. *debateable but I'm talking relative to your post about murderers and stuff.
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Femur posted:They say it's boring because they don't want to look like haters, or worse.. That's not really true. A lot of the issues with boxing are due to mismanagement and greater competition. Also a lot of the same types of complaints people have about boxing being boring are leveled against MMA as dudes have gotten more and more technical. As an aside, there recently was a fight card that was showcasing a bunch of Ukrainian dudes headlined by Vasyl Lomachenko that was really good, if dudes wanna check out more on boxing. And it's a fair point about Floyd being a villain in terms of boxing, that's def part of what has made him rich. Dude wants the hate. But really, we should be talking about basketball, which i'm pretty sure is the best sport anyways. And for all the griping, I've found Harden to not nearly be as insufferable this year as in the past. Maybe it's because you don't also have Dwight sucking up the court and contributing to the free throw parade, but I've appreciated his game a lot more this year than before. alansmithee fucked around with this message at 20:12 on May 3, 2017 |
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alansmithee posted:Not to go too far afield, but boxing's filled with actual murderers and whatnot so calling Mayweather one of it's greatest villains is a bit of hyperbole. Also a lot of how he acts in public is deliberate because he knows he needs to play the antagonist to get people to watch his fights-people want to see him lose. He's thought of as one of the most unique and talented kick punchers in MMA, he throws own body destroying other man defeating kicks and punches like the late georges st pierre or kickboxing's favorite sociopath Badr Hari But boxing is another world, there's 200 years of punch and clinch no kicks no throws no trips no stuff on the ground fighting wisdom and Floyd has it, MMA is still in its infancy. Floyd would win a boxing match with a month of training to get his wind up. He has been boxing since he dropped out of school at 14 or so. Connor McGregor would not stand a chance. But if they fought with kickboxing rules, it would be interesting. I'm incredibly rich so I would go to a bar that was showing it and not pay for the 100 dollar pay per view myself as I've learned money saving tips by reading the best selling novel Rich Dad Poor Dad
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Femur posted:They say it's boring because they don't want to look like haters, or worse.. Boxing isn't dead, it's just at a nadir in the US because there are very few world class American fighters currently and Americans are notorious for only being interested in international sporting events where they can win. Boxing is as popular as ever in the rest of the world and is actually currently more popular than ever in Mexico and the UK, for example. Its exactly the same way that tennis is dying in popularity according to much of the American media (i.e. Sampras and Agassi retired), when in actuality it has been going through a golden age of global popularity and standard of play over the last decade. tanglewood1420 fucked around with this message at 20:16 on May 3, 2017 |
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You can make any excuse you want, but there seems to be little demand outside of these events. I don't mean to insult boxing, I am merely saying people don't demand more because they don't want more. It does not entertain them. So puting it on floyd or defensive style doesn't make sense since people don't want to watch boxing anyways, and have just finished watching something because of peer pressure.
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G: the Celtics are up 2-0 after being nearly exposed as frauds by the Bulls V: the Celtics appear to be slightly less fraudulent than they were in the first round, but being up 2-0 ain't poo poo in the NBA. what are everyone else's thoughts? celtics as contenders? or are they paper tigers ready to collapse at any second
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TBeats posted:That's because people watch boxing expecting to see Rocky vs Ivan Drago. That's literally the exact point I was making though w/r/t the difference between casual and hardcore fans though. Casual fans don't see amazing defense, they see a boring fight because they expected Ali/Tyson/Rocky.
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IcePhoenix posted:That's literally the exact point I was making though w/r/t the difference between casual and hardcore fans though. Casual fans don't see amazing defense, they see a boring fight because they expected Ali/Tyson/Rocky. That's the real reason boxing is dying, people want an american heavyweight champion who knocks everyone out and they don't care about anything else. Knockouts sell. That's why Pacquiao Maywether was a huge fight, because Manny knocked so many people out, and Floyd was undefeated. Floyd waited for Manny to age out of his prime to fight him, like he did for so many other fighters. That's why he has a billion dollars and no obvious signs of CTE, he's the clever villain wrestler who points to his brain to emphasize his wits and craft are why he's defeating your strong and brave hero. I feel like boxing also sagged in popularity because it was perceived as too brutal. Now we know that football is just as bad, if not worse, and we have bloody MMA fights weekly, so I think it will survive. It has safety as a niche ethnic sport in america with superfights once a year or so, it can climb out of that niche. The bar where I watched the Mayweather fight was like 99% Pinoy except for my friend and I and we both bet on Floyd to win, the odds were great because of all the people who bet against him just because they loved Manny and hated Floyd. The tension was incredible. They all thought Manny still had a chance, but entropy reigns and the philly shell can only be cracked by a man in motion
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