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Vando
Oct 26, 2007

stoats about

paragon1 posted:

They're too busy fending off pirates to shoot at planes.

Tevery Best posted:

Didn't Yooper say they were on anti-piracy duties?

He alluded to that fact, but we have no solid intel on what they've left behind or possibly recalled. Perhaps on this mission an additional secondary objective could be to scout the overwater areas to see what any future strikes would potentially be up against?

The capital strike plans are elegant and well-crafted but hinge too much upon critical assumptions about the weakness of what we'd be up against for my liking.

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Added Space
Jul 13, 2012

Free Markets
Free People

Curse you Hayard-Gunnes!
The Angolan navy IRL is a handful of patrol boats and seaplanes with exactly 0 AA capability.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Vando posted:

Hit the radar sites. Escort the defectors. If the radar strikes are successful, continue to beat up on the Bulgarian ground forces.

This is seriously all i think we should be doing. Kill every single one of their search radars so their SAMs are dramatically limited in effectiveness and then just hammer them all along the front.

The dictator's legitimacy doesn't come from an experienced corps of trained and effective military that would be weakened by a strike on their leadership or an effective and impartial bureaucracy but from a shitload of money which he gets from lithium mines which are not defended by whatever he has tasked to the capital.

Also we directly get paid more for taking lithium mines and we do not directly get paid more for anything we do to the capital.

TildeATH
Oct 21, 2010

by Lowtax

Vando posted:

What intel do you have regarding the Angolan Navy and its air defence capabilities?

It's mostly a fleet of hospital ships and refugee rescue ships, so it's totally the kind of thing we want to hit with NBC* munitions.

*napalm, burning books and cluster bombs (maybe some kitten bodies and decapitated nuns?)

Vando
Oct 26, 2007

stoats about

Added Space posted:

The Angolan navy IRL is a handful of patrol boats and seaplanes with exactly 0 AA capability.

This is another assumption and if I was the DM of a game like this I would totally be putting canon-compatible "Chinese aid" ships into the scenario the second my players started assuming they rule over the battlefield and can do whatever they like :v:

Added Space
Jul 13, 2012

Free Markets
Free People

Curse you Hayard-Gunnes!
Oh, come on, if we don't perform one ridulous Hail Mary thing per op why even be mercenaries? I'd have signed up for the French Army if I wanted to play it safe.

Tevery Best
Oct 11, 2013

Hewlo Furriend

Vando posted:

This is another assumption and if I was the DM of a game like this I would totally be putting canon-compatible "Chinese aid" ships into the scenario the second my players started assuming they rule over the battlefield and can do whatever they like :v:

Ah, yes. Chinese ships. Been a while since we sent one to the bottom. I wonder if they'd send one with AA missiles this time.

Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



Vando posted:

This is another assumption and if I was the DM of a game like this I would totally be putting canon-compatible "Chinese aid" ships into the scenario the second my players started assuming they rule over the battlefield and can do whatever they like :v:

Thought that was all their fighter swarms, tbh.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Oh man I hope the Chinese DO send us some ships. It's been a while since the last one, I'm hungry for the chance to paint a little silhouette under my cockpit.

And imagine the headlines when a bunch of jumped up mercs in generation-old Eurotrash give the PLAN a second bloody nose.

Neophyte
Apr 23, 2006

perennially
Taco Defender
Lemme put on my robe and Clancy hat and say that imo focussing on bombing the western concealed/camouflaged and SAM defended sites 1990's NATO-style so that mostly light troops can charge head-on into fortified heavy armor is maybe not the best strategy. Going up the central and/or eastern axes seem like they'd be a lot less slaughtery for the Hoffster.

But they're not my altAngolan pixelmens, so eh whatever y'all wanna do.

Neophyte fucked around with this message at 21:50 on May 3, 2017

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Neophyte posted:

Lemme put on my robe and Clancy hat and say that imo focussing on bombing the western concealed/camouflaged and SAM defended sites 1990's NATO-style so that mostly light troops can charge head-on into fortified heavy armor is maybe not the best strategy. Going up the central and/or eastern axes seem like they'd be a lot less slaughtery for the Hoffster.

But they're not my altAngolan pixelmens, so eh whatever y'all wanna do.

Well pushing up the West is gives a a new airport and extra mines (like either of the other axes of advance), it also gives us the only refinery in the country not in Luanda and the second of the three major ports in Angola, which will both benefit us and hurt the Dos Santos regime.

If we hit that depot and the military base in the Bulgarian rear, we could force a major collapse on the coast. I'd like to retask one the airfield strike from the Benguala Airbase to the FOB East of Mutumbo to hopefully push that line back a bit, to capture the mines right on that border.

Yooper
Apr 30, 2012












If there is no clear vote taker then we take the top three and do a runoff vote. If I missed your proposal show me some catdrugs and I'll get it on the list.

Remember Silent Bob

Yooper fucked around with this message at 23:50 on May 3, 2017

CoffeeQaddaffi
Mar 20, 2009
Liontamer

Vando
Oct 26, 2007

stoats about
A vote for Liontamer is a vote for Getting poo poo Done

Tevery Best
Oct 11, 2013

Hewlo Furriend
Heads up: I have amended Wrestlemania 13 to take into account the suggestions I have mentioned above.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

Maybe you're weighing the moral pros and cons but let me assure you that OH MY GOD
SHOOT ME IN THE GODDAMNED FACE
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!
I'm still standing by Golgotha.

Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



quote:

Operation: Lightly braise the earth.

Primary objectives:

Destroy Western Dictator radar sites.
Attack Bulgarians of opportunity
Maintain air cover and escort defecting Free State pilots.
Push to airport at Lobito Benguel.

Map:


Yellow Team: Secure Lobito Benguel

All others same

Main difference is I shorten the yellow team's objective, and try to roll up the flank. I dont feel we have enough intel to hit the capital right out, and we dont know what SAMs are there.

edit: updated map



Lobito is a miserable little place, so if our planes cant use it I figure we'll just bomb the runway.



If we have enough time Yellow could bomb Huamba runway as well.



This is a good plan because it completely opens up five mines in the next offensive

Its not a good plan, but its mine! :v:

koolkevz666
Aug 22, 2015
Burn the Earth Never turning my back on war crimes. Wonder if I can subcontract out and make some money drawing up proposals for other groups?

sniper4625
Sep 26, 2009

Loyal to the hEnd
Liontamer

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
I want to Tame the Lion

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Voting for Golgotha.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Golgotha

Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 03:55 on May 4, 2017

Psawhn
Jan 15, 2011
I'm voting for my own plan, Bad Anime.

Yooper
Apr 30, 2012


Loel posted:

Its not a good plan, but its mine! :v:

Got it Loel! Thanks!

PenguinSalsa
Nov 10, 2009
Liontamer

sparkmaster
Apr 1, 2010
Voting for Golgotha.

Really I just want my turn to bomb some pixelmans in my sexy French fighter.

Dong Quixote
Oct 3, 2015

Fun Shoe
Burn the Earth :colbert: We'll break Dos Santos before the international community can mount any sort of response.

power crystals
Jun 6, 2007

Who wants a belly rub??

Liontamer, of course.

Added Space
Jul 13, 2012

Free Markets
Free People

Curse you Hayard-Gunnes!
For those concerned about long-range cruise missile fire, I'm going to point out that Liontamer and Golgotha can both be summarized as "Have the Tornadoes fire cruise missiles as fast as possible with no on-site support." Care Package at least sends planes with appropriate armaments to take out the same objectives.

darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS
Are you ready for the Gripenmania to run wild over you?

Jimmy4400nav
Apr 1, 2011

Ambassador to Moonlandia
I vote for the sensible plan of Liontamer!

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
I vote Liontamer.

We can blow poo poo up in the capital when the front line is closer.

Quinntan
Sep 11, 2013
Hesitantly, Lion Tamer

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Tame that Lion

The Sandman
Jun 23, 2013

Okay!

So, I've, like, designed a really sweet attack plan that I'm calling Attack Plan Ded Moroz, like "Deadmau5!"

WUB!
Golgotha.

Or Bad Anime.

Whichever of those two is ahead of the other without taking my vote into account. If they're tied, flip a coin.
Looks like my choice is made.

I'd rather either of those than Liontamer, which takes our present lack of aerial opposition and squander it.

The Sandman fucked around with this message at 21:30 on May 4, 2017

Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



Golgotha

Brovine
Dec 24, 2011

Mooooo?
I'm thinking we should Tame Them Lions.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Golgotha.

Cathode Raymond
Dec 30, 2015

My antenna is telling me that you're probably wrong about this.
Soiled Meat
Bad Anime

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Alikchi
Aug 18, 2010

Thumbs up I agree

Golgotha

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