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ukle posted:Hes not a prospective Councillor, hes going for the job of Mayor of a region that has 100's of thousands of people in it i.e. the role actually has a bit of power. Its really bizarre that their is still someone in the Tory party of any significance that hasn't fully drank the Thatcher kool-aid. Look at the policies of BOZZA LEGERND (and Shagger and The Poor Little Rich Kid) in the London Mayoral elections, they were normally (in word if not in deed) way to the left not only of the Tories in Westminster but often of Labour.
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May 4, 2017 17:07
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Sapozhnik posted:~9 months away from getting my green card and finalizing my move to the USA, fingers crossed. The Democrats haven't even admitted why they were defeated yet. Hell, a bunch of Democrats are still clinging to the idea that actually Hillary won because she won the popular vote. The Republicans meanwhile are 1 state away from being able to hold a constitutional convention. US politics is *completely hosed*.
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May 4, 2017 17:10
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Sapozhnik posted:All I'll say is don't ever try to get US residency if you value your sanity. And you can just forget about it right out of the gate if you are the wrong race (i.e. born in India, China, or Mexico). Whites only. Goes a lot easier if you marry a local  (FSVO 'easier', it still about 6 months, a visit to the embassy, a visit to my local plod, blood tests, interviews, a heck of a lot of paperwork and of course $$$)
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https://twitter.com/BrianElects/status/860151498470297600 I'm loving this new parody account
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feedmegin posted:Goes a lot easier if you marry a local What were they testing your blood for?
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MikeCrotch posted:The Democrats haven't even admitted why they were defeated yet. Hell, a bunch of Democrats are still clinging to the idea that actually Hillary won because she won the popular vote. The Republicans meanwhile are 1 state away from being able to hold a constitutional convention. When it was that close, the list of credible reasons Clinton lost is very long indeed. Yeah, she hosed up by not listening to people on the ground and ignoring some states, and that probably would have won it for her otherwise. But so would no Comey letter. So would less sexism. So would an awful lot of things. And the Dems actually seem to be making a good effort to revitalize themselves? New DNC leadership, the main Dems you hear from these days are Bernie and Warren, etc. etc.. Meanwhile the GOP holds all three branches of government and the last hundred days is a long litany of their hilarious defeats, failures, fuckups, and eating of poo poo. Not that poo poo's not hosed, but at least the US has people willing and able to oppose the loving government, and a Constitution that still seems robust enough to back them up.
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May 4, 2017 17:26
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Socially and economically progressive ideals are at least gaining some traction in the US after the latest result shocked a bunch of people out of complacency, and the Dems only lost very narrowly despite being a bunch of horribly corrupt pro-Wall Street fucks and generally doing absolutely everything wrong throughout the entire campaign. It's a miracle they lost as narrowly as they did. UK politics is just [tory sneering intensifies] at this point, the upcoming GE is going to be an absolute loving bloodbath. The NHS is going to be dismantled and burned to the ground, its husk shall continue in name only and might kinda sorta maybe patch you up if you're having a heart attack but not much else. I'll continue to proxy vote Labour in my parents' home counties constituency full of rich olds, because I do so enjoy pissing into the wind, and I'll vote for whoever the leftiest person is on the Labour leadership ballot in a few months, but the entire country up and down is going hard right so it all seems pretty hopeless tbh. I can deal with things being poo poo if there's at least a possibility that things may get better. I am absolutely certain that things in the UK will continue to get worse, the only question is exactly how quickly everything goes to hell.
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May 4, 2017 17:27
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Sapozhnik posted:I can deal with things being poo poo if there's at least a possibility that things may get better. I am absolutely certain that things in the UK will continue to get worse, the only question is exactly how quickly everything goes to hell. What does your heart tell you? Britain will end up being what Banon wants the US to become. During times of turbulence opinions always to lean to extremes and then normalise over time. The next 5-10 years will be intense as hell.
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May 4, 2017 17:30
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Sapozhnik posted:Socially and economically progressive ideals are at least gaining some traction in the US
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May 4, 2017 17:35
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*nearly two thirds of states turn red* "I feel like the ideals of Bernie Sanders will come around any day now" I say as corporate tax drops twenty points, envrionmental regs are binned, and healthcare and social security is gutted to pay for military expansion
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May 4, 2017 17:35
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awesome-express posted:So um, after 1.9 years of legal back and forths, one appeal, and countless thousands of pounds spent, I have apparently just been granted UK citizenship. A powerful self-own. 
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May 4, 2017 17:41
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Looks like Jeremy Corbyn isn't the only MP to be getting paid by Press TV! 
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May 4, 2017 17:47
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Sapozhnik posted:Socially and economically progressive ideals are at least gaining some traction in the US Aren't they about to get rid of the meagre socialised healthcare Obama just introduced?
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May 4, 2017 17:56
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awesome-express posted:So um, after 1.9 years of legal back and forths, one appeal, and countless thousands of pounds spent, I have apparently just been granted UK citizenship. Just got off the phone with my lawyer. This dirty EU person is now allowed to legally moan about the weather and complain about everything.
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May 4, 2017 17:59
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jBrereton posted:*nearly two thirds of states turn red* Bernie would have won. If for no other reason than the Comey letters wouldn't have happened.
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May 4, 2017 18:00
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Bernie would have won. If for no other reason than the Comey letters wouldn't have happened.
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May 4, 2017 18:01
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awesome-express posted:So um, after 1.9 years of legal back and forths, one appeal, and countless thousands of pounds spent, I have apparently just been granted UK citizenship. Just got off the phone with my lawyer. This dirty EU person is now allowed to legally moan about the weather and complain about everything. Congrats I guess. I was considering saying condolences but I suppose that's a bit glib after you put so much time into being sure you can stay here! Now that you can vote, do your best to punt Tories to the curb and maybe one day this country of ours won't be a burning bin full of poo poo. Sapozhnik posted:Socially and economically progressive ideals are at least gaining some traction in the US after the latest result shocked a bunch of people out of complacency, and the Dems only lost very narrowly despite being a bunch of horribly corrupt pro-Wall Street fucks and generally doing absolutely everything wrong throughout the entire campaign. It's a miracle they lost as narrowly as they did. I genuinely see no reasons to be optimistic looking at America. It's worse than us. Sure, the NHS will be sold off piecemeal, but until it is we've still got a much better healthcare system than the ones that the Yanks are already trying to scrap in favour of something even shittier. And reforming the Democrats away from lovely third way Wall Street shills will be a task even more mammoth than reform the Labour Party. I mean, good luck and all that but America is going to the dogs and probably the only saving grace is if you're moving to a more liberal state, because of their federal system. And even then, a state like Washington which is regarded as pretty liberal doesn't have an income tax, most of it's revenue comes from regressive sales taxes. Britain is sliding into dystopia but America will get there first, rest assured. As usual, we're just copying them.
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May 4, 2017 18:03
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jBrereton posted:Yeah okay bud. Bernie would have won just like Corbyn is about to win.
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May 4, 2017 18:04
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Sapozhnik posted:Socially and economically progressive ideals are at least gaining some traction in the US after the latest result shocked a bunch of people out of complacency, and the Dems only lost very narrowly despite being a bunch of horribly corrupt pro-Wall Street fucks and generally doing absolutely everything wrong throughout the entire campaign. It's a miracle they lost as narrowly as they did. The only reason there seems to be decent opposition to stuff in the US is because they are at least 5-10 years further down the path of right-wing craziness than we are. People like Trump and Le Pen are the logical result of neoliberal policies being allowed to ruin society and constantly shift the blame to foreigners/gays/poor people. Trump got elected and the fact that his 'solutions' don't work might shock some people into action, but France meanwhile is going to double down on neoliberalism with Macron first and probably elect Le Pen next time. The UK by contrast has actually absorbed it's far-right party (UKIP) into the less-far-right Tories, and has a genuine centre-left opposition with a reasonable level of support. I agree that we are likely to continue the slide towards full blown fascism but we're actually behind the curve compare to America, not ahead of it.
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jBrereton posted:Yeah okay bud. You disagree? There's a good argument that it cost Clinton the election. Why would you think Bernie would've been in a worse situation otherwise than Clinton? Because the neoliberals would have all gone for Trump or something?
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May 4, 2017 18:07
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Lord of the Llamas posted:You disagree? There's a good argument that it cost Clinton the election. Why would you think Bernie would've been in a worse situation otherwise than Clinton? Because the neoliberals would have all gone for Trump or something? I think her collapsing and having to be dragged into the back of a truck that she tried to hide on 9/11 probably influenced the election more than Her Emails fwiw.
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May 4, 2017 18:12
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Lord of the Llamas posted:You disagree? There's a good argument that it cost Clinton the election. Why would you think Bernie would've been in a worse situation otherwise than Clinton? Because the neoliberals would have all gone for Trump or something? Saying "Bernie would have won" is funny because it makes mad Hilary cultists combust with rage but other than that, it's just huge question marks. It'd have been a very different election, Bernie had a problem reaching out to a lot of minority voters, so maybe he does better in West Virginia & Michigan but does worse in somewhere like North Carolina, but without knowing what dirt they'd have run against him it's actually impossible to say. Clinton had a lovely campaign, but the odds are that Sanders, to win, would have had to try & work within the Democratic Party, but you have to ask if the Democratic Party would have been willing to campaign & work with him. Just too many questions.
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MikeCrotch posted:The Democrats haven't even admitted why they were defeated yet. Hell, a bunch of Democrats are still clinging to the idea that actually Hillary won because she won the popular vote. The Republicans meanwhile are 1 state away from being able to hold a constitutional convention.
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Voted for a Labour member in county council (good luck in this sea of blue!) and scattershotted 11 members out of 15 for local council after trying to remember which 11 were on the slip of paper that was posted through my door. Sorry if my wayward votes screw up the local superteam!
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May 4, 2017 18:26
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forkboy84 posted:Saying "Bernie would have won" is funny because it makes mad Hilary cultists combust with rage but other than that, it's just huge question marks. It'd have been a very different election, Bernie had a problem reaching out to a lot of minority voters, so maybe he does better in West Virginia & Michigan but does worse in somewhere like North Carolina, but without knowing what dirt they'd have run against him it's actually impossible to say. Clinton had a lovely campaign, but the odds are that Sanders, to win, would have had to try & work within the Democratic Party, but you have to ask if the Democratic Party would have been willing to campaign & work with him. Just too many questions. Even making the statement straight up handwaves away the fact that Bernie and Clinton had a contest and Clinton won handily. Also the far more plausible counterfactual is that Clinton would have done better had Bernie bowed out of the contest once it was clear he was going to lose instead of trucking on and escalating attacks on Clinton that would get carried straight over into the presidential campaign.
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May 4, 2017 18:28
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Voted for the Tees Valley mayor, Lab 1st Lib 2nd, I actually didn't know it was a multiple choice so I was expecting to only vote Lab but given the other options wer Con/UKIP I figured it's better a lovely lib get it than them if Labour can't.
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OwlFancier posted:Voted for the Tees Valley mayor, Lab 1st Lib 2nd, I actually didn't know it was a multiple choice so I was expecting to only vote Lab but given the other options wer Con/UKIP I figured it's better a lovely lib get it than them if Labour can't. The liberal democrat wants to build a hyperloop.
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Alchenar posted:Even making the statement straight up handwaves away the fact that Bernie and Clinton had a contest and Clinton won handily. lol look at this bullshit.
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Pissflaps posted:The liberal democrat wants to build a hyperloop. To... Where?
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OwlFancier posted:Voted for the Tees Valley mayor, Lab 1st Lib 2nd, I actually didn't know it was a multiple choice so I was expecting to only vote Lab but given the other options wer Con/UKIP I figured it's better a lovely lib get it than them if Labour can't. This sort of guesswork in who's going to make the top two makes SV the worst system. OwlFancier posted:To... Where? Hell. TinTower fucked around with this message at 18:35 on May 4, 2017 |
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The Bernie would have won alt-history
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Bobstar posted:Haha, yes, I think I've mentioned this before, but much as I don't trust any British government not to leave a hypothetical ID database on a train, there is a certain convenience to being officially registered as living somewhere/existing, with a magic number that unlocks services. It was interesting how apparently Brown wanted the ID card so that people could vote and access national services more easily but had to throw in the "and we'll know where the terrorists are and Constable Savage can demand Papers, Please at any time" to make it palatable.  At least that seemed to galvanize popular opinion against it, shame the press didn't feel the same way about encryption. Pissflaps posted:What were they testing your blood for? TinTower posted:Hell.
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Hell will be the June thread title after the election, but the initial title will be "make June the end of May"
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May 4, 2017 18:47
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OwlFancier posted:To... Where? Across the river tees.
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Pissflaps posted:Across the river tees. Wait is a hyperloop one of those stupid underground vacuum train death tubes that Elon Musk wants to build or is it something else? Because google is telling me it's one of those and I... don't think you need one of those to go over the river.
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Cerebral Bore posted:lol look at this bullshit. This is why Corbyn needs to contest a general election. It'll be bad enough listening to the 'Jeremy would have won without ________ happening' horseshit. OwlFancier posted:Wait is a hyperloop one of those stupid underground vacuum train death tubes that Elon Musk wants to build or is it something else? I'm not sure the leaflet didn't go into details.
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OwlFancier posted:Wait is a hyperloop one of those stupid underground vacuum train death tubes that Elon Musk wants to build or is it something else? The liberal democrat probably wants to build a tramline and call it a hyperloop.
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Alchenar posted:Even making the statement straight up handwaves away the fact that Bernie and Clinton had a contest and Clinton won handily. Can't really agree with that big leap in logic, could well be that Bernie had an easier time beating Trump than Clinton in a populist, anti-establishment year, due to not having been a key figure in his party for years, & not having been a Secretary of State, & not having a spouse who has already been President. Being able to win the Democratic primary doesn't actually mean you're the best person to win the general. As for the counterfactual, eh. If a contested convention is actually that big a problem then your campaign has far bigger problems than that. Like her campaign staff, the idiots who decided she didn't even need to bother visiting Wisconsin, & so on, so forth. Clinton didn't bail out in 2008 until after Obama got over the required number of delegates, why on earth would Sanders be expected to do the same? Anyway, this is the wrong thread for rehashing the US election. This is the thread where we revel in the abject misery of the 2017 UK general election. Pissflaps posted:Across the river tees. Do you not just have a footbridge to get across the Tees? forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 18:58 on May 4, 2017 |
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