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Brass is going for a Steam greenlight, it looks pretty well done: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=787752508
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Tai posted:So Agricola or Caverna. Thoughts? Agricola is best, it has a lot more replay value. Cavernia is a half finished mess. If Caverna appeals to you then you should just get Feast for Odin instead.
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Caverna is so long that you might want to never play another board game again by the time the end rolls around.
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May 4, 2017 17:57
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Kashuno posted:Might be a better question to address to the dev thread but I think this thread gets quite a bit more traffic and I'd like more opinions. When it comes to player combat, what methods do you enjoy for combat resolution and what ones to you dislike? Why? It would be neat to see Gloomhaven's combat resolution done in an adversarial setting -- the combat results deck (and its upgradable/customizable nature) put into a CDG environment would be a fun time. So sorta like Kemet but with powers that are active rather than passive benefits. Actually a good dudes on a map deckbuilder (with like a combat and customizable action deck) would be interesting, especially if every upgrade path was available on the table (ala Kemet's pyramids).
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May 4, 2017 18:01
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Tai posted:So Agricola or Caverna. Thoughts? The good news is that both are great and you absolutely cannot go wrong with either. Agricola is a wonderful game and harsh. Every decision is made on the brink of starvation and because of that, it's incredibly tense. Greed can be harshly punished and I've sat there twitching watching other people take their turns because if someone takes that sheep space... If you like very tight competition, Agricola is your game. Randomness in Agricola is also minimized if you draft like you're supposed to. Caverna gives you the same toolbox and just opens everything wide open. It is not streamlined in any way and actually has more moving parts. The main difference is that you aren't going to starve unless you really, really gently caress up. Resources are plentiful and it goes from being the game of avoiding harm to the game of maximizing gain. I feel the same tension except that instead of anxiety over imminent starvation, it's anxiety over someone locking me out of something profitable. I personally give the edge to Caverna because I think it gives a little more creative space to play with but they're both easily in the top five games ever created. I'd even go so far as to say they're both worth owning. The core mechanics are the same but they play very differently.
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Tekopo posted:Dislike:  Even one of my favorite board games ever, Eclipse, is held back by its combat system committing both of these sins.
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PMush Perfect posted:
Yep. I quite like Eclipse, but the combat (multi-round roll-5-to-hit rando-boredom) is super garbage. Also seconding whoever said Gloomhaven combat is a good model (a deck of random modifiers, pretty tightly centered around +0). For me, it gives just enough variance that combat is not deterministic (which is important), but where most of the time you are about as effective as you should be (and using a deck instead of dice provides even more pressure towards average results). Bonus points if it's also something you can control and sculpt over time (again, like in Gloomhaven). I don't hate Kemet combat (hidden action selection, with a card economy of "how much do I need to commit, how much will he commit to this")... but in general I'm less keen on hidden action selection than I think a lot of people are. Too often I find it unsatisfying, win or lose; though in Kemet this is mitigated somewhat by card economy and just overall game mechanics. You could go even further into hidden selection mechanics, with full-shields/all-out/conservative/scissors/paper type interactions and I think it'd "work" and you'd have a game, but personally I don't like those types of games much. Having some sort of translucent/luck-based (either by straight randomness or hidden selection) mechanic around combat resolution makes sense, but you don't want resolution tactics (or randomness) to overwhelm bigger picture strategy (or at least not often).
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May 4, 2017 18:42
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Ok Terra mystica. That looks a pretty cool variation. Less tasks and more about developing to open up rewards below the board by adding to the board (houses, trade houses etc). To me it looks pretty good and I'm watching a third video for it. Could be the final game I add to the basket...finally.
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May 4, 2017 19:34
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Tai posted:Ok Terra mystica. That looks a pretty cool variation. Less tasks and more about developing to open up rewards below the board by adding to the board (houses, trade houses etc). Terra Mystica is very Not Good if you're going to mostly play at two.
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Tai posted:Ok Terra mystica. That looks a pretty cool variation. Less tasks and more about developing to open up rewards below the board by adding to the board (houses, trade houses etc). I like Terra Mystica and Agricola equally, even if they're not strictly comparable in game styles (why would anyone want two games that are the same, anyway?). My group chooses from these games based on how many players we have. Here are our first choices for each player count: 6p - Dominant Species 5p - Terra Mystica 4p or 3p - Agricola (or Pandemic Legacy if it's the correct four). For more involved 2p games it's typically Twilight Struggle or Agricola
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May 4, 2017 19:41
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Tai posted:Ok Terra mystica. That looks a pretty cool variation. Less tasks and more about developing to open up rewards below the board by adding to the board (houses, trade houses etc). It's really good, but a bit dry. It's not bestat 2 players either, but playable (much better if you start close to one another for interaction). There is an app that is great for trying it out and learning.
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May 4, 2017 19:43
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T-Bone posted:Actually a good dudes on a map deckbuilder (with like a combat and customizable action deck) would be interesting, especially if every upgrade path was available on the table (ala Kemet's pyramids). Try City Of Remnants for deck builders mans-on-boards.
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:Weird Mage Knight questions from our last game. Still very sketchy on co-op city assaults and the order of events. Sample turn order, A B dummy C. B moves in, C and A join. They all take their monsters, but B gets to use source dice first etc. C and A turn their turn tokens face down to remember to skip their next turn. After the attack, return all source dice, C flips token up, dummy acts (if this wasn't the last city), A flips token up, B gets another proper turn. If this was the last city, game ends here, C and A do not get any proper turns. Yes, if everybody has the same number of tokens on the city the leader is the one who went in first, B in this case. Gwyrgyn Blood posted:Other stuff: In co-op you can move through each other's keeps, but you can't end move there while occupied. While on or next to an ally's keep, you can claim your own keep bonus if you have one. I believe this rule is confusingly buried in "Team Play", and the co-op scenarios specify you're on the same team. Nothing official for crazy scenarios, but nothing stopping you from doing it! Slap a level 22 Megapolis composed of the remaining 2 cities. With the expansion, the Volkare scenarios can be pretty long but still only 6 rounds. I've never tried the alternate deck building rules, other than "starting at higher level" from Tezla for the scenario that calls for it. I do really like auctioning the heroes in competitive (but with an n-player game, choose only n heroes to auction off). Random tile orientation is good but I would consider not rotating the tiles next to the starting tile, especially in competitive.
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May 4, 2017 21:36
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rchandra posted:No, the whole attack happens during the same turn. Everybody who joined in (not the original attacker) misses their next turn. Well glad I asked then, I re-read that section like 3 times but for some reason it just wasn't ever clear to me. I knew about claiming your own keep bonus from a friend's keep in co-op but the movement was something I couldn't find in there. I should get a digital version of the rules so I can search, that would probably help quite a bit. Random Tile orientation, could you get into some layouts where you need teleport/flight/etc to get to cities then? I've already had some nasty layouts where there was only 1 normal tile access to a city.
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We played a huge game of Eldritch Horror, and it was just abysmal. I was wondering, are there any games that are similar, but where you all do something on everyone's turn, so that you don't just sit there waiting until its your turn?
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May 4, 2017 23:48
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I wish I had a regular group to play Steam with. Managed to get it to the table again today, and had a great time, but it probably wasn't as fun for the two people who were stuck in a corner of the map from round 2 and had no possible way of catching up... I'm assuming this would be less of a problem if all my opponents were as skilled as me and my one friend who also plays it with me every time we get the chance. (It doesn't help that we played a new map, and it now turns out that both expansion #1 maps are tight as gently caress)
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May 4, 2017 23:58
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!Klams posted:We played a huge game of Eldritch Horror, and it was just abysmal. I was wondering, are there any games that are similar, but where you all do something on everyone's turn, so that you don't just sit there waiting until its your turn? If you play Arkham Horror you can spend your time between turns reading the rules book.
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May 5, 2017 00:34
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Jesus christ BGC is so hosed for me right now. Can't send any chats and I have to refresh 2-6 times to get a single move to go through...
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May 5, 2017 01:46
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Rutibex posted:If you play Arkham Horror you can spend your time between turns reading the rules book. lol, actually we've all played Arkham horror so much that we know it all inside out now. I don't know why, it never seemed as bad with Arkham? I think a lot of it is the people we play with actually.
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!Klams posted:We played a huge game of Eldritch Horror, and it was just abysmal. I was wondering, are there any games that are similar, but where you all do something on everyone's turn, so that you don't just sit there waiting until its your turn? Drafting games (7 wonders, sushi go party) mitigate this, but there aren't that many pure drafting games. That is, most games have more than just drafting. Real time games also but only Captain Sonar goes up to a player count that is "huge."
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May 5, 2017 02:39
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Shadow225 posted:My complaint with Castles is actually the bonus objectives. It's great when a player can snap 9 points off a single objective, but you can only snap 2 because the tiles popped up favorably for your opponent. There's no counterplay because you can't fight hidden information. The way to get your cards to score big is by completing blue rooms - picking 2 of the exact room you need can be super powerful, especially if you also run the stack out. That does rely on the blue rooms showing up of course, but it's not unlikely. There's also a degree that you have to try to guess what orange cards your opponents have based on what they're buying, and price those rooms accordingly or buy them up for cheap. Anyone have thoughts on the expansion? The moats look cool, but the swans seem like they could be tedious, and I'm not sure how much the secret passages add.
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May 5, 2017 02:47
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GrandpaPants posted:Drafting games (7 wonders, sushi go party) mitigate this, but there aren't that many pure drafting games. That is, most games have more than just drafting. Ok cool. I have an idea for a game I'd like to make and a large part of it is mitigating the 'waiting for your turn' thing.
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May 5, 2017 02:51
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Dr. Video Games 0069 posted:The way to get your cards to score big is by completing blue rooms - picking 2 of the exact room you need can be super powerful, especially if you also run the stack out. That does rely on the blue rooms showing up of course, but it's not unlikely. There's also a degree that you have to try to guess what orange cards your opponents have based on what they're buying, and price those rooms accordingly or buy them up for cheap. Moats are extremely cool, and arguably stronger than secret card usage. Secret passages exist to support moat heavy strategies, and swans are just kind of there. I usually play with moats + secret passages, and pretend the swans don't exist. It's enough of a point salad already.
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!Klams posted:We played a huge game of Eldritch Horror, and it was just abysmal. I was wondering, are there any games that are similar, but where you all do something on everyone's turn, so that you don't just sit there waiting until its your turn? For one thing, neither Arkham nor Eldritch Horror resolve an entire player turn at once. You do each player's piece of a phase, then move to the next phase etc. So it shouldn't be "wait through 5 turns, do your thing". If you weren't playing that way that would be a big component of it. Secondly, never play either above maybe 5 players, preferably 4. That would also contribute heavily to it sucking, if when you say "huge" you mean "lots of players". Beyond that...I honestly can't think of any coop games where people are all acting more or less simultaneously outside of real-time stuff like Space Alert. Also very little if anything that would be good at a high player count. Probably the closest I can come would be Gloomhaven (everyone plans their actions simultaneously, reveals for initiative, and then you flip monster actions and people and monsters act in order of initiative) or Pathfinder Adventure Card Game (people take discrete turns but you can play some cards to help other players on their turn or might also have to join in an encounter/encounter the same thing at the same time).
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!Klams posted:We played a huge game of Eldritch Horror, and it was just abysmal. I was wondering, are there any games that are similar, but where you all do something on everyone's turn, so that you don't just sit there waiting until its your turn? Eldritch. If you dont have a QB problem. Should be 5-10 minutes of everyone collaborating and talking about what they can do in a group puzzle solving way. Followed by short turns where they do there thing that s You should have time to get bored during. I 100% grant that if it gets to Bobs turn and he looks at the board and decides what to do and you wait then it can suck. But our turns are all reading the encounter cards after the disvussion/group input phase.
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!Klams posted:Ok cool. I have an idea for a game I'd like to make and a large part of it is mitigating the 'waiting for your turn' thing. Action selection games like Puerto Rico, Race for the Galaxy too, albeit not co-op. One person picks an action which everyone does, with the active player getting an additional benefit.
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May 5, 2017 03:12
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With Race for the Galaxy, do people generally play the "experienced" 2 player variant (pick 2 actions a round) or normal?
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Bottom Liner posted:With Race for the Galaxy, do people generally play the "experienced" 2 player variant (pick 2 actions a round) or normal? I have only ever played 2-player, and we always used the pick two variant. Its seems more interesting.
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Experienced, for sure. Best with the Alien Artifact expansion only (sans orb). Tom Lehrman (the designer) has lamented the experienced 2p option a bit because he argues as it gives the appearance of more control, it reduces the appeal of the multiplayer version, which really is a pretty neat and efficient game where you are interacting through predicting other player's choices. The 2p variant kind of loses that aspect of the game to a degree.
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Bottom Liner posted:With Race for the Galaxy, do people generally play the "experienced" 2 player variant (pick 2 actions a round) or normal? Most Race players play "experienced".
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May 5, 2017 03:23
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Cheen posted:Gimmie your feelings on Biblios I've played it twice 2p. I enjoyed it. I intend to play it again.
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Cheen posted:Gimmie your feelings on Biblios one of the absolute best filler games, for sure notable for one of the only games with an auction mechanism that really "works" at two players.
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Welp, played Riichi Mahjongg three nights in a row, and Big Two the first and third of those nights. Riichi remains one of my favorite rummy games; somehow it's incredibly relaxing for me, the feel of the tiles is divine in the same way as shogi or go face to face, and I will find it hard to produce many games I'd rather play with three likeminded and experienced players. Big Two, now, my wife grew up playing it with her family, but I'd only played it with her, 2-player, just playing hands and if you win it, great. It's the ladder game that Tichu was based on, basically. Here, she taught the other mah jongg players and we played 4-player, keeping track of points (cards left in your hand are negative, if you are left with at least 10 they're doubly negative, if you haven't played a card they're triply i.e. 39 negative points). Snappy as gently caress game, much faster than a comparable Tichu hand (no passing, a lot more singles can be played because you can play a single on the same number as long as the suit is higher, no counting up anything other than cards left in hand at the end), and more cutthroat. Really fun! Gonna try to get some of our tichu playing couple friends to try it.
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Thanks for the info on Biblos. Now, because I don't see it in the OP, what is BGC?
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May 5, 2017 05:27
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Board Game Core aka the place to play Food Chain Magnate online.
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I've had a couple asynchronous games going for awhile now and I honestly think they're pretty nice. I still suck horribly at the game itself, but it's not hard to play like that. Just take notes, is what I have learned from getting my two games mixed up far too often. I swear I'm gonna win this time, Professor Kink!
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May 5, 2017 11:58
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CEASE YOUR EFFORTS WHICH ARE USELESS
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Gonna get Forge War today and hopefully have time to play a solo round this evening. Anyone played it solo yet? Anything I need to be aware of?
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Selecta84 posted:Gonna get Forge War today and hopefully have time to play a solo round this evening. I suggest sleeving it, the card stock is dogshit. Otherwise I don't recall any weird hangups.
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