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my bony fealty posted:Context is important here, which doesn't make it any less stupid, but it wasn't really "loving disgusting" HappyHippo posted:Yes the democrats, who to a man voted against this, are really the bad guys here aren't they?
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HappyHippo posted:I'm talking about the singing by dems "looking bad," as the post I quoted was suggesting. People will care about healthcare, they won't care about some lawmakers singing Sha Na Na. This was probably not the time for Democrats to perform some dumb office in-joke that no-one outside their bubble "gets."
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May 4, 2017 20:15
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Typo posted:Hillary would have won the election if it were not for Obama->Trump vote flippers Those are the people that will really suffer. And probably never vote again. They voted Democrat and were screwed. Voted Republican and were screwed. "Screw the lot of them" they will say.
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Power Walrus posted:Wouldn't this be a good time for Democrats to start pushing Medicare for All? There's not really any choice, at this point. Democrats will not be campaigning on a return to the Affordable Care Act, and the insurance markets / healthcare system are destined to inevitably revert to the way it was pre-ACA (which was hated). Despite what Paul Ryan is saying, the AHCA will most assuredly NOT be the promised "Better Way" and Americans don't actually believe in a wild-west model of healthcare. Medicare-for-All is such a simple argument to make, too. You don't even to say those dreaded words, you just say 'Medicare Buy-In': "You pay X amount per month and you get the same insurance as your mom! It covers X, Y, and Z." Live in a place with no insurance plans? Buy into Medicare. Live in a place with terrible plans? Buy into Medicare. Emergency collapse of a market? Buy into Medicare. It doesn't even come across as a giveaway because people would pay premiums (which they're used to) instead of getting taxes out of their paychecks (which would be better but, you know, a tax). I realize that it's not that simple to change the financing of healthcare in this country but the messaging is fairly easy.
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Queering Wheel posted:Everyone who voted for this bill today is a murderer. I feel disgusted. All my life, we've been evil shitheads about our healthcare (read: each other's lives). After a long insane fight, we managed to slightly restrict and substantially subsidize said evil shithead-ery to take the edge off and it was to public benefit. We couldn't even hold on that.
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incoherent posted:RIP all those americans who will die slowly. As god intended. https://youtu.be/-usmvYOPfco
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Typo posted:if it passes the senate yeah ppl will care cuz there will be trump voters dying on tv to curable diseases and poo poo and that makes republicans look bad Assuming anything substantive actually passes both houses, I fully expect people who lose their coverage to be called liars by the right wing media.
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The passage of this bill and the dismantling of Obamacare is going to accelerate the political catastrophe that America is currently in. It's going to be uncharted territory.
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BarbarianElephant posted:This was probably not the time for Democrats to perform some dumb office in-joke that no-one outside their bubble "gets." No one outside the tiny minority that follows the minutia of politics like it's a soap opera (AKA us) will even be aware of this happening. And literally nobody will care in a year and a half.
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gohmak posted:I thought it was die quickly Addendums to be added later: For every one non-life threatening injury obtained with no health care that needs to be corrected the government will inject the person with AIDS.
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Speaking as a type 1 diabetic who basically has no chance at affordable healthcare without the AHCA due to needing constant medication to not die, gently caress every last republican who voted for this. If there was any justice in the world they would all be dying slowly and painfully from horrible diseases, forced to sell everything they own to try and stay alive.
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HappyHippo posted:No one outside the tiny minority that follows the minutia of politics like it's a soap opera (AKA us) will even be aware of this happening. And literally nobody will care in a year and a half. I suspect your racist grandma will make sure that this spreads on Facebook.
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BarbarianElephant posted:I suspect your racist grandma will make sure that this spreads on Facebook. racist grandmas have the most pre-existing conditions tho. best to accelerate their deaths...can't have the cannary alerting people.
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Asimo posted:Speaking as a type 1 diabetic who basically has no chance at affordable healthcare without the AHCA due to needing constant medication to not die, gently caress every last republican who voted for this. If there was any justice in the world they would all be dying slowly and painfully from horrible diseases, forced to sell everything they own to try and stay alive. Typo?
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incoherent posted:racist grandmas have the most pre-existing conditions tho. best to accelerate their deaths...can't have the cannary alerting people. yeah but they might have medicare it's racist fathers who are most at risk from this, because they don't yet have medicare
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axeil posted:Typo? 
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Asimo posted:Speaking as a type 1 diabetic who basically has no chance at affordable healthcare without the AHCA due to needing constant medication to not die, gently caress every last republican who voted for this. If there was any justice in the world they would all be dying slowly and painfully from horrible diseases, forced to sell everything they own to try and stay alive.  Yup. I just got financial assistance through Kaiser and I'm hoping to get back on an insulin pump. The guillotine would be too nice for the GOP.
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shoulda sucked it up and voted hillary rustbelt people
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Let's cheer up and have some fun with numbers! The estimate for the body count of the last version of Republicare was about 50,000 per year. While we don't have an analysis of this current bill yet, thanks to the Republicans ramming this through before a CBO analysis, let's assume for shits and giggles that that number still holds. 218 Republicans voted for this. 50,000 / 218 = ~229.3 Ted Bundy killed anywhere from 30-100 women. That puts each House Republican who voted for this at 2 to 7.6 Ted Bundy's per year. That said, Bundy was notoriously unreliable in his confessions; frankly, there's a good chance he genuinely forgot a few. We know Gacy killed 33-34 boys. That means each House Republican who voted for this, pending CBO analysis, of course, clocks in at ~7 Pogo's per year. Again, we don't have numbers for the version that just passed the House, because the GOP knew the CBO is going to point this out for the piece of poo poo it is. This is just a bit of fun to bring the kind of levity to this thread only a comparison the House Republicans who voted for this bill to two of America's most prolific serial rapists, killers, and necrophiliacs.
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evilweasel posted:yeah but they might have medicare The wokest post
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bawfuls posted:So is this shitheap going to pass the Senate or what? Probably not as is, but with Republicans in control of both groups some form of it is fairly inevitable
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bawfuls posted:So is this shitheap going to pass the Senate or what? Likely not, it seems. If it's even possible, it'd likely require substantial revisions.
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Typo posted:shoulda sucked it up and voted hillary rustbelt people I'm pretty sure those people won't blame the GOP for anything going wrong as long as there are dark-skinned and/or gay and/or Jewish people in this world.
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the way forward in terms of best to worst is as follows senate can't get 50 votes, ahca 2.0 fails senate rewrites bill to be less bad but still horrible, hands it back to house, HFC freaks out and sinks ahca 2.5 senate rewrites bill to be less bad but still horrible, hands it back to house, house passes it, trump signs it senate passes bill as is, trump signs it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmn9asN-8AE Zikan fucked around with this message at 21:04 on May 4, 2017 |
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Brony Car posted:I'm pretty sure those people won't blame the GOP for anything going wrong as long as there are dark-skinned and/or gay and/or Jewish people in this world. Don't forget abortions. If 10,000 born babies die or are orphaned but 1 baby is saved from being aborted, it will all have been worth it!
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I'd classify Democrats as "embarrassing" rather than disgusting.
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I've seen this getting shared around; maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can fact check it? "The bill was theater from the start. Immediately before the vote, the house inserted an amendment that would make the AHCA apply to members of Congress. Because this bill will affect Congress' pay and benefits, it is no longer considered budget reconciliation and can now be filibustered (meaning it will require 2/3rds vote in the senate to pass). That amendment was passed unanimously, with every 'yea' voter knowing it would die in the Senate. Republicans who voted for this bill did so knowing it will never make it into law, allowing them to seem as if they are trying to keep their 'repeal the ACA' pledge without having to reap the whirlwind of actually stripping healthcare from their constituents with the added benefit of being able to cast Senate democrats as obstructionist scapegoats"
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jivjov posted:I've seen this getting shared around; maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can fact check it? Not true at all. The bill to end the congressional exception was a separate bill, precisely so the Senate can filibuster it. And anything in the AHCA bill that violates reconciliation can get stripped out rather than making it automatically filibusterable. Also filibusters require 60 senators to break, not 2/3rds.
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evilweasel posted:Not true at all. Figured it was too good to be true. Thanks
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/senate-wont-vote-on-house-passed-healthcare-bill/article/2622152quote:Senate Republicans said Thursday they won't vote on the House-passed bill to repeal and replace Obamacare, but will write their own legislation instead. So, wait, did today's vote actually mean literally anything in practical terms?
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Spiritus Nox posted:http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/senate-wont-vote-on-house-passed-healthcare-bill/article/2622152 Yes. The Senate couldn't pass a reconciliation bill unless the House first passed something. If the House never passed a bill, the Senate couldn't ever pass their own and send it over. Now, they have a bill, and that means that even if they don't keep a single word of it they can hollow it out and send their own repeal back to the House. That's bad.
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evilweasel posted:Not true at all. The dems need to make sure that separate bill passes if the AHCA does. Make the republicans lie in their own bed.
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KillHour posted:The dems need to make sure that separate bill passes if the AHCA does. Make the republicans lie in their own bed. Why would they want to remove a powerful argument to make them unemployed instead of giving them them worse health insurance? The fact that they personally voted to fix that loophole is the sort of detail that doesn't really matter.
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evilweasel posted:Yes. The Senate couldn't pass a reconciliation bill unless the House first passed something. If the House never passed a bill, the Senate couldn't ever pass their own and send it over. Now, they have a bill, and that means that even if they don't keep a single word of it they can hollow it out and send their own repeal back to the House. That's bad. I see. And it being a reconciliation bill is important because it lowers the threshold to 50 votes rather than 60, correct?
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Spiritus Nox posted:I see. And it being a reconciliation bill is important because it lowers the threshold to 50 votes rather than 60, correct? Yes. 51 technically, but they'll win the tie because of Pence.
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evilweasel posted:Yes. The Senate couldn't pass a reconciliation bill unless the House first passed something. If the House never passed a bill, the Senate couldn't ever pass their own and send it over. Now, they have a bill, and that means that even if they don't keep a single word of it they can hollow it out and send their own repeal back to the House. That's bad. Bad but good. They only have until the end of May if they want to use reconciliation. Anything they craft needs to get scored and then sent back to the House. At which point the idiot circus starts all over again.
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Retro42 posted:Bad but good. They only have until the end of May if they want to use reconciliation. Anything they craft needs to get scored and then sent back to the House. At which point the idiot circus starts all over again. People keep saying this, but I haven't seen a source and Republican senators have said things today that indicate they don't see themselves as having any sort of deadline. What's the source on this? I can easily believe it's possible, but without seeing something definitive my concern is this is something else that has gotten telephoned into a deadline when its actually only something like "they have to do it by the end of this month if they want to keep to their previous tax cuts schedule", and they're perfectly fine punting tax cuts a few months or whatever.
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