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dispatch_async posted:http://www.zdnet.com/article/leaked-document-reveals-uk-plans-for-wider-internet-surveillance/ Uh-huh. Good luck with that. An example of a power that would be completely impracticable and unable to be implemented, but will probably waste a good billion pound worth of public spending.
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spectralent posted:Brian Cox, Prime Minister would be something to see. I have no idea what his policies are but it'd be nice to have someone not completely scientifically illiterate running things for a change.
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forkboy84 posted:Probably going to be having fewer MPs than at any point since 1935. The whole 'woe is me, Corbyn failed, I wish I'd voted for Yvette Cooper' bit is a perfect example of why the left never gets anywhere. Corbyn was always unlikely to push through to a shock victory, his job was to change the direction of Labour. And if the polls are to be believed he's actually getting similar numbers of votes to Ed Milliband but is on track to do much worse because of UKIP being totally absorbed by the Tories. I can't really think of an electoral strategy that would have prevented that. Once the GE is out of the way the next battle will become who leads the Labour party next. If you give your vote to someone like Cooper, or if you fail to vote, you can kiss goodbye to the 'one member one vote' scheme and democracy within the party will die forever. Is that what you want to happen?
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ukle posted:Better article on this on the reg : The document says that it applies to telecommunications operators (i.e. ISPs and the phone network providers), and obliges them to provide the means to: to remove any electronic protection applied by or on behalf of the telecommunications operator to the data. I'm not clear whether the encryption provided by e.g. WhatsApp falls under this category - WhatsApp (which I presume doesn't count as a "telecoms operator") doesn't have a relation with the telecoms operator, and its encryption is not provided "on their behalf". Further, even if it does fall within the "on behalf of" category, I can't see how the telecoms operators could even implement the obligation unless they end up obliged to install spyware on the phones themselves that read the messages before they are encrypted? Similarly, the encryption provided by a commercial VPN company is not done "on behalf of the telecoms operator", and how do you oblige e.g. a foreign company?
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spectralent posted:Brian Cox, Prime Minister would be something to see. I have no idea what his policies are but it'd be nice to have someone not completely scientifically illiterate running things for a change.
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I'm going to say it lads. The next parliamentary election result will really suck. A very hot take I know.
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Not sure what all the high emotion is for - last night's result has been on the cards for months. This is the natural consequence of having Jeremy Corbyn as leader. People do not want to vote for a party lead by him. June will be even worse.
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Ewan posted:I don't quite understand the leap to saying it makes end-to-end encryption by messaging apps (and e.g. VPNs) illegal. It also says: quote:"provide and maintain the capability to disclose, where practicable, the content of communications or secondary data in an intelligible form and to remove electronic protection applied by or on behalf of the telecommunications operator to the communications or data."
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WMain00 posted:An example of a power that would be completely impracticable and unable to be implemented, but will probably waste a good billion pound worth of public spending. Millions for spies, but not one penny for scroungers. Zephro posted:He'd replace PMQs with everyone sitting round a campfire in some remote desert staring wistfully into space
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Zephro posted:" where practicable " seems like a possible get-out clause... Except this suggestion is written by people who know less than nothing about the technology, so it's just going to end up like that 'draw a red line' skit.
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HJB posted:That's May for you. I prefer this one: God she looks prime-ministerial.
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Seems like a good showing for Labour in Bristol though, someone earlier said that the Tories were winning there which was a bit  . If the Tories could win in Bristol they probably could most places.E: Oh wait gently caress I went on local Twitter and they did win. What the hell you Bristol folks Private Speech fucked around with this message at 11:36 on May 5, 2017 |
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Ewan posted:I don't quite understand the leap to saying it makes end-to-end encryption by messaging apps (and e.g. VPNs) illegal. The definitions are here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/25/section/261/enacted A 'telecommunications operator' is defined as somebody who "offers or provides a telecommunications service to persons in the United Kingdom". And a "Telecommunications service" is defined as "any service that consists in the provision of access to, and of facilities for making use of, any telecommunication system". And a "Telecommunication system" is defined as "a system that exists for the purpose of facilitating the transmission of communications by any means involving the use of electrical or electromagnetic energy". I guess this rules out using homing pigeons
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Private Speech posted:I'm going to say it lads. I think the big difference will be turnout - people usually get out in bigger numbers for the GE which is good for Labour & the Lib Dems compared to the current round of locals. Unfortunately that's going to be an uphill battle considering that the Tories are energised while the left and the liberals are feeling pretty demoralised. Going to be very interesting to see what both parties can do with their record memberships and whether that can actually get people out to vote for the GE.
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jabby posted:The whole 'woe is me, Corbyn failed, I wish I'd voted for Yvette Cooper' bit is a perfect example of why the left never gets anywhere. gently caress off you disingenuous oval office, no where have I said I wished I voted for Yvette Cooper.
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Zephro posted:" where practicable " seems like a possible get-out clause...
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Private Speech posted:Seems like a good showing for Labour in Bristol though, someone earlier said that the Tories were winning there which was a bit
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dispatch_async posted:The definitions are here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/25/section/261/enacted I imagine their definition of 'barber' is part of the reason that all of them have huge hipster beards now.
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LemonDrizzle posted:The Tories won the West of England metro mayoralty (which covers Bristol), with Labour coming second and the Lib Dems third. I don't think there were any other council elections in Bristol. Yeah that's the one I meant. I know the rural parts are conservative, but still Private Speech fucked around with this message at 11:42 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 11:38
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Pissflaps posted:Not sure what all the high emotion is for - last night's result has been on the cards for months. I understand your need to repeat "I told you so" ad nauseum. Can you just assume we have all heard it as many time as you think we should, and move onto, maybe a different topic? It's just you seem like some sort of twitter spambot who has three stock phrases that are put into a Markov bot and repeat back anytime anyone speaks about politics ever. And the thread was infinitely more readable during your 48hour probation, as every topic didn't get steered by yourself into "CORBYNBAD". FFS give it a rest. We know things are poo poo already.
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MikeCrotch posted:I think the big difference will be turnout - people usually get out in bigger numbers for the GE which is good for Labour & the Lib Dems compared to the current round of locals. YouGov's historical analysis is that if similar local-into-general election periods are an indication, June will be much worse than today.
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Pissflaps posted:Not sure what all the high emotion is for - last night's result has been on the cards for months. You're gloating over electoral outcomes that are going to cause people to die. gently caress off. Or do you really think local government shifts like this are just like a different sports team winning a game?
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StoicFnord posted:I understand your need to repeat "I told you so" ad nauseum. Can you just assume we have all heard it as many time as you think we should, and move onto, maybe a different topic? lol you want to 'move on' from the election results haven't even finished being counted? But yes, I was right about Corbyn.
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Darth Walrus posted:You're gloating over electoral outcomes that are going to cause people to die. gently caress off. People who support Corbyn are causing people to die because they're taking away the centre left alternative to the Tory party. This is your fault.
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That's wild. Wonder how many seats they pick up on Glasgow City Council. They had just the one until yesterday.
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Private Speech posted:Yeah that's the one I meant. I know the rural parts are conservative, but still Pissflaps posted:Is there a breakdown of vote share as a percentage?
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Pissflaps posted:People who support Corbyn are causing people to die because they're taking away the centre left alternative to the Tory party. The other three candidates in the leadership contest supported austerity policies and welfare cuts that almost drove my brother to suicide. This isn't about ideological purity, this is about basic survival. Again, gently caress off.
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forkboy84 posted:gently caress off you disingenuous oval office, no where have I said I wished I voted for Yvette Cooper. forkboy84 posted:I voted for Corbyn on the basis that he'd reform the Labour Party to ensure the membership have a bigger say. He's not delivered. Not sure how long we can afford to wait and see if he'll finally get round to it. Sorry, you implied it.
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WMain00 posted:The Tories seem to be picking up apathetic or changed votes from Labours demise, particularly in heartlands of Labour. In Scotland it's slightly different. They are picking up votes from concerned union supporters, as the Tories have essentially set themselves out as the Union Party, a position Labour used to own for themselves. But Scottish Labour have been in disarray for at least a decade. It's complicated to go into the reasons why, it's not solely about the independence debate.
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forkboy84 posted:That's wild. Wonder how many seats they pick up on Glasgow City Council. They had just the one until yesterday. how many balustrades are there in the council building, who knows they may finally achieve a 1:1 balustrade/dickhead with a flag ratio  e: oh no i had a look on google, there's like thirty of the fuckers, the council flag wars will not be won yet
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Pissflaps posted:People who support Corbyn are causing people to die because they're taking away the centre left alternative to the Tory party. This is the stupidest thing you've ever written. E: In this thread.
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jabby posted:Sorry, you implied it. No I didn't. I'd never vote for Yvette Cooper. I don't know how many more times I need to say "extra-parliamentary route to socialism" in this thread before you & the fellow Corbyn fanatics (but mainly you in fairness) stop painting everyone who thinks Corbyn has done a poo poo job as wanting Labour to support a centrist party. Angepain posted:how many balustrades are there in the council building, who knows they may finally achieve a 1:1 balustrade/dickhead with a flag ratio Recently found out he's married to dodgy Nat Natalie McGarry. Also, he's a total penis.
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forkboy84 posted:In Scotland it's slightly different. They are picking up votes from concerned union supporters, as the Tories have essentially set themselves out as the Union Party, a position Labour used to own for themselves. But Scottish Labour have been in disarray for at least a decade. It's complicated to go into the reasons why, it's not solely about the independence debate. True and it's not helped that council based voting in Scotland has always been very complicated.
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Pissflaps posted:People who support Corbyn are causing people to die because they're taking away the centre left alternative to the Tory party. Go feed somewhere else Tory dickhead.
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forkboy84 posted:No I didn't. I'd never vote for Yvette Cooper. What are you doing to help make an extra-parlimentary route to socialism happen any time soon? If it seemed like a realistic prospect I'd love to get involved. In the meantime if you don't want to be considered as someone who'd prefer Yvette Cooper in charge maybe you shouldn't post stuff about how at least Yvette Cooper would have the support of the PLP? Just a thought.
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Praseodymi posted:This is the stupidest thing you've ever written. It's a fact. Corbyn guarantees Tory electoral success.
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